[James Hutchins]

Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports

God obviously abhors violence. All he wants is for us to live in peace and harmony according to the rules and regulations as clearly spelled out in the Bible. Over and over, He has had written that if we abide by the teachings of the Bible, we will have wonderful lives followed by an eternity of bliss. If people refuse to follow the Bible and instead, folow those of the Devil, then yes, violence will ensue. For exapmle, do you enjoy having your rectum stretched wide and all sorts of objects inserted deep within your bowels? I for one do not.

[Katander]

Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports

There are no contradicting quotes in the Holy Bible. Why not actually read one instead of just talking about it?

Hey Cranky

How about this... does god sleep?

No

Psalm 121:3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.

Yes

Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

[Robert Jones]

Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports

Hey Cranky

How about this... does god sleep?

No

Psalm 121:3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.

Yes

Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Clearly David, in one of his times of sin and the Lord was not answering him.

Read the passage in context.

Psalms 44:18-26

18 Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from thy way; 19 Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death. 20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; 21 Shall not God search this out ? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart. 22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter. 23 Awake , why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise , cast us not off for ever. 24 Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression? 25 For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. 26 Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

This certainly doesn't not mean that God was sleeping, God simply was not answering the calls of David because he was living in sin. Once He repented of his sin, God spoke to him again. But thank God that True Christians™ do not have to worry about God not answering our prayers, because we, as True Christians™ cannot sin.

[Katander]

Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports

Clearly David, in one of his times of sin and the Lord was not answering him.

Read the passage in context.



This certainly doesn't not mean that God was sleeping, God simply was not answering the calls of David because he was living in sin. Once He repented of his sin, God spoke to him again. But thank God that True Christians™ do not have to worry about God not answering our prayers, because we, as True Christians™ cannot sin.

Pastor Billy says...
We believe that the Bible is the literal inerrant Word of God. We understand the Bible by following the principle of "least scripture twisting". We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means. This method of understanding the Bible leads to the least amount of Scripture twisting. We read the words for what they say, rather than what we want them to say.

So read it literaly as a child would read it...
Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Or is Pastor Billy wrong?

[Bobby-Joe]

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Pastor Billy says...
We believe that the Bible is the literal inerrant Word of God. We understand the Bible by following the principle of "least scripture twisting". We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means. This method of understanding the Bible leads to the least amount of Scripture twisting. We read the words for what they say, rather than what we want them to say.

So read it literaly as a child would read it...
Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Or is Pastor Billy wrong?

Have you heard of the Trinity?

Clearly God was taking a nap there while the Holy Spirit was keeping an eye on business.

But, for the sake of argument let's say God told a fib to King David and was sound asleep. So what? God forgave Himself when He (as Jesus) was baptized and accepted Himself as His own personal savior.

[Robert Jones]

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Pastor Billy says...
We believe that the Bible is the literal inerrant Word of God. We understand the Bible by following the principle of "least scripture twisting". We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means. This method of understanding the Bible leads to the least amount of Scripture twisting. We read the words for what they say, rather than what we want them to say.

So read it literaly as a child would read it...
Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Or is Pastor Billy wrong?

Maybe if you're a child who wasn't reading the entire chapter you'd read it like that, but if you read it as a child who actually read the verse in context, it's clear that David was not thinking that God was sleeping, but simply not answering him. If you read the Psalms, you'll find many instances were David feels like God has abandoned him because he strays from God. That's how I would have read it. Maybe you need to rethink the way you read the Bible. The Biblical account of David's life is a fascinating testimony of the power of God.

[Didymus Much]

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So read it literaly (sic) as a child would read it...
Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

David thinks God is sleeping. This does not prove that God is sleeping.

If I say, "Why are you an Eskimo?", does this prove you're an Eskimo?

[Sister Christina]

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Pastor Billy says...
We believe that the Bible is the literal inerrant Word of God. We understand the Bible by following the principle of "least scripture twisting". We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means. This method of understanding the Bible leads to the least amount of Scripture twisting. We read the words for what they say, rather than what we want them to say.

So read it literaly as a child would read it...
Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Or is Pastor Billy wrong?

No, Pastor Billy is not wrong nor is Brother Jones.
Hence the best way to read the bible is called "least scripture twisting".
Not that you have to twist anything here when you look at it in context, like Brother Jones just showed you.

[Katander]

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Maybe if you're a child who wasn't reading the entire chapter you'd read it like that, but if you read it as a child who actually read the verse in context, it's clear that David was not thinking that God was sleeping, but simply not answering him. If you read the Psalms, you'll find many instances were David feels like God has abandoned him because he strays from God. That's how I would have read it. Maybe you need to rethink the way you read the Bible. The Biblical account of David's life is a fascinating testimony of the power of God.

I have come across Commentaries of Psalm 44 that it is in reference to the unfair persecution of the Jews in general and not David. So I guess it depends on how you want to twist it...

But I guess your INTERPRETATION of the words of god is much better than mine or anyone elses...

[Levi Jones]

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But I guess your INTERPRETATION of the words of god is much better than mine or anyone elses...

Now you are getting it.

Cousin Bobby has forgotten more about the Bible than you ever knew.

[Katander]

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No, Pastor Billy is not wrong nor is Brother Jones.
Hence the best way to read the bible is called "least scripture twisting".
Not that you have to twist anything here when you look at it in context, like Brother Jones just showed you.

You are right Sister Christina

One must read the bible with the "least scripture twisting" but still using the "literal meaning of the words" so that the "interpretation" of those words are such that it agrees with bibles "true meaning" and "true understanding" of gods meaning...

[Robert Jones]

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But I guess your INTERPRETATION of the words of god is much better than mine or anyone elses...

I'm glad that you have admitted this, as a True Christian™, I dedicate my entire life to God and gaining a better understanding of His word. God enables True Christians™ to instruct and reproof those who misinterpret His word and to help them on the path of righteousness. Are you feeling the pull of God, tugging at your heart and body to follow him? Are you ready to repent of your wicked ways and follow the Lord Jesus Christ? I promise you, your life will not be the same once Jesus touches you and makes you a new person.

[Katander]

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I'm glad that you have admitted this, as a True Christian™, I dedicate my entire life to God and gaining a better understanding of His word. God enables True Christians™ to instruct and reproof those who misinterpret His word and to help them on the path of righteousness. Are you feeling the pull of God, tugging at your heart and body to follow him? Are you ready to repent of your wicked ways and follow the Lord Jesus Christ? I promise you, your life will not be the same once Jesus touches you and makes you a new person.

I am sorry but I am not comfortable with guys touching me...

[Robert Jones]

Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports

I am sorry but I am not comfortable with guys touching me...

So you'd choose hell over Jesus?

[Lisa H]

Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports

I am sorry but I am not comfortable with guys touching me...

How dare you imply Jesus was a homer. What blaspheme you speak. Jesus touched people and healed them and giving them sight to believe.


Matthew 20:34 So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.