[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Haha. Wow five on one huh?

Ok. I really did laugh when I signed in and there was an entire page of responses You feel threatened??

Anyways, it might take me a bit to get back with all of you, so bear with me

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Ok. I really did laugh when I signed in and there was an entire page of responses You feel threatened??

Excuse us for showing our Christian love by witnessing to you. Also, your "church" is so non-threatened by disagreement that it used to torture and kill dissenters in various interesting ways.

Anyways, it might take me a bit to get back with all of you, so bear with me

Meaning that it may take a while for you to copy and paste. Don't worry; we'll wait.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Well, now we know where the Catholic practice of just letting your priest fuck you without saying a word to anyone originated.

Do you even remember why I posted this?

Note that Ignatius lived from about 30-100 AD

It was in his letter here that the word "Catholic" was first used to describe the early Church.

Note also that Ignatius was Bishop of Antioch, and it was in Antioch also that the word "Christian" was first spoken. Do YOU detect a pattern here? Or would you like to pass this off as coincidence?

Try reading Acts of the Apostles--it doesn't mention Catholicism even once. Oh, I forgot, you Catholics aren't allowed to read the Bible.

Alright. So I've been reading up on Acts as you requested. However, I have yet to find mention of faith alone or Sola Scriptura?

I think it's funny how you can't post verses to support these "creations" either!

Can you not understand that Peter first PREACHED on Pentecost Sunday? He didn't whip out his Bible and start regurgitating verses as protestant ministers do. He PREACHED. That means SPOKEN WORDS. This is ORAL TRADITION. This is NOT Peter passing out bibles to the crowd and telling them to take it home to read and bring back their private interpretations for discussion...

Once again, you would find exactly that if you read Acts.

Are you hoping I will find it for you because you're too lazy to read it yourself? Do you even know what verses "support" your argument?

I agree with everything you just said. Now, there's someone I'd like you to meet:

Allow me to introduce you to His Holiness Benedryl XVI, Holy Father, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Pontifex Maximus, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City, Servus Servonum Dei, Pope.

His Holiness, Pope Benedict the XVI. Emissary of Christ. He is our Shepherd whilst Christ is away because the Church needs a visible "head" or referee if you will, to step in when new problems arise. Someone to keep us from dividing within ourselves as the protestants have...

However, I fail to see how the Pope is in likeness to the Pharisees? In fact, NO ONE here can seem to point out how the priesthood itself is in likeness to the Pharisees...

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Yes Levi, how could you make such a foolish mistake? It wasn't from catholic.com, it was from ASKACATHOLIC.COM

http://www.askacatholic.com/holyquotes/documents/_all_catholic_verses.htm#Chastity

Are you going to confess this plagiarism to your priest?

If quoting from the Bible is plagiarism... Then yes. I confess WHOLEHEARTEDLY. However, that was all I posted from this website. And if that makes it any less the Word of God, you can take it up with Him on the last day.

Fact is. These verses frighten you all so much you would rather address where I copied the verses from (to save time if you will, five on one yields alot of typing on my part) than the verses themselves.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Let's see...

I explained to you that our faith is not an offshot of your cult.

I explained to you why catholics are not Christians.

You have no counter argument.

I guess there is no debate because apparently you already lost. Therefore, there is no reason for you to post anymore as you've already admitted defeat by your lack of any counter argument.

I must say, you were the easiest opponent I have ever had to deal with.

I love how you come in here, change the subject, then get mad because I would rather conclude the one we are one before addressing others.

Surely you know "master of debate" that by changing the subject halfway through nothing will ever become resolved?

Quite the opposite.

Be careful! Thats not what WWJDNow just said! You don't want to divide into 30,000 differ- oh dang. Too late...

If the Bible is not to be taken literally then it is open to interpretation. If that is the case then nothing is sacred and God cannot hold anyone at fault because all scripture becomes subject to personal opinion. The entire Bible is thus rendered invalid as a source of spiritual and morale guidance.

