[Moses.]

Re: Debunking the 'Mary worship' myth

The fact that you think JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOR is constrained by time and number of prayers says A LOT about you.

("Net neutrality" may be a communist plot, but PRAYER NEUTRALITY IS NOT!)

*sighs* so why does Paul say "I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me" Rom. 15:30.

you are fooling no one but your self.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Debunking the 'Mary worship' myth

*sighs* so why does Paul say "I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me" Rom. 15:30.

you are fooling no one but your self.

Nice try slipping your Catholic FALSE Bible quote in there

Try the TRUE word of God

Romans 15:30 (King James Version)
Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

Weak tea here for you argument for Goddess worship Moses. All it says is we can pray for each other, nothing about praying to someone dead instead of Jesus Himself. Get that; pray for, not pray to someone.

One man, one Deity. That is His plan.

[Moses.]

Re: Debunking the 'Mary worship' myth

Nice try slipping your Catholic FALSE Bible quote in there

Try the TRUE word of God

Romans 15:30 (King James Version)
Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

Weak tea here for you argument for Goddess worship Moses. All it says is we can pray for each other, nothing about praying to someone dead instead of Jesus Himself. Get that; pray for, not pray to someone.

One man, one Deity. That is His plan.

Understand my friend, both bibles say the same thing in that verse. Secoundly we ask them to pray for us we don't worship them. so what is this do i just have to repeat my self always is it ignorance or you just don't want to open your minds up because you can see the truth.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Debunking the 'Mary worship' myth

*sighs* so why does Paul say "I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me" Rom. 15:30.

you are fooling no one but your self.

If you want your neighbor to pray for you, do you pray to your neighbor? Me, I will give my neighbor and phone call to ask him to join in prayer with me, then the two of us will PRAY TO JESUS!
Now I know you're going to move the goalposts and say that praying to Mary is like making a phone call to her, despite the fact that you already made the argument that it's necessary to pray to her because Jesus is either too busy or too incapable to hear our prayers while Mary can hear them all! I don't NEED to ask my neighbor to pray for me in order for CHRIST to hear my prayers!

[The Cantabrian]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Some people are VERY confused about what we catholics do. We do NOT pray to Mary and we do not pray to the saints. We talk to them, just as you would talk to your brothers and sisters right here on earth.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Debunking the 'Mary worship' myth

Understand my friend, both bibles say the same thing in that verse. Secoundly we ask them to pray for us we don't worship them. so what is this do i just have to repeat my self always is it ignorance or you just don't want to open your minds up because you can see the truth.

Give me a break from your absurd pity oh false one.

Who is Mary to know what we are praying for??? She is a dead woman in Heaven. She is not God and she is not part of God like Jesus. She has no more supernatural powers than me or you. The only way you can get Mary, Jewish housewife, the power "hear" our prayers is to impose some blatantly pagan doctrine of the deification of the dead into Christianity.

And spare me and Sister Mary Maria this smug "we don't understand Catholics"; we're both ex-Catholics.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Some people are VERY confused about what we catholics do. We do NOT pray to Mary and we do not pray to the saints. We talk to them, just as you would talk to your brothers and sisters right here on earth.

And what does the Bible say about "talking with the dead?"


Deuteronomy 18:10-11 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Some people are VERY confused about what we catholics do. We do NOT pray to Mary and we do not pray to the saints. We talk to them, just as you would talk to your brothers and sisters right here on earth.

Really? When you talk to your brother or sister, do you drop to your knees with your hands folded in front of you? Do you say, "Hey, Mary! Could you do me a favor and pray to Jesus for me? Thanks, much appreciated"?

You can't do something then try to explain it away by redefining it as something else.

[Moses.]

