[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

One more thing pastor, I avoided another step to clarify my results. Hydrostatic equilibrium. I just did not want to confuce people even more by going into nuclear physics and the laws which keep our sun burning. Next of is the repulsion of the atoms in the sun. If you take a pot of water and weld the top to the pot, the pot will explode if you boil it. There must be a force counteracting the repulsion, to keep the pot stable (much like our sun). With our sun, it needs a specific amount of mass in oder to overcome the pressure building up by the nuclear reactions in its core. If you want I can do the calculations, but it would be an overkill on information which i would have to present.

[Alsnoy]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

So you know the sun is 159.6 million kilometers away because it takes light 8 minutes and 19 seconds to travel the distance, and you know that the light 8 minutes and 19 seconds to travel the distance because the sun is 159.6 million kilometers away -- am I understanding you correctly?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

So you know God exists because The bibles tells so, and you know that The bible exist because God wrote it -- am I understanding you correctly?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

This is a very good point.

Seems to me some geometry might be helpful here. By measuring the angle of the sun relative to the ground at two different locations we should be able to determine it's distance to Earth.

We sure should be able to determine it that way, shouldn't we. In fact we did so, earlier in this thread:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=446255&postcount=213

One more thing pastor, I avoided another step to clarify my results. Hydrostatic equilibrium. I just did not want to confuce people even more by going into nuclear physics and the laws which keep our sun burning. Next of is the repulsion of the atoms in the sun. If you take a pot of water and weld the top to the pot, the pot will explode if you boil it. There must be a force counteracting the repulsion, to keep the pot stable (much like our sun). With our sun, it needs a specific amount of mass in oder to overcome the pressure building up by the nuclear reactions in its core. If you want I can do the calculations, but it would be an overkill on information which i would have to present.

Well sure, if you assume the sun is powered by nuclear fusion.

So you know God exists because The bibles tells so, and you know that The bible exist because God wrote it -- am I understanding you correctly?

As long as we are agreeing that my faith in God and your faith in a million-mile-away sun are on equal footing, then I am OK with that.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Nico de Vries]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

We sure should be able to determine it that way, shouldn't we. In fact we did so, earlier in this thread:
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...&postcount=213

Ah, that is very cool. Sorry I missed that one.

[GOD=life]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

No, I meant proving them wrong about the distance to the Sun.

How about you stop stealing MarkHenry's moment? This is not about you, self-centered child.

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Pastor, please answer this:
1: at what temperature does coal burn? 5000K?
2: how fast does coal burn? wouldn't the coal in the sun be already used up?

It takes 438 kg (966 lb) of coal to power a computer for one full year.
Commercial coal has a carbon content of at least 70%. Coal with a heating value of 6.67 kWh per kilogram as quoted above has a carbon content of roughly 80%.

At the end of 2006 the recoverable coal reserves amounted around 800 or 900 gigatons. The United States Energy Information Administration give world reserves as 930 billion short tons(equal to 843 gigatons) as of 2006. At the current extraction rate, this would last 132 years.

If you say the sun is smaller than the earth, the coal there would have been used up already, since it has no way of producing its own coal.

I'll do the math and post my results tomorrow. Good night and wait for my calculations.

[GOD=life]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

So you know God exists because The bibles tells so, and you know that The bible exist because God wrote it -- am I understanding you correctly?

[Nico de Vries]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

If you say the sun is smaller than the earth, the coal there would have been used up already, since it has no way of producing its own coal.

Like with any fire, someone could be adding coal...

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Pastor, please answer this:
1: at what temperature does coal burn? 5000K?

In my Weber grill? no. But who knows how hot a 60km radius ball of coal will burn? I'm not aware of any empirical studies on this.

2: how fast does coal burn? wouldn't the coal in the sun be already used up?

This question has already been brought up. We came up with two possible answers. One was that maybe the sun burns but the coal is not actually consumed, like the burning bush in Exodus. The other is that angels keep the sun stoked.

I'll do the math and post my results tomorrow. Good night and wait for my calculations.

I appreciate it, friend. Good night.

Thank you for being intelligent and civil, unlike most of the people who try to debate us.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Jamesy]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

How about you stop stealing MarkHenry's moment? This is not about you, self-centered child.

...I was agreeing with him. You've agreed with the Pastors on several things, are you stealing their moment?

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Mark Henry, good job.

I'm glad someone has finally done what a few of us set (yet failed) to do.

At the end of the day, which it now is, someone with a thorough grasp of physics, not a pastor with a pocket calculator, has established the size of the sun.

I don't think claiming that everything is an assumption will invalidate the work that Mark Henry has done. That game won't work Pastor.

There is irrefutable evidence there that the sun isn't 569 miles away and isn't 20 miles wide. But faith is faith, and for all I care, you can believe that the faries, angels and pixies keep putting coal onto the burning pile above to keep us safe. Praise the big magical man in the sky.

[Nico de Vries]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

There is irrefutable evidence there that the sun isn't 569 miles away and isn't 20 miles wide.

If that evidence would indeed be irrefutable, there would be no discussion about it. Did you actually investigate the arguments in this thread? They are very interesting.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Mark proved nothing. He included assumptions, just like you did, instead of the irrefutable facts the good Godly Pastor used.
Assumptions are not Facts.

[praisescience]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

The 'Godly Pastor' also included assumptions. Sounds like a cult to me, do you all live on a big ranch together?

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

No, I live on a farm in Virginia and the good Pastor lives in North Carolina. Had you bothered to look before you made an absurd assumption, just like you have with your calculations, you'd of realized.

Son, you cannot guess at things and not expect to get caught up in the lies.