This only occurs in the Protestant denominations. You see, your claim to be individually guided by the Holy Spirit to understand Scripture is preposterous simply for the fact that you have all split up into your own ideas of what a Church "should" be.

Now Catholics however, have been interpreting the Bible the SAME WAY for 2000 years. Their is no disagreement. Why? Well maybe bc we ARE guided by the Holy Spirit.... That, and we didn't embrace new fabricated ideas from Martin Luther such as Sola Scriptura or faith alone.

I guess you belive that gays should be able to marry, woman can be priests and fornicators can get into Heaven too, huh? Seeing as you pick and choose which parts are literal and non-literal.

We do not choose. It has been chosen. Past tense. It was chosen 2000 years ago by the people who wrote the bible on how it was to be understood. We interpret it the same way.

There is no "interpreting" the Bible. It says what it says. "Interpretations" are for godless pagan cultist like yourself who don't like what's written and want to "rewrite" it to fit your desires.

If it "says what it says".... Jesus says "this is my body". So why don't you believe him!? You have no right sir to "interpret" scripture! We have to take it all literally! Except for this one part here.... because we don't agree that Jesus was "saying what He was saying".... (HINT: I'm mocking you...)

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Scared Heart, I'm still waiting for you to address my point about mutually contradictory Romanist arguments. We True Christians™ cannot accept any body of doctrine that contraicts itself.

I fail to see it as contradictory...

Why is interpreting this passage as hyperbole contradictory to Catholic Doctrine?

[WWJDnow]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

His Holiness, Pope Benedict the XVI. Emissary of Christ. He is our Shepherd whilst Christ is away because the Church needs a visible "head" or referee if you will, to step in when new problems arise. Someone to keep us from dividing within ourselves as the protestants have...

Caiaphas was high priest, too. And you are just a run-of-the-mill hypocrite.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Caiaphas was high priest, too. And you are just a run-of-the-mill hypocrite.

What exactly does this jewish man have to do with the Papacy?

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Furthermore, I note that you have no disagreements with my other statements? I post them again, in case you cleverly over-looked them

"Do you even remember why I posted this?

Note that Ignatius lived from about 30-100 AD

It was in his letter here that the word "Catholic" was first used to describe the early Church.

Note also that Ignatius was Bishop of Antioch, and it was in Antioch also that the word "Christian" was first spoken. Do YOU detect a pattern here? Or would you like to pass this off as coincidence?

Alright. So I've been reading up on Acts as you requested. However, I have yet to find mention of faith alone or Sola Scriptura?

I think it's funny how you can't post verses to support these "creations" either!

Can you not understand that Peter first PREACHED on Pentecost Sunday? He didn't whip out his Bible and start regurgitating verses as protestant ministers do. He PREACHED. That means SPOKEN WORDS. This is ORAL TRADITION. This is NOT Peter passing out bibles to the crowd and telling them to take it home to read and bring back their private interpretations for discussion... "

[WWJDnow]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Furthermore, I note that you have no disagreements with my other statements? I post them again, in case you cleverly over-looked them

You can't cite scripture to suport your Catholic heresies and you've shown yourself to be an über-hypocrite by refusing to chastise the Pope for doing exactly the same things for which Jesus chastised the Pharisees. The debate is over. We won.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Note that Ignatius lived from about 30-100 AD

It was in his letter here that the word "Catholic" was first used to describe the early Church.

At best, Ignatius is someone who put together a couple of early writings that have been edited and added to whenever the poop needed some "ancient backing" for whatever he was saying at the time. At worst, he is a fictional character who was created by the catlicks.

I hear just last Thursday the catlicks found yet another ancient writing from Iggy stating that the joos aren't such bad fellows after all.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Why are you allowed to call your earthly father, "Father" when I am not allowed to call my priest "father"?

I'm sure you can (in chambers), but do you think he wants to be reminded of that little episode? There's this celibacy thing you know...

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

I love how you come in here, change the subject, then get mad because I would rather conclude the one we are one before addressing others.

