[David Goldman]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

HOW THE piffle DO YOU THINK THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED! There is evidence everywhere! You have to be retarded to suggest that it never occurred. Thousands of innocent people lost their lives, for what purpose, their religious beliefs. Quit being an ignorant, white trash, person, and do some piffleing research instead of believing some crap that is all false. You are truly piffleed up.

I assume from your avatar that you're a girl right? I only ask because it appears your math skills are somewhat deficient, and I don't want to go over your head here.

77 MILLION died in World War Two. Not "thousands". It is 77 times a thousand squared (thousand times thousand). So, "thousands" of people dying is no holocaust.

Thousands die in the US from car accidents. Where is the outrage of the "automobile holocaust"? Thousands die every year around the world from parasites. I hear no talk of a "tapeworm holocaust."

A lot of people died in WW2 -- sure. So which "holocaust" are you referring too? Are you claiming that of that 77 Million dead, some particular group has a monopoly on the concept of the "holocaust"? That's pretty arrogant, and a little twisted, if you really feel that way.

[Sophitia]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

Friend, the so-called holocaust is another hoax perpetrated upon society by joos and liberals who want to create as many false victims in the world as possible, all the better to destroy Christianity.

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED! There is evidence everywhere! You have to be retarded to suggest that it never occurred. Thousands of innocent people lost their lives, for what purpose, their religious beliefs. Quit being an ignorant, white trash, person, and do some fucking research instead of believing some crap that is all false. You are truly fucked up.

[James Peter]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

Our Lady of Lourdes and Our Lady of Guadalupe were traveling through Europe in a car. In Transylvania, they were stopped at a traffic light when, suddenly, a vampire jumped onto the hood of the car.

"What shall we do?" shouted Our Lady of Lourdes. Our Lady of Guadalupe responded, "Turn the windshield wipers on. That will get rid of the abomination." Our Lady of Lourdes switched them on, knocking the vampire about, but he managed to stay on the car.

"What shall I do now?" asked Our Lady of Lourdes. "Switch on the windshield washer. I filled it with Holy Water in the Vatican," responded Our Lady of Guadalupe. Our Lady of Lourdes turned the windshield washer on, and the vampire began to scream as the water burned his skin, but he still clung to the car.

"Now what?" shouted Our Lady of Lourdes. "Show him your cross," said Our Lady of Guadalupe. "Now you're talking," said Our Lady of Lourdes as she opened the window, then she shouted, "Get the f*ck off of our car!!"

That joke is factually incorrect on many levels. First off, Our Lady of Lourdes and Our Lady of Guadalupe are but two different titles for the same Virgin Mother. Secondly, as she is Queen of Heaven, she doesn't need to travel around in a car, she can like, appear whatever she wants. Third, vampires don't exist. Fourth, the Virgin Mother wouldn't fear a vampire because like, she's way super-powerful, the vampire can't do anything to hurt her. Fourth, you aren't allowed to use Holy Water as washer fluid and so Mary wouldn't do that, asshe never sins. Fifth, the Virgin Mother does not have a potty mouth.

I hope this has been enlightening. Your knowledge of Catholic dogma is pitiful.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

Was the Lord Jesus committing a sin when He was speaking with Elijah and Moses in Mark 9:4?

First off, Elijah didn't die, he ascended to heaven. Second, in Mark 9:4, Elijah and Moses appeared to Jesus, not the other way around. It was really Jesus's only opportunity to catch up on the latest gossip from back home, so you can hardly blame him for chatting with them a bit, and it's not like He went out looking for them. Plus, Elijah was Jesus's cousin. It's pretty rude if you refuse to speak with your cousin if he comes to visit you just because the guy is dead.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

How dare you insult Mary, Layman Ezekiel!

Our Lady of Lourdes and Our Lady of Guadalupe were traveling through Europe in a car. In Transylvania, they were stopped at a traffic light when, suddenly, a vampire jumped onto the hood of the car.

"What shall we do?" shouted Our Lady of Lourdes. Our Lady of Guadalupe responded, "Turn the windshield wipers on. That will get rid of the abomination." Our Lady of Lourdes switched them on, knocking the vampire about, but he managed to stay on the car.

"What shall I do now?" asked Our Lady of Lourdes. "Switch on the windshield washer. I filled it with Holy Water in the Vatican," responded Our Lady of Guadalupe. Our Lady of Lourdes turned the windshield washer on, and the vampire began to scream as the water burned his skin, but he still clung to the car.

