[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

The topic of the thread is "Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?", not "Hey... can at least my children refer to me as father?".

You may be able to get less seasoned debaters to debate rather or not the sky is sky blue or spinach green, but I'm not going to. Just as the sky is blue the Bible says what it says. Case closed. The use of the word "father" is hardly the biggest nail in the coffin that holds to the idea that catholics are anything more than pagan cultist.

If I was a member of a false church of pedophile lovers I'd want to keep the focus on something as relatively harmless as rather or not a 10 year old can call his daddy father too. What defense could you possibly have in favor of it being OK for a priest to insert his tallywhacker into said 10 year old and continued support for Darth Ratzinger who actively protects them? You're not the first catholic, and I doubt you'll be the last, who has tried to weasel their way out of the subject. Because your support of said pope makes you just as guilty and also blasphemes Jesus by your assertion that a pedophile supporter is God's vicar. The "tithes" of catholics go to paying off hush money, relocating boy rapists and destroying evidence. You catholics are one sick bunch.

Remy Remy Remy...

Yes. That is the title of this thread, good job!

However, when I asked this question i was directed to a thread listing all the reasons why the Catholics are a Cult.

We started from the top, "Call no man father", and that Remy, is our current topic. If you have nothing to say on the matter, wait your turn and I'm sure pedophila (Which you seems to just LOVE talking about) will come up eventually.

Until then, Peace

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

This question has already been masterfully answered here, papist.

If you look at the verses around it, you will understand the meaning.

Jesus here, is talking to the people about the scribes and pharisees. They were people who followed the law, but didn't really love the law. They did it, not for the love of God, but to be recognized by people. Those pharisees and scribes worked to attain a holy title, but did nothing truly holy to get it. (Think faith without works is dead... but in reverse)

5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

They do everything, not for God's glory, but for getting recognition from other people.

In verse 8, Jesus said to call no one a rabbi.
In verse 9, Jesus said to call no one father.
In verse 10, Jesus said to call no one master.

In reading the context, you see that father is a religious title, just as rabbi and master. Think of the catholics, as they have their people call the priests father.

Father (as in daddy) is fine. Father (as in priest) is bad.

Jesus was saying to the people, that the people who were in religious authority at the time, were not men of God. They may have earned the title, but they didn't deserve it.

Hope this helps.

YIC
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Well first of all, your claim is that priests have no right to claim the religious title. You compare them to the pharisees, which I had stated and can be found in accord with the above post, which were full of pride and enjoyed their superiority, while having little merit to the title.

We seem to agree that Jesus did not want the Apostles to mirror the Pharisees in any way shape or form. And that seems to be the underlying motive of the commandment, wouldn't you agree?

However, Roman Catholic Priests are wholeheartedly devoted to God. They are willing to give up marriage and a family for it (More than any preacher here can say). The priesthood is not a career like a "pastor" it is a way of life, full of sacrifice.

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Remy Remy Remy...

Yes. That is the title of this thread, good job!

However, when I asked this question i was directed to a thread listing all the reasons why the Catholics are a Cult.

We started from the top, "Call no man father", and that Remy, is our current topic. If you have nothing to say on the matter, wait your turn and I'm sure pedophila (Which you seems to just LOVE talking about) will come up eventually.

Until then, Peace

The Bible says that your priest shouldn't be referred to as "father". There is nothing to debate AND YOU KNOW IT.

That's right, papist. Tuck tail and run. I should ban you right now.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

The Bible says that your priest shouldn't be referred to as "father". There is nothing to debate AND YOU KNOW IT.

That's right, papist. Tuck tail and run. I should ban you right now.

All it seems to me is that you, sir, have nothing to debate.

I have already shown why this passage cannot be taken literally.

You have not addressed any of it.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Well first of all, your claim is that priests have no right to claim the religious title. You compare them to the pharisees, which I had stated and can be found in accord with the above post, which were full of pride and enjoyed their superiority, while having little merit to the title.

Like catlick priests?

We seem to agree that Jesus did not want the Apostles to mirror the Pharisees in any way shape or form. And that seems to be the underlying motive of the commandment, wouldn't you agree?

No, he is telling all of us to not be like pharisees. Call no religious figure father. Simple black and white.

However, Roman Catholic Priests are wholeheartedly devoted to God. They are willing to give up marriage and a family for it (More than any preacher here can say).

Speaking of Apostles, they were married. Your bishops don't marry even though the Word says they should be.

The priesthood is not a career like a "pastor" it is a way of life, full of sacrifice.