Clearly, I'm not involved in whatever trivial discussion you are having about the use of the word father so I can't change the subject of a debate that I'm not a part of. Let's be serious, you're never going to admit that you are wrong, and hence you will never move on to another subject. You're just using this as an excuse to duck and hide from the more serious issue of your "vicar of god" being a protector, and therefore supporter, of pedophiles.

You're not fooling anyone. My patience only goes so far. Eventually, the viewers of this godly forum will see your response to this issue... one way or another.

This only occurs in the Protestant denominations. You see, your claim to be individually guided by the Holy Spirit to understand Scripture is preposterous simply for the fact that you have all split up into your own ideas of what a Church "should" be.

We are True Christians. We believe in the entire KJV1611 to the letter. Therefore, we are not broken into any demoninations. You are either with us or with satan. There can be nothing more straightforward than following the Bible to the letter. We don't interpret.

Now Catholics however, have been interpreting the Bible the SAME WAY for 2000 years. Their is no disagreement. Why? Well maybe bc we ARE guided by the Holy Spirit.... That, and we didn't embrace new fabricated ideas from Martin Luther such as Sola Scriptura or faith alone.

So they are still killing, maiming and torturing heretics in Vatican City? Regardless, you guys are a soveriegn state, right? No secular law holding you back from enacting Biblical laws. Or am I incorrect in this assessment?

By your thinking YOU split up into multiple demoninations. Funny how you claim every other supposed christian sect is from you, yet you will not acknowledge the natural logical conclusion which is that you are simply another demonination within the many. According to you it was YOUR church that split up. Hypocrite!!!

We follow the Word of God. This practice has not changed since the days of Abel and Seth some 6000 or so years ago.

We do not choose. It has been chosen. Past tense. It was chosen 2000 years ago by the people who wrote the bible on how it was to be understood. We interpret it the same way.

....um, yeah. They wrote it as it was intended... duh... therefore, there is no room for interpretation. The Bible says what it says which is what I've been saying. YOU, on the otherhand, seem to be under the impression that the Bible says something other than what it actually says.

If it "says what it says".... Jesus says "this is my body". So why don't you believe him!? You have no right sir to "interpret" scripture! We have to take it all literally! Except for this one part here.... because we don't agree that Jesus was "saying what He was saying".... (HINT: I'm mocking you...)

Well, since Jesus was there and didn't cut off any limbs, the context dictates that he isn't made of bread. Just like the context of a certain passage makes it clear that those in positions of religious authority shouldn't be called "father".

Do you think Keebler has a patent on the body of Jesus? Or perhaps you think Jesus was a magical being made of crackers... kinda like the ginger bread man? Please enlighten me. (HINT: I'm feeling pity for you...)

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

Furthermore, I note that you have no disagreements with my other statements? I post them again, in case you cleverly over-looked them

"Do you even remember why I posted this?

Note that Ignatius lived from about 30-100 AD

It was in his letter here that the word "Catholic" was first used to describe the early Church.

Note also that Ignatius was Bishop of Antioch, and it was in Antioch also that the word "Christian" was first spoken. Do YOU detect a pattern here? Or would you like to pass this off as coincidence?
Alright. So I've been reading up on Acts as you requested. However, I have yet to find mention of faith alone or Sola Scriptura?

Acts 10:43: "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

Acts 16:31: "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved."
Acts 26:18: "...that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in me..."

Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
Acts 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Acts 18:27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Acts 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, showing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Acts 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Acts 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.Here's some quotes from those precious church fathers of yours.

Irenaeus:
"We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."
Cyril of Jerusalem: "This seal have thou ever on thy mind; which now by way of summary has been touched on in its heads, and if the Lord grant, shall hereafter be set forth according to our power, with Scripture proofs. For concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures."

