[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Can you avoid blaspheming on Our Lady? Since we are in the period of the year where there are celebrations in her honour right here in every part of the world that has a Catholic Church.

WHAT?? And refuse to follow the lead of our beloved Jesus Christ?? Please get on your knees and ask for forgiveness.

[Romeo Rovagnati]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Can you avoid blaspheming on Our Lady? Since we are in the period of the year where there are celebrations in her honour right here in every part of the world that has a Catholic Church.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

I thought Jesus loves everybody and can't hate. I guess you learn something new everyday

Dear sinner,

Jesus can do everything as He is Omnipotent (Revelation 19:6), because is a Manifestation on One God (John 10:30). Sometimes God chooses to hate a person He Created.

Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

You show great promise. Most of our visitors never ever reach the stage where they see that their preconceptions have failed them. Most cling to the indoctrination and anecdotes they've heard and never actually go to the one and only original source, the Bible, to learn about Jesus! Christ is unhappy with the state of the World and He'll soon show the unbelievers some serious emotions.

Revelation 6:16
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

He is the Lamb, too. His Hate is infinite and His Love towards those who have chosen Him (that is us) is also infinite.

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Lolcatzt]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

I thought Jesus loves everybody and can't hate. I guess you learn something new everyday

[Callisto]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

"Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?"

I don't know. Is there any sort of metric that could tell us how much Jesus hated my mother? If I don't know how much he hated my mother, I don't know if I hate her as much.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

And if my neighbour is my mother? An evident contradiction (another one from the Bible!).

Dear friend,

You're obviously trying to nitpick our Brother's reply but you cannot trick the Bible so easily.

Matthew 19:19
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This tells us to honor, not to 'love' our progenitors and to love our neighbors as much as we love ourselves. How much is there to love in ourselves?

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

On an even more serious note, you might consider reading a beautiful sermon by one of our pastors!




Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

And if my neighbour is my mother? An evident contradiction (another one from the Bible!).

There are no contradictions in the Holy Bible, dear. You might find Pastor's sermon helpful: Bible Answers: Who are our neighbors? Who are our brothers and sisters? Who are we to love?

[refridgerator]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

I tend to think you are from South America. In that case, you capacities are not diminished, they were never there.


Once you have that clear, you can rejoice in knowing you have a chance! Read the Bible, become a True Christian and hate your mother, your father, your kids, your country, your race!


Love your neighbors, though.

And if my neighbour is my mother? An evident contradiction (another one from the Bible!).

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Thank you for you aclaration professor. I got used to be refuted for you, and telling the truth, I enjoy it.

I only feel a little diminished in my intellectual capacities.

I tend to think you are from South America. In that case, you capacities are not diminished, they were never there.


Once you have that clear, you can rejoice in knowing you have a chance! Read the Bible, become a True Christian and hate your mother, your father, your kids, your country, your race!


Love your neighbors, though.

[refridgerator]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Dear sinner,

Let us go through this with Biblical Skepticism. It is the method that Creation Science uses when it encounters allegations that seem to be too good to be True™. Unfortunately, secular science has hijacked this method and, thus, it has become less and less popular among Bible Students. Are there data that do not yield support for your claim and, if there are, are they of such importance that your hypothesis should be dismissed?

The verse in question:
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

• Your hypothesis: "Hate" means "love less".

As silly as it may seem, we have to turn to Greek here. Before American became the most important vernacular on Earth, God used Greek to communicate His Will. The word we're examining is μισέω. It occurs about 40 times in the New Testament and more in the LXX.

The root is a substantive μῖσος ("hate, hatred"). Let us see how this fits the verse we're about to discuss:
Hypothetical Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and love not his father less, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρός με καὶ οὐ μισεῖ [active indicative present, third person singular] τὸν πατέρα αὐτοῦ καὶ τὴν μητέρα καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα καὶ τὰ τέκνα καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς καὶ τὰς ἀδελφάς, ἔτι τε καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἑαυτοῦ, οὐ δύναται εἶναί μου μαθητής.)

Less than what? Less than previously? It does not state "less than Jesus". Would God have been so ambiguous? Your claim is charming and alluring as it demands less from us than total obedience to Jesus would. Your version makes the verse extremely complicated and messy requiring thousands of pages of commantaries - which is exactly what the false Churches want to do. Next, we examine how well this alternative translation of yours fits some other occurrences of the verb μισέω.