And buggery.

[Ugly_Kid_Joe]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

I have already shown why this passage cannot be taken literally.

Are you doubting the word of God?
Do you really think God would put something in the Bible just for fun and without meaning it?

See, this is why your religion has nothing to do with Christianity!
And a priest only gives up his marriage so he can toy with the choir boys...

Pick up a KJV now and get Saved! Rid yourself of the catholic way and it's demonic brainwashing.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Like catlick priests?

Alright, I'll take your bait. Catholic Priests are not prideful. Why do you think so? What action do priests perform that you might call in likeness to the Pharisees?

No, he is telling all of us to not be like pharisees. Call no religious figure father. Simple black and white.

Since you seem to have cleverly overlooked my previous post, I'll post it again

"The problem with your interpretation of:
"But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8–10).

Is that although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term "teacher," in Matthew 28:19–20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching

Way to go! You Baptists have created yourself a biblical contradiction!

This passage simply cannot be taken in the literal baptist interpretation. Or else the bible is reduced to nonsense.

Jesus HAD to be speaking hyperbole. For elsewhere in the bible, as i have pointed out, he established the apostles as teachers, which in your interpretation, he just forbid!" them to observe all that I have commanded you." Paul speaks of his commission as a teacher: "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7); "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11). He also reminds us that the Church has an office of teacher: "God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28); and "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11). There is no doubt that Paul was not violating Christ’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to others as "teachers."

Speaking of Apostles, they were married. Your bishops don't marry even though the Word says they should be.

Chastity is praised in the Bible.

Proverbs 22:11 - "The LORD loves the pure of heart"
Wisdom 3:13 - "blessed is she who ... knew not the transgression of the marriage bed"
Wisdom 4:1 - "Better is childlessness with virtue"

Chastity, Virginity held in high esteem

Matthew 19:10-12 - (Jesus specifies only some are called to this vocation)
1 Corinthians 7:8-9 - (Paul says the unmarried and widow should stay as they are)
1 Corinthians 7:32-35 - (Married are anxious about their spouses; unmarried/virgins are free to focus on God)
Revelation 14:4 - "they are virgins and these are the ones who follow the Lamb"

Chastity, Virginity preferable to marriage

Psalms 45:15 - "In embroidered apparel she is led to the king"
Matthew 22:30 - "at the resurrection they are neither married nor are given in marriage"
Titus 2:4-5 - "train younger women ... to be ... chaste"

Better for ministry

Matthew 19:12 - "some ... have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom"
1 Corinthians 7:25-28 - (St. Paul recommends virginity/single life in ministry work.)

Recommended to ministers of the Church

1 Timothy 3:2 - "bishop must be ... married only once"
1 Timothy 3:8 - "deacons must be dignified"

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Are you doubting the word of God?
Do you really think God would put something in the Bible just for fun and without meaning it?

No, I doubt nothing, but I understand. This passage was not put here "for fun", rather he spoke in hyperbole which he used often, for example when he declared, "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell" (Matt. 5:29, cf. 18:9; Mark 9:47). Christ certainly did not intend this to be applied literally, for otherwise all Christians would be blind amputees! (cf. 1 John 1:8; 1 Tim. 1:15). We are all subject to "the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" (1 John 2:16).

[Levi Jones]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Alright, I'll take your bait. Catholic Priests are not prideful. Why do you think so? What action do priests perform that you might call in likeness to the Pharisees?

Catlick priests have thousands of years long tradition of debauchery and buggery. The higher up you go into the organization, the worse it gets.

JPII tried to right the ship, but he jumped the shark with getting cozy with the Christ killers and mudslimes.

Since you seem to have cleverly overlooked my previous post, I'll post it again

"The problem with your interpretation of:
"But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8–10).

I'm fairly sure you are about to get a basket of infractions for posting from the wrong bible, but I can never be sure about these things.

It has already been demonstrated to you repeatedly that this verse is to be taken literally.

It's okay. You aren't the first and you won't be the last catlick to have your hind end handed to you here.

Is that although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term "teacher," in Matthew 28:19–20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching

Silly catlick, a disciple is a student. Not a teacher. Maybe you should do a little more research before coming in here with your lies.

Way to go! You catlicks have created yourself a biblical contradiction!

Fixed and,.
Your nonsense has been ripped apart again! Praise!

catlicks.com copy plagiarism deleted.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Catlick priests have thousands of years long tradition of debauchery and buggery. The higher up you go into the organization, the worse it gets.

