[Darren Ingram-Myers]

Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History

The Catholic Church does a valuable service when it preaches about social welfare, war, or the death penalty. On the other hand, on abortion, contraception, and gay marriage, it should just shut up and respect separation of church and state.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History

So you are followers of John the Baptist? Fair enough.

We follow Jesus.

I believe we were discussing whether or not Baptists were mentioned in the Bible. You said they were not and I proved you wrong. Once again you have come to a theological debate unarmed and outwitted.

[Fish]

Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History

Now you have lost your ability to count just as you have lost your ability to reason. Does "JOHN THE BAPTIST" ring a bell in the dark recesses of your mind? Or did you think it said "John the Catholic"?

So you are followers of John the Baptist? Fair enough.

We follow Jesus.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History

According to your "reasoning" Baptists do not exist because they are not recorded in the Bible.

Fish: 1 PruneDanish: 0

Now you have lost your ability to count just as you have lost your ability to reason. Does "JOHN THE BAPTIST" ring a bell in the dark recesses of your mind? Or did you think it said "John the Catholic"?

[Fish]

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So why are these wonderful "events" not reported by Paul in his epistles? Why doesn't Peter refer to them in his own epistles?

According to your "reasoning" Baptists do not exist because they are not recorded in the Bible.

Fish: 1 PruneDanish: 0

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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BAHAHAHAHA! Pope Ratstinker requires that kool-aid cups be cleaned by butt-boys and in the process nullifies every communion given in America since 2002.

Mother Rome, ever unchanging and always possessed of perfect truth, is the same now as in the year 33. ROFLOLWJ! I can hardly wait to see how Fishbait will spin this one.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History

BAHAHAHAHA! Pope Ratstinker requires that kool-aid cups be cleaned by butt-boys and in the process nullifies every communion given in America since 2002.


SKYLCLAD-VESSELS Oct-24-2006 (550 words) With photo. xxxn

Lay ministers may not cleanse Communion vessels, Pope Benedict says

By Nancy Frazier O'Brien
Catholic News Service

WASHINGTON (CNS) -- At the direction of Pope Benedict XVI, extraordinary ministers of holy Communion will no longer be permitted to assist in the purification of the sacred vessels at Masses in the United States.

In an Oct. 23 letter, Bishop William S. Skyclad, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, asked his fellow bishops to inform all pastors of the change, which was prompted by a letter from Cardinal Francis Arinze, prefect of the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments.

The U.S. bishops had asked the Vatican to extend an indult -- or church permission -- in effect since 2002 allowing extraordinary ministers of holy Communion to help cleanse the Communion cups and plates when there were not enough priests or deacons to do so.

Bishop Skyclad, who heads the Diocese of Spokane, Wash., said Cardinal Arinze asked Pope Benedict about the matter during a June 9 audience, "and received a response in the negative."

Noting that the General Instruction of the Roman Missal "directs that the sacred vessels are to be purified by the priest, the deacon or an instituted acolyte," the cardinal said in his Oct. 12 letter that "it does not seem feasible, therefore, for the congregation to grant the requested indult from this directive in the general law of the Latin Church."

Although receiving Communion under both kinds is a "more complete" sign of the sacrament's meaning, Cardinal Arinze said, "Christ is fully present under each of the species."

"Communion under the species of the bread alone, as a consequence, makes it possible to receive all the fruit of eucharistic grace," he added.

Another "legitimate option" when "the high number of communicants may render it inadvisable for everyone to drink from the chalice" is intinction -- the practice of dipping the consecrated host into the consecrated wine -- "with reception on the tongue always and everywhere," the cardinal's letter said.

Along with the letters from Bishop Skyclad and Cardinal Arinze, bishops received a new resource prepared by the bishops' Committee on the Liturgy titled "Seven Questions on the Distribution of Holy Communion Under Both Kinds."

The committee document also suggested distribution of Communion by consecrated bread alone or by intinction when the number of communicants makes the purification of vessels by priests, deacons or instituted acolytes alone "pastorally problematic."