Re: Debunking the 'Mary worship' myth

If you want your neighbor to pray for you, do you pray to your neighbor? Me, I will give my neighbor and phone call to ask him to join in prayer with me, then the two of us will PRAY TO JESUS!
Now I know you're going to move the goalposts and say that praying to Mary is like making a phone call to her, despite the fact that you already made the argument that it's necessary to pray to her because Jesus is either too busy or too incapable to hear our prayers while Mary can hear them all! I don't NEED to ask my neighbor to pray for me in order for CHRIST to hear my prayers!

ok obviously you are kind of ignorant, so answer to me this. 1917 Fatima Portugal the Blessed Virgin appeared. 70,000 saw the mircle of the sun alot of them were athiest the blind could see, lame could walk all is documented.
"Columnist Avelino de Almeida of O Século (Portugal's most influential newspaper, which was pro-government in policy and avowedly anti-clerical),[2] reported the following: "Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bare-headed, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws - the sun 'danced' according to the typical expression of the people."[7] Eye specialist Dr. Domingos Pinto Coelho, writing for the newspaper Ordem reported "The sun, at one moment surrounded with scarlet flame, at another aureoled in yellow and deep purple, seemed to be in an exceeding fast and whirling movement, at times appearing to be loosened from the sky and to be approaching the earth, strongly radiating heat".[8] The special reporter for the 17 October 1917 edition of the Lisbon daily, O Dia, reported the following, "...the silver sun, enveloped in the same gauzy purple light was seen to whirl and turn in the circle of broken clouds...The light turned a beautiful blue, as if it had come through the stained-glass windows of a cathedral, and spread itself over the people who knelt with outstretched hands...people wept and prayed with uncovered heads, in the presence of a miracle they had awaited. The seconds seemed like hours, so vivid were they"


thats it im not going to bother anymore you people are just to ignorant and stubborn to ope your hearts to the truth!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Debunking the 'Mary worship' myth

ok obviously you are kind of ignorant, so answer to me this. 1917 Fatima Portugal the Blessed Virgin appeared. 70,000 saw the mircle of the sun alot of them were athiest the blind could see, lame could walk all is documented.

I can one up you Ring Kisser from my own family history. Our Lady of Magigoria Father Zovka is a cousin of mine.

So explain to me why your little deity the Virgin Mary is bring God's message to a bunch of murderous goat herders in some back assed part of the world? (and yes, after what my relatives did to the Serbians and Muslims they are murderous, back assed, goat herders) Please note that neither Fatima or Magigoria did a shit load of good, did it? World wars, secularism and the Yugoslavian civil war still happened. If she had parked her behind down in The Mall in Washington DC or Red Square in Moscow and said "cut this commie shit out" on cable TV people might listen.

Try this though on; they're miserable goat herders and they're lying about seeing the Virgin Mary to make themselves feel special. Your false church sees it can make dime on it and plays it up.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Debunking the 'Mary worship' myth

ok obviously you are kind of ignorant, so answer to me this. 1917 Fatima Portugal the Blessed Virgin appeared. 70,000 saw the mircle of the sun alot of them were athiest the blind could see, lame could walk all is documented.
"Columnist Avelino de Almeida of O Século (Portugal's most influential newspaper, which was pro-government in policy and avowedly anti-clerical),[2] reported the following: "Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bare-headed, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws - the sun 'danced' according to the typical expression of the people."[7] Eye specialist Dr. Domingos Pinto Coelho, writing for the newspaper Ordem reported "The sun, at one moment surrounded with scarlet flame, at another aureoled in yellow and deep purple, seemed to be in an exceeding fast and whirling movement, at times appearing to be loosened from the sky and to be approaching the earth, strongly radiating heat".[8] The special reporter for the 17 October 1917 edition of the Lisbon daily, O Dia, reported the following, "...the silver sun, enveloped in the same gauzy purple light was seen to whirl and turn in the circle of broken clouds...The light turned a beautiful blue, as if it had come through the stained-glass windows of a cathedral, and spread itself over the people who knelt with outstretched hands...people wept and prayed with uncovered heads, in the presence of a miracle they had awaited. The seconds seemed like hours, so vivid were they"


thats it im not going to bother anymore you people are just to ignorant and stubborn to ope your hearts to the truth!