Hebrews 1:9
Thou [referring to God] hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην καὶ ἐμίσησας [aorist active indicative, second person singular] ἀνομίαν· διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε, ὁ Θεός, ὁ Θεός σου ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου.)

Here we have an actual comparison between two things, so grammatically we can use your suggestion here better than in the Luke example. Let us see:

Hypothetical Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and loved iniquity less; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

No way! This would mean that God loves righteousness but He also loves iniquity (lawlessness) - He just loves iniquity less but still holds it dear. Perhaps the Gospels will save your hypothesis? Everyone loves John 3:16. That chapter also contains an example that we can examine.

John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (πᾶς γὰρ ὁ φαῦλα πράσσων μισεῖ [present active indicative, first person singular] τὸ φῶς καὶ οὐκ ἔρχεται πρὸς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα μὴ ἐλεγχθῇ τὰ ἔργα αὐτοῦ·)

Light, obviously, is Jesus (John 1:4).

Hypothetical John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil loveth the light less, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

This is exactly what the false prophets (i.e., false Christian teachers) would like us to hear (Matthew 7:15)! Now we can see that we have reached the roots of this "alternative translation". This verse in its hypothetical form would tell us that the evil-doers actually love Jesus but they only love Him slightly less than regular Christians™. This is the doctrine that everyone "gets into Heaven" with some light entertaining Repentance followed by more evil-doing as "they love Jesus in their own way". This is the doctrine that makes the Bible unnecessary by distorting its message deliberately.

Finally, we can look at the LXX to see how well your suggestion fits the OT.

Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate. (καὶ ἀπέστειλα πρὸς ὑμᾶς τοὺς παῖδάς μου τοὺς προφήτας ὄρθρου καὶ ἀπέστειλα λέγων μὴ ποιήσητε τὸ πρᾶγμα τῆς μολύνσεως ταύτης ἧς ἐμίσησα [active indicative aorist, first person singular])

And the hypothetical Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I love less.

This section begins by quoting God, so it is God speaking in verse Jeremiah 44:4. This would mean that God loves the abominable things but just less than nice things. While Isaiah 45:7 yields some support to this view, it is still a bit far-fetched, isn't it? Please keep in mind also that the translators of LXX used their own living vernacular to choose the suitable words for the Hebrew vocabulary, Hebrew that was not any more actively spoken at the time but that still was connected by an unbroken line to the days when Moses wrote down God's original musings.

Conclusions:

• Your hypothesis of replacing "hate" with "loving less" thus hits insurmountable contradictions and obstacles. It is best that we dismiss it. Jesus really requires a lot from us. He wants us to hate our siblings and progenitors and spouses. On the other hand, why should the VIP pass to Heaven's Backstage come cheap?
• Your catechism classes fail. The actual Bible takes precedence. This is what Skeptical Creation Science is all about! Examine your most beloved ideas against the evidence of the actual Bible and you'll be surprised.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Thank you for you aclaration professor. I got used to be refuted for you, and telling the truth, I enjoy it.

I only feel a little diminished in my intellectual capacities.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.

Dear sinner,

Let us go through this with Biblical Skepticism. It is the method that Creation Science uses when it encounters allegations that seem to be too good to be True™. Unfortunately, secular science has hijacked this method and, thus, it has become less and less popular among Bible Students. Are there data that do not yield support for your claim and, if there are, are they of such importance that your hypothesis should be dismissed?

The verse in question:
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

• Your hypothesis: "Hate" means "love less".

As silly as it may seem, we have to turn to Greek here. Before American became the most important vernacular on Earth, God used Greek to communicate His Will. The word we're examining is μισέω. It occurs about 40 times in the New Testament and more in the LXX.

The root is a substantive μῖσος ("hate, hatred"). Let us see how this fits the verse we're about to discuss:
Hypothetical Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and love not his father less, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρός με καὶ οὐ μισεῖ [active indicative present, third person singular] τὸν πατέρα αὐτοῦ καὶ τὴν μητέρα καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα καὶ τὰ τέκνα καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς καὶ τὰς ἀδελφάς, ἔτι τε καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἑαυτοῦ, οὐ δύναται εἶναί μου μαθητής.)