JPII tried to right the ship, but he jumped the shark with getting cozy with the Christ killers and mudslimes.

You're good at avoiding questions. I'll ask again.

What action do priests perform that you might call in likeness to the Pharisees?

And why don't you provide a historical or biblical reference while you're at it?

Silly catlick, a disciple is a student. Not a teacher. Maybe you should do a little more research before coming in here with your lies.

If you interpret Matt. 23:8–10 literally, teachers are also forbidden for we have but one teacher. It cannot be taken literally as 5 chapters later Jesus establishes the Apostles as teachers:

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." (Matthew 28:19-20)
Now. What was your point again? Or would you like to continue to demonstrate your inability to read?

Originally Posted by Sacred Heart

catlicks.com copy plagiarism deleted.

You know what is most amusing here? That these were not from Catholic.com. Rather, these were direct quotes from Holy Scripture which you deleted because you are too scared to face the Truth!! Now that's funny!!

[WWJDnow]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

"You must all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ follows the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" (Epistle to the Smyrnaeans 8, Ignatius of Antioch).

Well, now we know where the Catholic practice of just letting your priest fuck you without saying a word to anyone originated.

You probably groaned when you read that name huh?

No, I laughed.

There is no other record of an early Church than the Catholic Church.

Try reading Acts of the Apostles--it doesn't mention Catholicism even once. Oh, I forgot, you Catholics aren't allowed to read the Bible.

You will find no writings alluding to a Church practicing Sola Scriptura or faith alone or Personal Lord and Saviour, bc they simply did not exist until Martin Luther.

Once again, you would find exactly that if you read Acts.

You see, to properly understand the nature of Jesus' commandment, you must understand the nature of the Pharisees. They exhibited themselves as far superior to the little jews that worshiped around them, and one way of exhibiting themselves so was through the use of these various titles. Jesus does not want the leaders of His Church to model themselves after the Pharisees. He wants them to be humble, and that is the intention BEHIND the commandment.

I agree with everything you just said. Now, there's someone I'd like you to meet:

Allow me to introduce you to His Holiness Benedryl XVI, Holy Father, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Pontifex Maximus, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City, Servus Servonum Dei, Pope.

This is clearly seen in Matthew 23:12 "Whoever exalts himself will be humbled; but whoever humbles himself will be exalted." This teaching of humility is further taught in Luke in the parallel verse 14:11 "For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."

I couldn't agree with you more.

I was just getting started

Me, too. I left out a few titles for your exalted Pope.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

You know what is most amusing here? That these were not from Catholic.com. Rather, these were direct quotes from Holy Scripture which you deleted because you are too scared to face the Truth!! Now that's funny!!

Yes Levi, how could you make such a foolish mistake? It wasn't from catholic.com, it was from ASKACATHOLIC.COM

http://www.askacatholic.com/holyquotes/documents/_all_catholic_verses.htm#Chastity

Are you going to confess this plagiarism to your priest?

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

All it seems to me is that you, sir, have nothing to debate.

I have already shown why this passage cannot be taken literally.

You have not addressed any of it.

Let's see...

I explained to you that our faith is not an offshot of your cult.

I explained to you why catholics are not Christians.

You have no counter argument.

I guess there is no debate because apparently you already lost. Therefore, there is no reason for you to post anymore as you've already admitted defeat by your lack of any counter argument.

I must say, you were the easiest opponent I have ever had to deal with.

This passage simply cannot be taken in the literal baptist interpretation. Or else the bible is reduced to nonsense.

Quite the opposite.

If the Bible is not to be taken literally then it is open to interpretation. If that is the case then nothing is sacred and God cannot hold anyone at fault because all scripture becomes subject to personal opinion. The entire Bible is thus rendered invalid as a source of spiritual and morale guidance. I guess you belive that gays should be able to marry, woman can be priests and fornicators can get into Heaven too, huh? Seeing as you pick and choose which parts are literal and non-literal.

There is no "interpreting" the Bible. It says what it says. "Interpretations" are for godless pagan cultist like yourself who don't like what's written and want to "rewrite" it to fit your desires.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Scared Heart, I'm still waiting for you to address my point about mutually contradictory Romanist arguments. We True Christians™ cannot accept any body of doctrine that contraicts itself.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Scared Heart, I'm still waiting for you to address my point about mutually contradictory Romanist arguments. We True Christians™ cannot accept any body of doctrine that contraicts itself.

Maybe he can't find the answers on the website he's been plagiarizing from.