[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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This must be the biggest misconception there is as a child that is just born can hardly be held responsible for actions he/she has not undertaken yet.

Well then let us be thankful that you don't run the Universe. The Lord knows every sin that will be committed by the little bundle of Satan, and must Justly(tm) punish that child for every pre-committed sin that he or she would eventually execute. Our human minds have a hard time conceiving of being totally just because babies are just so cute, but what we don't see is the stain of sin upon them that the Lord sees, and that is what counts.

Why should an infant have to carry the burden of the wrong doings of someone that has long gone?

As it was pointed out to you--I didn't make the rules, I just follow them! The Lord has a penchant for executing justice to the following generations of sin(Deuteronomy 23:2, 1 Samuel 3:12-13, Isaiah 14:21, just for starters). In fact, we are still paying for Adam's sin, after approximately 6,000 years!

[Teflon©]

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Do I have to drink from the sewer to have an idea of what's down there?

If you want to fight a war then you have to know what you are up against.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Fighting believes like Satanisme and not have read books like that of Lavey is like fighting Nazisme without having read Mein Kampf or fighting Communisme without knowing the work of Marx.

Do I have to drink from the sewer to have an idea of what's down there?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Fighting believes like Satanisme and not have read books like that of Lavey is like fighting Nazisme without having read Mein Kampf or fighting Communisme without knowing the work of Marx.

So we have to read Hitler's ranting to be against genocide not authorized by God? Um, no.

So we have to read Karl Marx's insane, pro-equality nonsense to be against the stealing of private property by the state? Um, no.

There is no need to fill our brains with any of that filth.

[Talitha]

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fighting Communisme without knowing the work of Marx.

What's a Jewish Comedian got to do with it?
He may have made 15 Films with his brothers, but I bet he's not laughing now he's joined them all in Hell.

[Teflon©]

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Because God said so, and God makes the rules, silly girl!

Miss Taser, if you're going to become an anti-Christian, couldn't you find a better role model than the high-school educated (if that) Antoinette LaVatory?

I mean, come on. Antoinette wrote that drivel at a 5th-grade level, knowing her audience.

Maybe the name is a little confusing but I'm a male. (Tessar is the name of a 4-element lens)

I can hardly call Lavey a role model but that does not mean one can't read his writings. Sure, not all what he wrote was sane or true but some aspects of what he wrote were certainly true and still apply today. It's for the reader to decide what is good or bad when he reads suchs a book. Fighting believes like Satanisme and not have read books like that of Lavey is like fighting Nazisme without having read Mein Kampf or fighting Communisme without knowing the work of Marx.

[JennyD]

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This must be the biggest misconception there is as a child that is just born can hardly be held responsible for actions he/she has not undertaken yet. Why should an infant have to carry the burden of the wrong doings of someone that has long gone?

Because God said so, and God makes the rules, silly girl!

As far as this goes I can see what LaVatory meant with the fact that Christianity wants to give the people a feeling of guilt were none should be (I've read LaVatory because one must see both sides, even if he or she isn't going to follow the other path).

Miss Taser, if you're going to become an anti-Christian, couldn't you find a better role model than the high-school educated (if that) Antoinette LaVatory?

I mean, come on. Antoinette wrote that drivel at a 5th-grade level, knowing her audience.

[Teflon©]

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Dr. Ville didn't write the Bible; he just follows it. If you have an issue, take it up with the Almighty.

A fair comment Pastor Isaac but it will (hopefully) still take a few years when I can address Him these thoughts in person.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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This must be the biggest misconception there is as a child that is just born can hardly be held responsible for actions he/she has not undertaken yet. Why should an infant have to carry the burden of the wrong doings of someone that has long gone? As far as this goes I can see what Lavey meant with the fact that Christianity wants to give the people a feeling of guilt were none should be (I've read Lavey because one must see both sides, even if he or she isn't going to follow the other path).

Dr. Ville didn't write the Bible; he just follows it. If you have an issue, take it up with the Almighty.

[Teflon©]

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All babies are born in sin, with the stain of Adam upon them. Therefore a 1 minute/hour/day/year old is just as responsible for their sin as a 30 year old. Every baby is born into the world loathing Jesus Christ--they are the initial atheists. Only when one is grown with an adult mind can one truly comprehend the Saving Grace™ of God and repent of the sin they were created with.

