[GOD=life]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

The 'Godly Pastor' also included assumptions. Sounds like a cult to me, do you all live on a big ranch together?

And there we have another atheist going into an atheist rage. Funny how atheists always go from patronizing-but-polite to personal-attack-mode the instant you don't give them what they want.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I don't think claiming that everything is an assumption will invalidate the work that Mark Henry has done. That game won't work Pastor.

I didn't claim everything was an assumption. I only mentioned that the radius of the sun was an assumption, after Mr. Henry had himself already admitted that his figure for the radius of the sun was an assumption, in his proof, as he applied it. Please try to keep up. If you want to criticize me for calling his figure for the radius of the sun an assumption, then you will also have to apply that same criticism to your hero.

There is irrefutable evidence there that the sun isn't 569 miles away and isn't 20 miles wide.

What irrefutable evidence? Do you mean links that you can find on the internet that claim otherwise, but that you don't really understand the logic of and don't know how the authors establish that their premises are true?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[GOD=life]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

No, I live on a farm in Virginia and the good Pastor lives in North Carolina. Had you bothered to look before you made an absurd assumption, just like you have with your calculations, you'd of realized.

Couldn't agree more. This proven fact is now matter of public record.

You cannot build a logical argument when the premises are wrong. Even though the argumentation itself may be logically sound, the conclusion will have no merit.

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

To be honest, they're not random guesses plucked from thin air, they are good observations based on logic and reasoning. I made mistakes in my calculations because I was rushing, however at least I have made a contribution apart from, 'the calculations were based on assumptions'. Makes sense that you work on a farm, not sure there is much else out there for people with an IQ below 34.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

The 'Godly Pastor' also included assumptions.

Do you know what an assumption is? Which premises of mine do you believe to be mere assumptions?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I was referring to the workings out by Mark Henry. Those were certainly not pasted from the internet.

Assuming your spectrometer is working correctly, and the readings are precise etc. I am just saying that you can't pick out things to discredit the argument by saying they are assumptions when there is good reason to believe that they are accurately given.

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Pastor Ezekiel, I apologise. I will keep my vile, heathen, uncleansed opinions to myself. Praise the lord.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

To be honest, they're not random guesses plucked from thin air, they are good observations based on logic and reasoning. I made mistakes in my calculations because I was rushing, however at least I have made a contribution apart from, 'the calculations were based on assumptions'. Makes sense that you work on a farm, not sure there is much else out there for people with an IQ below 34.

Again, another very poorly made assumption! Man, you get that shovel going and you dig and you dig and you dig. Now the hole is to steep and deep to climb out of.
Information about my background is available for all to see.
Double Master from Princeton
Ex-AMEX floor Trader
Retired at 45, Moved from my home in Montclair, NJ to the mountains of Virginia, where I bought a farm for fun and profit.
I think you'll agree, for a man to of accomplished this requires a IQ above your 34. Way above.
You'll notice, my life has not been a series of wild guesses, rushed, poorly made assumptions and faulty logic. One of the many differences between you and I.

[GOD=life]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Observation 1:

To be honest, they're not random guesses plucked from thin air, they are good observations based on logic and reasoning.

Observation 2:

I made mistakes in my calculations because I was rushing

Is this really the most logicaly conclusion?

not sure there is much else out there for people with an IQ below 34.

See, the psychology at work here is that you KNOW you are right, but you can't find intelligent reasoning to support your intellectually weak position. So instead you attempt to insult the intelligence of the opponent even though -- by your admission -- the opponent made good observations while you made mistakes.

Look up "cognitive dissonance" some time when you're not persecuting Christians

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

To be honest, they're not random guesses plucked from thin air, they are good observations based on logic and reasoning. I made mistakes in my calculations because I was rushing, however at least I have made a contribution apart from, 'the calculations were based on assumptions'.

When a calculation uses assumed rather than empirically determined values, then that calculation is based on assumptions. Mr. Henry assumed the radius of the sun. The links that Jamesy posted assumed the distance to the moon and the distance to Venus. You can belly-ache about it all you want, but the fact remains.

I think you made mistakes in your calculations because you were lying about being a mathematician and had no idea how to solve the problem.

Makes sense that you work on a farm, not sure there is much else out there for people with an IQ below 34.

So you believe that all farmers are stupid.

I was referring to the workings out by Mark Henry. Those were certainly not pasted from the internet.

Right, it was own work and it was good stuff. Unlike most of the people who come here and attempt to debate us, that guy is actually capable of doing his own thinking instead of letting others do his thinking for him.