"Now what?" shouted Our Lady of Lourdes. "Show him your cross," said Our Lady of Guadalupe. "Now you're talking," said Our Lady of Lourdes as she opened the window, then she shouted, "Get the f*ck off of our car!!"

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

Was the Lord Jesus committing a sin when He was speaking with Elijah and Moses in Mark 9:4?

Don't be an idiot. Jesus cannot sin. He does as He pleases.

You papists have no shame.

[A Mad Dog]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

Brother HB has nailed this perfectly.

Nowhere in the Holy Bible does God tell us that we can or should attempt to pray to dead people, be they True Christians™ or not. My father (Pastor Lamentations Flint) is up in Heaven with Jesus right now, but you don't see me on my knees praying to him, do you?

In fact, communing with the dead is a sin. I wonder if the papist dog can quote the pertinent Scripture on that...

Was the Lord Jesus committing a sin when He was speaking with Elijah and Moses in Mark 9:4?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

You do not think that the Blessed Virgin Mary is a fellow Christian?

She's dead.

Her body is dead. How can she hear you?

Brother HB has nailed this perfectly.

Nowhere in the Holy Bible does God tell us that we can or should attempt to pray to dead people, be they True Christians(tm) or not. My father (Pastor Lamentations Flint) is up in Heaven with Jesus right now, but you don't see me on my knees praying to him, do you?

In fact, communing with the dead is a sin. I wonder if the papist dog can quote the pertinent Scripture on that...

[Miss April]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

Her body is dead. How can she hear you?

That's right Brother Heathen Amen

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

Her body is dead. How can she hear you?

[A Mad Dog]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

She's dead.

How can she be dead whenever she is alive with the Lord in Heaven? Does not the Scripture say, "I am the God of the living and not of the dead"? In light of this Scripture, how can she be dead as you would have her portrayed?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

She's dead.

[A Mad Dog]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

That verse is asking for his fellow Christians to pray TO GOD for him. I don't see anything in the Bible saying "go ahead and pray to any corpse you like."

You've just earned yourself a whole basket full of shiny new infraction points for twisting God's Holy Word, papist scum.

You do not think that the Blessed Virgin Mary is a fellow Christian?

[James Peter]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv...f_Joseph_Smith

Criticisms of Joseph Smith

Main article: Joseph Smith, Jr.
Critics allege that Joseph Smith, Jr. invented Mormonism in order to gain money, women, and power.[7][8][9][10][11]

[edit] Allegations of Smith's slander of women who refused plural marriage

Joseph Smith has been criticized for slandering the reputations of women who refused to become his polygamous wives. Published allegations of adultery against Sarah Pratt and Bennett appeared in local and church publications[12] with signed affidavits from her neighbors Stephen and Zeruiah Goddard and others. Dr. Robert D. Foster made the following allegation against Bennett and Pratt:
“Alas, none but the seduced join the seducer [Dr. Bennett]; those only who have been arraigned before a just tribunal for the same unhallowed conduct can be found to give countenance to any of his black hearted lies, and they, too, detest him for his seduction, these are the ladies to whom he refers his hearers to substantiate his assertions. Mrs. White, Mrs. Pratt, Niemans, Miller, Brotherton, and others. [13]”
Pratt later claimed that Zeruiah Goddard told her these testimonies were made under threat from Joseph's brother Hyrum Smith:
“It is not my fault; Hyrum Smith [Joseph's brother] came to our house, with the affidavits all written out, and forced us to sign them. Joseph and the Church must be saved, said he. We saw that resistance was useless, they would have ruined us; so we signed the papers.[14]”
The author Richard S. Van Wagoner concluded that the adultery charges against Sarah Pratt are "highly improbable" and could "be dismissed as slander."[11] In addition to Sarah Pratt, Van Wagoner states that Nancy Rigdon and Martha Brotherton, "also suffered slanderous attacks because they exposed the Church's private polygamy posture."[15] Orson Pratt stood by his wife Sarah in preference to the denials of Smith, who told his disciple Orson that "If [Orson] did believe his wife and follow her suggestions he would go to hell".[16] Wilford Woodruff stated that "Dr. John Cook Bennett was the ruin of Orson Pratt".[17] Van Wagoner and Walker note that, on August 20, 1842, "after four days of fruitless efforts at reconciliation, the Twelve excommunicated Pratt for 'insubordination' and Sarah for 'adultery'".[18]
Sidney Rigdon wrote a letter to the Messenger and Advocate in 1844 condemning the church's Quorum of the Twelve and their alleged connection to polygamy,
“It is a fact so well known that the Twelve and their adherents have endeavored to carry on this spiritual wife business … and have gone to the most shameful and desperate lengths to keep from the public. First, insulting innocent females, and when they resented the insult, these monsters in human shape would assail their characters by lying, and perjuries, with a multitude of desperate men to help them effect the ruin of those whom they insulted, and all this to enable them to keep these corrupt practices from the world.[9]”

