Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

[Sacred Heart]

Hello... I'm Catholic and new here. I just saw Catholicism listed under a cult and it kinda raised my eyebrow...

I mean, you guys know that the early Christian Fathers were Catholic right? All forms of Christianity stem from that one source... I think it's fine that you see my religion as "false" as I have mutual feelings for yours. However... a cult? Seriously? Why would you think that?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Hello... I'm Catholic and new here. I just saw Catholicism listed under a cult and it kinda raised my eyebrow...

I mean, you guys know that the early Christian Fathers were Catholic right? All forms of Christianity stem from that one source... I think it's fine that you see my religion as "false" as I have mutual feelings for yours. However... a cult? Seriously? Why would you think that?

All forms of Christianity stem from Jesus friend. Do you seriously think the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic and the Neostorians an off shoot of the Roman Catholics?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Hello... I'm Catholic and new here. I just saw Catholicism listed under a cult and it kinda raised my eyebrow...

I mean, you guys know that the early Christian Fathers were Catholic right? All forms of Christianity stem from that one source... I think it's fine that you see my religion as "false" as I have mutual feelings for yours. However... a cult? Seriously? Why would you think that?

Why do you hate Jesus and worship His mother, even though the Bible clearly says that there shall be one intermediary between man and God, and that is Jesus?

Did you bother to read ANY of the threads explaining why Catholics aren't Christians?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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Why did you feel the need to post this stupid question? And yes, it is a stupid question. Why? BECAUSE THERE IS AN ENTIRE THREAD STICKIED TO THE TOP OF THIS FORUM ANSWERING IT FOR YOU ALREADY!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=7490

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Dear friend:

Welcome to our discussion board. Now please use the search function.

Thank you, and have a blessed day.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

All forms of Christianity stem from Jesus friend. Do you seriously think the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic and the Neostorians an off shoot of the Roman Catholics?

Of course all Christianity came from Christ, hence the name. However, you would agree that the first form of Christianity was indeed Catholic?

I will admit I know little about the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic and the Neostorians, however I also have little concern with them. I was talking about Baptists, which are an offshoot of Catholicism.

[Sacred Heart]

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CATHOLIC TRADITION

- Call priests father, e.g., Father McKinley.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Ok well let's take this from the top I guess... I don't think Jesus was a grammar instructor. I don't know what you might think His purpose hear may have been, but it was not to instruct us in our use of language

Do you scold your children for addressing you as father? What about dad? Is that acceptable?

In reality, if we eliminate this word from our vocabulary, then the sense that God is our "father" would lose all meaning as we would have no earthly counterpart for which to compare and understand. This claim is nonsense.

In the bible you will see that the term father is not only used as an earthly parent or a divine parent, it is used to refer to people other than biological or legal fathers, and is used as a sign of respect to those with whom we have a special relationship.

For example, Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: "So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt" (Gen. 45:8).

"I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know" (Job 29:16).

"In that day I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah . . . and I will clothe him with [a] robe, and will bind [a] girdle on him, and will commit . . . authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah" (Is. 22:20–21).

Or take this other verse for example:

"I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

As for Matthew 23, lets look at the whole passage, verses 8-12.

"As for you, do not be called 'Rabbi'. You have but one teacher, and you are all brothers. Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven. Do not be called 'Master'; you have but one master, the Messiah. The greatest among you must be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled; but whoever humbles himself will be exalted."

These verses, warning against the use of various titles, are addressed to the disciples alone. While the title "Rabbi" has been said to be used in addressing the scribes and Pharisees, the implication is that "Father" and "Master" also were. The prohibition of these titles to the disciples suggest that their use was present in Matthew's church. The Matthean Jesus forbids not only the titles but the spirit of superiority and pride that is shown by their acceptance.

Thus, this is an effort made by Jesus for the apostles to be humble and not take on such roles as the scribes and pharisees. See also in Luke 14:11 "For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[...] I was talking about Baptists, which are an offshoot of Catholicism.

