[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Viewing through a special lens on my telescope I can say this; Satan is there. He is not alone he has two brothers with him, Mephisto and Baal are there. Every day they are growing stronger, they are causing these terrible events that seem to be happening with more frequency. Revelations shall be coming soon enough, although our great book does not tell us how to save ourselves from Mephisto or Baal. I believe that we can battle these two great evils with our wills. We must seek out the Stone's of Jordan (ancient Holy artifacts) and find out how to use them to destroy the prime evils. This is the only way to be saved. The Devil is not the only great evil of the sun his brothers are just as strong and our great book seemed to have forgotten to mention them but our faith can destroy them!

This is a church where we praise God. I believe you have come on to the wrong website. I think you are thinking about 'the lord of the rings'.
This link may help, www.lordotrings.com

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You have a point dude!!

But at least I dont think that the sun is 500 miles away!!

How much closer do you think it is?

[Hydros]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Indeed, just like the Egyptians

"By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned. "

I think I may have seen the light, my screen has flickered 3 times in the last 2 minutes and a bird is perched on my window. I believe it is a sign that I must travel to the mediterranean and meet a man with a beard who will show me how to tie the bow.

Bobafro I admire you for trying but I honestly think that these guys are beyond help.

They have endured so much religious indoctrination that even when the facts are all laid out bare in simple layman terms they will ALWAYS take the word of a Pastor over the word of a scientist or non-believer.

I understand your frustration in psudo-science being used order to 'Prove' a point which holds no validity, but to be honest even if psudo-science hadn't been used and no pretend number crunching had been done. If the pastor (master) had said it to be true, the true christians (slaves) would believe it.

I know how you maniacs will see this as a good thing too. How you can see ignoring truthful knowledge and proven fact over faith as a good thing, I have no idea.

I'll be honest, I don't think I've had a discussion with a bunch of bible bashers so ignorant, so oblivious to reality, and so so brainwashed by their own beliefs that reason and logic well and truely went out the window long ago. (please don't take offense to this, you can not be that deluded that you can't see for yourselves that you put your faith and reasoning 100% in an old paper book, regardless of the ACTUAL TRIED AND TESTED facts)

It's really weird and frustrating... in one way I detest you and your utter backwards way of thinking... but in another way, I admire you all.

I admire you because even though I believe that the way you live your lives is 100% wrong, I admire the fact that as a group, your actually following your religion to the word... none of this "I kinda like this and that bit of the bible, and I'll ignore the bad bits. But still get into heaven" (e.g, bend the rules to suit the culture or times you live in) which is pretty much what all major religion doe's these days, they tolerate others and their beliefs rather than actually FOLLOW their religion.

I see so many 'religious' people these days who claim they are christian, because it may be the 'in' religion to follow, however none are true followers, as they don't take their religion seriously to the letter. (The same goes for muslims, sikhs, buddhists, etc. Probably any religious group) At least you guys are showing the world the completely insane, sinister, dark, backwards, utterly irresponsible and ridiculous side of religion that really all religions are based upon, and for that, in a weird way, I salute you.

If only more people who claim to be religious were more like you, more like the way the founders of your faiths actually wanted you to be.. then maybe the world would stand up and realize just how dangerous, corrupt and cult like religion (not just yours) in general is, and perhaps realize we should completely abolish it altogether if we ever want to know true peace on this earth, a place where ALL humans can get along and actually cherish this one life we have been blessed with by mother nature.

Because the way you want things to be run, I can't see you guys ever being happy until every person is either a believer or their blood is shed in the name of christ. Sick sad little world we live in.

So back to my point Bobafro,

I have yet to find a way in which to make them understand even the basics of what it actually means to use their brains in a way that is beneficial to mankind, they seem to be incapable of free-thought and incapable of grasping scientific reasoning, as it completely interferes with and contradicts their inseparable bond with the imaginary voice in their head that over the years of mental and probably physical indoctrination they've managed to convince themselves and one another is real and infallible proof.

They don't NEED proof, they have GOD as their proof. I know Bobafro you are trying to reason with them without mentioning their faith, but unfortunately it all goes hand in hand. They will not listen or actually take in what you are saying until they are convinced otherwise that their chosen deity is nothing more than words in a book, that it's just one big fairytale. Until you can convince any of them of this obvious fact... logic and proof means nothing to them. I'm sure even they will agree with that.

I know, I and many other non-believers who have come, gone or been banned on this crazy forum also find this a hard concept to grasp.