[edit] Allegations that Smith allowed abortions for plural wives

See also: List of the wives of Joseph Smith, Jr.
Smith was accused by Sarah Pratt in an 1886 interview with "vitriolic anti-Mormon journalist W. Wyl"[19] of allowing John C. Bennett, a medical doctor, to perform abortions on polygamous wives who were officially single, which she alleged limited Smith's progeny from these wives.[20] She based this on statements made to her by Bennett.[21][22] Orson Pratt, Sarah Pratt's husband, considered Bennett a liar
“J.C. Bennett has published lies concerning myself & family & the people with which I am connected....His book I have read with the greatest disgust. No candid honest man can or will believe it. He has disgraced himself in eyes of all civilized society who will despise his very name,"[11]”
whereas Sarah Pratt herself said, "[I] know that the principle statements in John C. Bennett's book on Mormonism are true."[9]
[edit] Different accounts of the First Vision

Main article: First Vision
Richard Abanes and the Tanners note that ten differing accounts of the First Vision have been recorded, which they claim contain contradictory information about what beings were present and what they said.[23][24] Grant H. Palmer points out evidence that Joseph Smith did not speak about the First Vision until a decade after it was said to have occurred.[25] Furthermore, the first published account came 22 years after it was said to have occurred, in 1842, shortly before Smith's death.[25] Some of the accounts only mention a visitation by an angel, while others detail a visit by God the Father and Jesus Christ as separate beings, as in Smith's 1838 account, which Palmer notes is coincidental with a crisis which then developed around the Book of Mormon.[25] The 1838 version is the account which is officially accepted by the LDS church.[26] The earliest known account written by Joseph Smith himself indicates a visitation by Jesus Christ, but does not mention God the Father. Other details of this account differ from the official version[24].

[edit] Criticism that prophecies of Joseph Smith have failed

Main article: Prophecies of Joseph Smith, Jr.
Abanes, the Tanners, and the Institute for Religious Research contend that Joseph Smith could not be a genuine prophet because certain statements he allegedly made that they interpret as prophecies did not come true.[27][28][29] See prophecies of Joseph Smith, Jr. for list of prophecies.

[edit] "Money digging" activities

Main article: Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr.#Work as a treasure hunter and marriage to Emma Hale
Dan Vogel claims that Joseph Smith's treasure hunting activities in his youth[30] (couched by critics as "money digging") lends support to the theory that he fabricated the Book of Mormon.[31] Smith was employed to find treasure using a variety of methods, including scrying[32] and use of divining rods. In 1826, after a former business partner accused him of not coming through on a promise to find treasure, Smith was arrested, and examined by a justice of the peace in Bainbridge, New York.[33]
The Encyclopedia of Mormonism asserts that treasure hunting and divining practices associated with it were common during the life of Joseph Smith; and that it was a necessary part of his development in discerning good from evil.[34] Additionally, apologist Jeff Lindsay claims that the account of the arrest and conviction was either fabricated or mischaracterized in order to defame Smith.[35]

[edit] Kinderhook plates

Main article: Kinderhook plates
Critics, including Fawn M. Brodie,[36] the Tanners, and the Institute for Religious Research[37] call Smith's ability to translate into question by pointing to a purported hoax involving the Kinderhook plates, ancient-looking artifacts reportedly planted in 1843 in an Indian mound near Kinderhook, Illinois. According to Wilbur Fugate in 1879[38], the plates were carefully forged by men from Kinderhook who were hoping to trick their Mormon neighbors in Nauvoo. These critics cite a number of statements to demonstrate that Smith attempted to translate the plates, including page 372 of the Documentary History of the Church (DHC): "I [Joseph Smith] have translated a portion of them, and find they contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the Ruler of heaven and earth".[39]
Diane Wirth argues that the relevant portion of the History of the Church may have been ghost-written by William Clayton, Smith's scribe, despite being in Smith's voice, and cannot be fully attributed to Smith.[40] Other researchers question the reliability of the Fugate confession and point to evidence that the plates could have been authentic.[41]

[TinyJay]

Re: Was Hitler Sent to Heaven or Hell?

But he was a member of the Nazi Party.Did he denounce it at the time or did he have an epiphany at some later date? Kind of like killing 6 million people and then say was that wrong ,I am sorry.A real man would have said no thanks send me off the work camps.I have morals.