You seem to think that his work disproves what I'm saying. That implies that you actually understood it, which I highly doubt.

I am just saying that you can't pick out things to discredit the argument by saying they are assumptions when there is good reason to believe that they are accurately given.

Please pay attention. HE said HIMSELF that his figure for the radius of the sun was an assumption.

It's still painfully obvious that you have as of yet refused to read the whole thread yet, probably afraid that you'll be disabused of your faith, but there is one post in particular you need to check out:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=446255&postcount=213

I know math is not your strong suit, but please try to follow. I made absolutely no assumptions in that post. Everything is empirically established.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[quests]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Pastor, did you take into account that our earth is a sphere in your calculation of the angle?

If we lived on an even sheet of paper, then your calculations seem correct, but we dont

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Pastor, did you take into account that our earth is a sphere in your calculation of the angle?

If we lived on an even sheet of paper, then your calculations seem correct, but we dont

No, I did not take secular scientists' armchair assumptions about the shape of the earth into account.

The Bible says...

• God created the Earth (Gen 1:1-2).
• God created the firmament, or vault of Heaven, and set it above the Earth (Gen 1:6-8). In the Book of Job, we get a good physical description of the firmament, "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?" (Job 37:18). So the firmament is a strong, solid dome-like structure.
• God created the sun, the moon, and the stars, and set them inside this solid structure called the firmament, to give light to the Earth (Gen 1:14-19)
• There are multiple places in the Bible where something is described as being able to be seen from everywhere on Earth (Dan 4:10-11, Mt 4:8, Rev 1:7). This would only be possible if the Earth were a flat surface, not if the Earth were spherical or polyhedral or whatever other kind of shape you want to imagine.
• The Earth is shaped as a circle (Is 40:22).

So there you have it. The Earth is a flat circle with a solid dome overhead, and all the celestial bodies you see are inside of that dome.

This thread is about the distance from the Earth to the sun. If you want to debate the shape of the Earth or cosmology, we already have other threads on those subjects. Please read them all the way through before posting your argument to avoid re-raising an objection that has already been resolved.

Let's stay on topic, people.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Aristotle]

Balaam

Oh he cannot say damn but one of your pastors can say ass? Does that mean the more spiritual you are the more you can swear?

Of course he can use the word, 'ass'. Its in the Bible(KJV)

Numbers 22:28 "And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

[WWJDnow]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Modern: There is a loooooot of empty space between the sun and the earth. The light from the sun is not disturbed when it travels through this empty space. Much like a bullet that is stopped by a wall, but flies far through the air. This way the light from the sun can cover an immens distance without loosing the heat it brings us. Now this is where yourcalculations, Pastor, come into effect. When light (a form of energy) enters our atmospeher which contains matter (Oxygen, carbondioxide, nitrogen etc.) it heats up the air and the ground making it warm here.

This is totally circular reasoning. First, you assume the existence of this hypothetical empty space, then (without presenting any math, and don't think we didn't notice that) you use that unsupported assumption to fit your model to the data. That's not science, that's fantasy.

[quests]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

No, I did not take secular scientists' armchair assumptions about the shape of the earth into account.

The Bible says...

• God created the Earth (Gen 1:1-2).
• God created the firmament, or vault of Heaven, and set it above the Earth (Gen 1:6-8). In the Book of Job, we get a good physical description of the firmament, "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?" (Job 37:18). So the firmament is a strong, solid dome-like structure.
• God created the sun, the moon, and the stars, and set them inside this solid structure called the firmament, to give light to the Earth (Gen 1:14-19)
• There are multiple places in the Bible where something is described as being able to be seen from everywhere on Earth (Dan 4:10-11, Mt 4:8, Rev 1:7). This would only be possible if the Earth were a flat surface, not if the Earth were spherical or polyhedral or whatever other kind of shape you want to imagine.
• The Earth is shaped as a circle (Is 40:22).

So there you have it. The Earth is a flat circle with a solid dome overhead, and all the celestial bodies you see are inside of that dome.

This thread is about the distance from the Earth to the sun. If you want to debate the shape of the Earth or cosmology, we already have other threads on those subjects. Please read them all the way through before posting your argument to avoid re-raising an objection that has already been resolved.

Let's stay on topic, people.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

So if I can prove that the earth is a sphere you will revise your calculations about the earth-sun-distance?

Would make a pretty big difference.

And i think I've read something about hat the earth is a sphere since The Great Flood happened and the earth soaked it up like a sponge, that was the expression I think that was used. Will have to look it up later.

But it was definately written by a True Christian.