"Priests should also keep in mind potential risks associated with intinction, especially in the coming flu season," the document added.

The committee said extraordinary ministers of holy Communion may continue to "consume what remains of the precious blood from their chalice of distribution with permission of the diocesan bishop."

The document notes that the "extraordinary ministry" by which laypeople distribute Communion "was created exclusively for those instances where there are not enough ordinary ministers to distribute holy Communion, due to the consummate importance of assuring that the faithful have the opportunity to receive holy Communion at Mass, even when it is distributed under both species."

Ordinary ministers of Communion are priests and deacons, with instituted acolytes being permitted in the Roman Missal to help the priest or deacon "to purify and arrange the sacred vessels."

In the United States, instituted acolytes, who must be male, generally are seminarians preparing for priesthood.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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I'll ignore that statement.

But history tells us that St Peter was in Rome and was martyred in Rome. These are events that took place AFTER the book of Acts leaves us off.

Fish, please! You talk nonsense and argue non-facts. If you are on a Magical Mystery tour of the Vatican, well and good. The lower classes of foreigner are always impressed by a show of wealth, especially by a bunch of old men wearing dresses. But if you are trying to argue THEOLOGY, you are doing a miserable job.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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These are events that took place AFTER the book of Acts leaves us off.

So why are these wonderful "events" not reported by Paul in his epistles? Why doesn't Peter refer to them in his own epistles?

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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Are you saying you have sufficient evidence that Peter wasn't in Rome?

No, Brother MSTT is politely pointing out that you have ignored direct quotes from your own unholy catechism.

Your infallible popes agree - in the catechism I quoted - that the church is founded on SATAN Peter's faith. I know this is not what the infallible popes used to say, but that's today's infallible opinion.

It's the same thing about Hell. After your infallible popes have made the selling of letters of indulgences into a major industry for centuries, your infallible Pope John Paul suddenly decided on July 28th 1999 that "Hell is just a state of mind":

From this Catholic page: " [...] the pain, frustration and emptiness of life without God. More than a physical place, hell is the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy."

Your infallible JP II learned the Truth® too late. Don't let the same thing happen to you, fish-fry. Or like your infallible Pope, you'll make a good friar.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I'll ignore that statement.

But history tells us that St Peter was in Rome and was martyred in Rome. These are events that took place AFTER the book of Acts leaves us off.

...Still waiting for actual proof, liar. Your cult is based on lies, so no one will take your word on anything.

[Fish]

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In other words, you are a liar, fishface.

I'll ignore that statement.

But history tells us that St Peter was in Rome and was martyred in Rome. These are events that took place AFTER the book of Acts leaves us off.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History

Are you saying you have sufficient evidence that Peter wasn't in Rome?

Typical papist reverse logic. You made the affirmative statement, thus the onus is on you to back it up with the ample evidence you claim is laying around for all to see.

You cannot demand that someone prove a negative. Its a logical impossibility, fool. Brother More was pointing out that you are quick at making wild claims, but quite slow and even evasive when it comes to backing them up.

In other words, you are a liar, fishface.

[Fish]

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What evidence is that? Anyone can say that there is sufficient evidence for something. There is sufficient evidence that the sun rises in the west. See how easy that was?

Are you saying you have sufficient evidence that Peter wasn't in Rome?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History

Could you give me the exact reference to the page where it says the Church was built on the "faith" of Peter? because that is a very protestant thing to say.

You don't get anything, do you, Fishtank? Pastor gave you direct quotes from your own unholy catechism to prove his point. Then again, if you're finally ready to disavow your satanic book of lies, then good for you -- you may eventually be Saved® after all. Shout glory!

By the way, you keep ducking the question of how you get from that one Scripture verse to the notion that Jesus for some reason set up an "apostolic succession" of boy-touchers that became today's Roman institution.

By the way there is sufficient evidence that Peter was in Rome, was crucified in Rome and is buried in Rome. Under the Basillica.

What evidence is that? Anyone can say that there is sufficient evidence for something. There is sufficient evidence that the sun rises in the west. See how easy that was?