This must be the biggest misconception there is as a child that is just born can hardly be held responsible for actions he/she has not undertaken yet. Why should an infant have to carry the burden of the wrong doings of someone that has long gone? As far as this goes I can see what Lavey meant with the fact that Christianity wants to give the people a feeling of guilt were none should be (I've read Lavey because one must see both sides, even if he or she isn't going to follow the other path).

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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This topic gave me some thoughts.

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At what age is a child responsible for it's sin? A 3 year old can indeed sin but at what level is this child responsible for this? It's hard to figure out at what age a child can effectively tell good apart from evil. Can a child be held responsible for a sin he has seen from it's parents or is he/she automatically responsible?

Well, let us check the answer key, shall we (sorry, just a little joke for the other academics here)? Here's the Bible's answer:

5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

3The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

All babies are born in sin, with the stain of Adam upon them. Therefore a 1 minute/hour/day/year old is just as responsible for their sin as a 30 year old. Every baby is born into the world loathing Jesus Christ--they are the initial atheists. Only when one is grown with an adult mind can one truly comprehend the Saving Grace(tm) of God and repent of the sin they were created with.

In my view I think that children are not automatically responsible for the sins they commit as much of these sins have been learned from the parents, so these parents should be the ones who are responsible as the child could not have known at that age that he/she was committing a sin.

Well here is where you go wrong, friend. Your view doesn't count. The eternal Justice(tm) of God is what counts! I suggest you spend less time trying to figure out your own worldly judgments and more time understanding God's so you don't have to face eternal damnation. Unless you plan on creating your OWN universe without Him

[Teflon©]

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This topic gave me some thoughts. At what age is a child responsible for it's sin? A 3 year old can indeed sin but at what level is this child responsible for this? It's hard to figure out at what age a child can effectively tell good apart from evil. Can a child be held responsible for a sin he has seen from it's parents or is he/she automatically responsible? In my view I think that children are not automatically responsible for the sins they commit as much of these sins have been learned from the parents, so these parents should be the ones who are responsible as the child could not have known at that age that he/she was committing a sin. At the end however this will remain a difficult area because it will be hard to determine when a child is absolutely able to tell apart good and bad by himself without interference of the parents.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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That's why so many parents are glad to be Catholic-because we baptize babies there!

So if a baby is baptized and dies later that day, that means (s)he is going to heaven!

Beat THAT, heretic fags! (when I say "fags" here, I do not mean homosexuals, I mean firewood for burning at the stake-man, sometimes I miss the Inquisition!)

I’m always surprised about this aspect of your money-grubbing business conglomerate:

Let us take 2 examples:

1. A new born baby is brought to you for baptism by his parents. (Bear in mind that, prior to baptism, the child is not part of any church.)

2. A drunken adult atheist wanders in off the street with his sober parents and asks for baptism.

Do you happily perform both or do you “sympathize” with the atheist and tell him to come back when sober and try and teach him a few things before baptizing him?

I ask because both would seem to have about the same capacity and willingness to understand and consent to baptism and all its responsibilities.

Oh, just a minute, I’ve found a catlick answer, “While an adult can be baptized after proper instruction in the Faith, adult baptism normally occurs today as part of the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults (RCIA) and is immediately followed by Confirmation and Communion.”

So, one requires no consent or understanding, and the other does.



Typical anti-Christ logic “Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Alice in Wonderland.

[Pitiful Pussy]

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I didn't say everyone was equal. Would you stop with the equality crap. I'm sorry but if you're little speech about any sin being as bad as any other sin is true then that's just retarded. How can stealing a cookie be as bad as raping someone? That's just messed up mate.

Then again, I'd rather be equal in hell to a mass murdering rapist cookie stealer than to be beneath any of you, figuratively or literally.

Are you insane!?

Of course the Lord frowns upon all sin equally! The root of evil is especially strong in children! So they need to be disciplined!

Good child rearing involves making children feel just how evil they are. Then they can be molded into Good Christians...

[Brother J.H.]

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That's why so many parents are glad to be Catholic-because we baptize babies there!

So if a baby is baptized and dies later that day, that means (s)he is going to heaven!

Beat THAT, heretic fags! (when I say "fags" here, I do not mean homosexuals, I mean firewood for burning at the stake-man, sometimes I miss the Inquisition!)

Sorry Father Tommy,

You must ACCEPT Jesus as your Lord and Personal Saviour for yourself. We don't baptise babies OR the dead. And nowhere in the Bible does it say to either.