A name - John The Baptist...

[Sacred Heart]

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A name - John The Baptist...

So John founded your Church? Before Jesus died? And when all of Christs followers became Catholic what happened to you guys? Dissappeared until the Anabaptists in 1569?

[Remy Lebeau]

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Of course all Christianity came from Christ, hence the name. However, you would agree that the first form of Christianity was indeed Catholic?

I will admit I know little about the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic and the Neostorians, however I also have little concern with them. I was talking about Baptists, which are an offshoot of Catholicism.

We are Christians. Catholics are pagans and pedophilia supporters. Pagans and pedophilia supporters are not of Christ. Christians are of Christ. Therefore we are not an offshoot of Catholics.

Evil does not beget Good.

"For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit." - Luke 6:43

So John founded your Church? Before Jesus died? And when all of Christs followers became Catholic what happened to you guys? Dissappeared until the Anabaptists in 1569?

What religion do you think Job, Noah, Isaac, Jacob, etc. followed before the birth of Christ? The Word of God, no doubt. We follow the Word, the first and only religion. Your dogmatic pedophile cult is a pagan abomination with a fabricated history which is not supported by the Bible.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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These verses, warning against the use of various titles, are addressed to the disciples alone.

You Catholics can't even agree on how to excuse yourselves from following the Bible. This Catholic site treats Our Lord's words on the subject as universally applicable, but meant as hyperbole.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Of course all Christianity came from Christ, hence the name. However, you would agree that the first form of Christianity was indeed Catholic?

I will admit I know little about the Greek Orthodox, the Coptic and the Neostorians, however I also have little concern with them. I was talking about Baptists, which are an offshoot of Catholicism.

With that kind of stupefying lack of interest in a matter critical to your eternal fate what is the point of having a discussion? The fact that they all and the Baptists pre-date the Roman Catholic church what ever your pedo-baptist priest pushed on you in Sunday school. Technically and silly as it sounds Baptists pre-date Jesus earthy ministery since John the Baptist was born before Christ was.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

We are Christians. Catholics are pagans and pedophilia supporters. Pagans and pedophilia supporters are not of Christ. Christians are of Christ. Therefore we are not an offshoot of Catholics.

Evil does not beget Good.

"For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit." - Luke 6:43



What religion do you think Job, Noah, Isaac, Jacob, etc. followed before the birth of Christ? The Word of God, no doubt. We follow the Word, the first and only religion. Your dogmatic pedophile cult is a pagan abomination with a fabricated history which is not supported by the Bible.

If it's not a problem, I would like to discuss this after the current topic of calling a priest father has been concluded. Unless by bringing up this new point, you concede that Jesus truly intended for the apostles to be humble, unlike the pharisees?

[Sacred Heart]

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You Catholics can't even agree on how to excuse yourselves from following the Bible. This Catholic site treats Our Lord's words on the subject as universally applicable, but meant as hyperbole.

We follow the bible, but we also follow equally inspired Sacred Tradition which predates any scripture and greatly predates a compiled New Testament. However, I would like to address calling "No Man Father" which the link you provided is an excellent source for the catholic perspective. After we have come to an accord on calling no man father, then may we address other topics such as Sola Scriptura.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

With that kind of stupefying lack of interest in a matter critical to your eternal fate what is the point of having a discussion? The fact that they all and the Baptists pre-date the Roman Catholic church what ever your pedo-baptist priest pushed on you in Sunday school. Technically and silly as it sounds Baptists pre-date Jesus earthy ministery since John the Baptist was born before Christ was.

It does not concern the nature of this thread, or in fact the disagreement between you and I. Which was that the Catholic Church predates Baptists. John the baptist did not follow the baptist way of thinking. How could he possibly, as the prophesies had yet to be fulfilled? There was much teaching and correction Jesus had to accomplish before any form of Christianity could be established.

If nothing else, surely you agree that John the Baptist did not follow the idea of Sola Scriptura or faith alone? Both of these concepts did not exist before Martin Luther.