"But take thou and hold that faith only as a learner and in profession, which is by the Church delivered to thee, and is established from all Scripture. For since all cannot read the Scripture, but some as being unlearned, others by business, are hindered from the knowledge of them; in order that the soul may not perish for lack of instruction, in the Articles which are few we comprehend the whole doctrine of Faith…And for the present, commit to memory the Faith, merely listening to the words; and expect at the fitting season the proof of each of its parts from the Divine Scriptures. For the Articles of the Faith were not composed at the good pleasure of men: but the most important points chosen from all Scriptures, make up the one teaching of the Faith. And, as the mustard seed in a little grain contains many branches, thus also this Faith, in a few words, hath enfolded in its bosom the whole knowledge of godliness contained both in the Old and New Testaments. Behold, therefore, brethren and hold the traditions which ye now receive, and write them on the table of your hearts"

Gregory of Nyssa: "The generality of men still fluctuate in their opinions about this, which are as erroneous as they are numerous. As for ourselves, if the Gentile philosophy, which deals methodically with all these points, were really adequate for a demonstration, it would certainly be superfluous to add a discussion on the soul to those speculations. But while the latter proceeded, on the subject of the soul, as far in the direction of supposed consequences as the thinker pleased, we are not entitled to such license, I mean that of affirming what we please; we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings."

Augustine: This mediator [Jesus Christ], first through the Prophets, then by his own lips, afterwards through the Apostles, revealed whatever he considered necessary. He also inspired Scripture, which is regarded as canonical and of supreme authority and to which we give credence concerning all those truths we ought to know and yet, of ourselves, are unable to learn.

For among the things that are plainly laid down in Scripture are to be found all matters that concern faith and the manner of life ...

I have learned to yield this respect and honour only to the canonical books of Scripture: of these alone do I most firmly believe that the authors were completely free from error.

as I have said already, it is to the canonical Scriptures alone that I am bound to yield such implicit subjection as to follow their teaching, without admitting the slightest suspicion that in them any mistake or any statement intended to mislead could find a place.Whereas, therefore, in every question, which relates to life and conduct, not only teaching, but exhortation also is necessary; in order that by teaching we may know what is to be done, and by exhortation may be incited not to think it irksome to do what we already know is to be done; what more can I teach you, than what we read in the Apostle? For holy Scripture setteth a rule to our teaching, that we dare not "be wise more than it behoveth to be wise;" but be wise, as himself saith, "unto soberness, according as unto each God hath allotted the measure of faith." (Rom 12:3) Be it not therefore for me to teach you any other thing, save to expound to you the words of the Teacher, and to treat of them as the Lord shall have given to me.

Athanasius: The purpose of the book a vindication of Christian doctrine, and especially of the Cross, against the scoffing objection of Gentiles. The effects of this doctrine its main vindication. 1. The knowledge of our religion and of the truth of things is independently manifest rather than in need of human teachers, for almost day by day it asserts itself by facts, and manifests itself brighter than the sun by the doctrine of Christ. 2. Still, as you nevertheless desire to hear about it, Macarius, come let us as we may be able set forth a few points of the faith of Christ: able though you are to find it out from the divine oracles, but yet generously desiring to hear from others as well. 3. For although the sacred and inspired Scriptures are sufficient to declare the truth,—while there are other works of our blessed teachers compiled for this purpose, if he meet with which a man will gain some knowledge of the interpretation of the Scriptures, and be able to learn what he wishes to know,—still, as we have not at present in our hands the compositions of our teachers, we must communicate in writing to you what we learned from them,—the faith, namely, of Christ the Saviour; lest any should hold cheap the doctrine taught among us, or think faith. in Christ unreasonable.

Can you not understand that Peter first PREACHED on Pentecost Sunday? He didn't whip out his Bible and start regurgitating verses as protestant ministers do. He PREACHED. That means SPOKEN WORDS. This is ORAL TRADITION. This is NOT Peter passing out bibles to the crowd and telling them to take it home to read and bring back their private interpretations for discussion...

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Since you seem to like just showing off what other people have written, I think I'll do the same:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/sola-scriptura-earlychurch.html

http://biblelight.net/sola1.htm

[Evolution FTW]

Re: Um... Why is my religion listed as a cult?

The one-way view of the general posters on this forum deem it so.
Not open-minded in the slightest.