Less than what? Less than previously? It does not state "less than Jesus". Would God have been so ambiguous? Your claim is charming and alluring as it demands less from us than total obedience to Jesus would. Your version makes the verse extremely complicated and messy requiring thousands of pages of commantaries - which is exactly what the false Churches want to do. Next, we examine how well this alternative translation of yours fits some other occurrences of the verb μισέω.

Hebrews 1:9
Thou [referring to God] hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην καὶ ἐμίσησας [aorist active indicative, second person singular] ἀνομίαν· διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε, ὁ Θεός, ὁ Θεός σου ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου.)

Here we have an actual comparison between two things, so grammatically we can use your suggestion here better than in the Luke example. Let us see:

Hypothetical Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and loved iniquity less; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

No way! This would mean that God loves righteousness but He also loves iniquity (lawlessness) - He just loves iniquity less but still holds it dear. Perhaps the Gospels will save your hypothesis? Everyone loves John 3:16. That chapter also contains an example that we can examine.

John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (πᾶς γὰρ ὁ φαῦλα πράσσων μισεῖ [present active indicative, first person singular] τὸ φῶς καὶ οὐκ ἔρχεται πρὸς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα μὴ ἐλεγχθῇ τὰ ἔργα αὐτοῦ·)

Light, obviously, is Jesus (John 1:4).

Hypothetical John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil loveth the light less, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

This is exactly what the false prophets (i.e., false Christian teachers) would like us to hear (Matthew 7:15)! Now we can see that we have reached the roots of this "alternative translation". This verse in its hypothetical form would tell us that the evil-doers actually love Jesus but they only love Him slightly less than regular Christians™. This is the doctrine that everyone "gets into Heaven" with some light entertaining Repentance followed by more evil-doing as "they love Jesus in their own way". This is the doctrine that makes the Bible unnecessary by distorting its message deliberately.

Finally, we can look at the LXX to see how well your suggestion fits the OT.

Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate. (καὶ ἀπέστειλα πρὸς ὑμᾶς τοὺς παῖδάς μου τοὺς προφήτας ὄρθρου καὶ ἀπέστειλα λέγων μὴ ποιήσητε τὸ πρᾶγμα τῆς μολύνσεως ταύτης ἧς ἐμίσησα [active indicative aorist, first person singular])

And the hypothetical Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I love less.

This section begins by quoting God, so it is God speaking in verse Jeremiah 44:4. This would mean that God loves the abominable things but just less than nice things. While Isaiah 45:7 yields some support to this view, it is still a bit far-fetched, isn't it? Please keep in mind also that the translators of LXX used their own living vernacular to choose the suitable words for the Hebrew vocabulary, Hebrew that was not any more actively spoken at the time but that still was connected by an unbroken line to the days when Moses wrote down God's original musings.

Conclusions:

• Your hypothesis of replacing "hate" with "loving less" thus hits insurmountable contradictions and obstacles. It is best that we dismiss it. Jesus really requires a lot from us. He wants us to hate our siblings and progenitors and spouses. On the other hand, why should the VIP pass to Heaven's Backstage come cheap?
• Your catechism classes fail. The actual Bible takes precedence. This is what Skeptical Creation Science is all about! Examine your most beloved ideas against the evidence of the actual Bible and you'll be surprised.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[GreekFreedom]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.

Pray tell, where did you learn this false doctrine? From the idolatrous Catholic "Church" that has such shameful lust for Jesus' mother? I'm not surprised.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.

Yes, of course! Words mean what your priest tells you they mean.





P.S. it's called "catechism" in English.

[refridgerator]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.

[Jim Farmer]

Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did?

Brother Farmer handled this atrocious holiday very well. I on the other hand am concerned that I may have sent my mother an email which, while full of hatred, was a bit too long. This leaves open the possibility that she may have derived some pleasure from the time spent reminiscing about her estranged child. What can I do to ensure that my mother knows I have nothing but hatred for her, in accordance with the precepts of Christ?

Brother Billy Bob, I don't think it matters. Do you care how she feels? Of course not. Her sadness or joy is irrelevant.