At what point in this story of a dancing sun does Mary "appear" as you say?
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

It seems odd to me that only people in Fatima saw this "miracle". If GOD was making the sun truly dance (or are you saying that Mary has this ability?), EVERYONE EXPERIENCING DAYLIGHT would have seen it!

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

You never answered this.

Hey there friend,

The problem of paedophilia in the church has been most unfortunate but I would stress that only a tiny minority of priests have ever been involved in sexual abuse. I see also my friend that Pope Benedict is the 'Kiddie-Fiddler of Vatican City'. Sir I must stress to you that this is a totally inaccurate attack, the holy father is never been involved in that and has always acted quickly and consistently to deal with abusers in the strongest possible way. There is so much misunderstanding about what the church stands for and what it does and does not tolerate.

Homosexuality and child predatory practices are endemic within the catholic church. It has been quietly swept under the rug for years.

This is precisely what happens when you refuse to follow the Word of God.

1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

Later Paul specifically warns against heresy like yours.

1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

[Moses.]

Re: Debunking the 'Mary worship' myth

I can one up you Ring Kisser from my own family history. Our Lady of Magigoria Father Zovka is a cousin of mine.

So explain to me why your little deity the Virgin Mary is bring God's message to a bunch of murderous goat herders in some back assed part of the world? (and yes, after what my relatives did to the Serbians and Muslims they are murderous, back assed, goat herders) Please note that neither Fatima or Magigoria did a shit load of good, did it? World wars, secularism and the Yugoslavian civil war still happened. If she had parked her behind down in The Mall in Washington DC or Red Square in Moscow and said "cut this commie shit out" on cable TV people might listen.

Try this though on; they're miserable goat herders and they're lying about seeing the Virgin Mary to make themselves feel special. Your false church sees it can make dime on it and plays it up.

"And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham." Matthew 3:9 so i dont care who you claim to know it does not mean much. why was Jesus born in Bethlehem in the middle of no where in a barn? why wasnt he born in a "great city". your arguments have no basis and i don't want to hear what you think give me facts ok. i go by facts.

At what point in this story of a dancing sun does Mary "appear" as you say?

again ignorance got the better of you, the three children saw her she spoke to them she proficised and the profecies came true you dont beleive me go check any reliable source does not have to be catholic.

why did God only speak to Moses why dident he he speak to everyone?
the "dancing sun" was seen by people 40km away. don't you think God has the ability to reveal unto some and hide from others the Blessed Virgin has Gods Grace all her work is done through God.
see how pointless your arguments are all you like to do is question a mircle and try to find an excuse not to beleive open your heart and seek the truth!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Debunking the 'Mary worship' myth

"And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham." Matthew 3:9 so i dont care who you claim to know it does not mean much. why was Jesus born in Bethlehem in the middle of no where in a barn? why wasnt he born in a "great city". your arguments have no basis and i don't want to hear what you think give me facts ok. i go by facts.

While I love the irony of a Catholic using the life of Christ in a discussion about Mary, Jesus was born in a barn in Bethlehem because the Jews would have killed Him on site. Remember that Herod the Great and his fun loving massacre of the innocents bit?

But we are not talking about a helpless infant, are we? We are talking about the image of Mary appearing. Not much the KGB could do about that. Heck the Yugoslavian secret police couldn't stop those kids and their "visions".

[Moses.]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

You never answered this.



Homosexuality and child predatory practices are endemic within the catholic church. It has been quietly swept under the rug for years.

This is precisely what happens when you refuse to follow the Word of God.




Later Paul specifically warns against heresy like yours.

The Church is not perfect but what they teach is!
its called the Judus syndrome ok Christ had Judus Escariot as one of his deciples what do you think the reason was? to show to us that within the churchs ranks you will always have people that will do the wrong thing, we are all sinners no one claims to be perfect. if we put your church under the microscope like what was done to the catholic church i bet you we will find how imperfect it is too. so what you are saying is very naive.