Their answer is always 'God said so' or it's some sort of derogatory insult. You have to forgive them though, as they don't know any different way to handle questions they can't answer. They'd much prefer to get you banned or angry.



Roll on the infractions...

[A Follower]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

bla bla bla

I see you whining about us not accepting proof, and us only believing in God and the Bible. Please explain how and why we use actual and real science to support the Biblical facts? Please explain why none of you heathens have posted anything that even remotely looks like proof? All I have seen from you people is ignorance and close-mindedness. Not one of you is willing to listen to anyone but your science books, even though they've been proven to contain errors time and time again. Instead of being a hypocrite you should listen to yourself and open your mind: accept that God is real and that He wants you to believe!

Read 1 Timothy 6:20-21 and find out where you go wrong.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Quote:

It's really weird and frustrating... in one way I detest you and your utter backwards way of thinking... but in another way, I admire you all.

I admire you because even though I believe that the way you live your lives is 100% wrong, I admire the fact that as a group, your actually following your religion to the word... none of this "I kinda like this and that bit of the bible, and I'll ignore the bad bits. But still get into heaven" (e.g, bend the rules to suit the culture or times you live in) which is pretty much what all major religion doe's these days, they tolerate others and their beliefs rather than actually FOLLOW their religion.

I see so many 'religious' people these days who claim they are christian, because it may be the 'in' religion to follow, however none are true followers, as they don't take their religion seriously to the letter. (The same goes for muslims, sikhs, buddhists, etc. Probably any religious group) At least you guys are showing the world the completely insane, sinister, dark, backwards, utterly irresponsible and ridiculous side of religion that really all religions are based upon, and for that, in a weird way, I salute you.


Hydros. I believe you are on this site because you have questions about your life and you have subconciously come here for the answers. I believe you are coming towards the Lord. Maybe one step at a time but I believe that one day we will embrace each over as fellow Christians. In my heart I know this to be true and I think in your heart you know it as well.

Your future brother in Christ

Jack

[Hydros]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Blah blah blah x2 (see we can all be childish)

You Sir, are nothing but a hypocrite. Ignorant and closed-minded? I don't want to get into a slagging match here but you and I obviously differ on the meaning of ignorance and closed mindedness. Because if you were reading what me and others have written on here from an outsiders point of view, I think you'd find that actually it is you who is the ignorant and closed-minded one.

Not one of you is willing to listen to anyone but your science books, even though they've been proven to contain errors time and time again.

What can I say about this sentence that hasn't already been said time and time again?

A) Every one of us is willing to listen to people who are professionally clued up in their particular field of scientific knowledge. If ANYONE is going to know how our body works, it's biologists. If ANYONE is going to understand how the mind works, it's psychiatrists. If ANYONE is going to know how matter works, how time works, how space works, its physicists and astronomers. You get what i'm saying? I put my trust (not entirely, but more than anyone else) in the people whos job it is to know. It's their profession.

Now your pastors profession may be to know the bible inside and out, doesn't mean it's worth anything, or worth anything anywhere near that of a scientists profession. A person could learn the entire works of Shakespeare back to front, but just because they can recite it, doesn't mean its in any way beneficial to humankind.

Wow, congratulations you are very right science has been proven to contain errors time and time again, and who is it that proves this? THE SCIENTISTS THEMSELVES. It's called progress. You wern't born knowing everything you do now, you learnt it along the way, science is nothing but a never ending learning experience. Old 'facts' get disproven, new and greater things are learned. Thats the beauty of science, it doesn't boast or gloat, it doesn't pretend to know everything, even if you've spent your entire life trying to prove something in science, if someone else comes along and disproves it in one foul swoop they are not angry with this person, they rejoice. For a greater understanding has now been acheived and progress has been made. Science has done a lot more for this planet than the bible and its various stories ever has; and you know this.


And to Jack O'fagan

Trust you to highlight in bold the few thing's I've said in your favor and try to turn it into something positive for you to take away. You take it entirely out of context. Joining a religion is exactly the opposite of the point im trying to make here. The jesus loves you card won't fly with me im afraid. Though i am flattered.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Quote: Trust you to highlight in bold the few thing's I've said in your favor something positive for you to take away. You take it entirely out of context. Joining a religion is exactly the opposite of the point im trying to make here. The jesus loves you card won't fly with me im afraid. Though i am flattered.

Praise Be! You are nearly with us Brother, I am praying for the day, I know it will be very soon.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Quote: Trust you to highlight in bold the few thing's I've said in your favor something positive for you to take away. You take it entirely out of context. Joining a religion is exactly the opposite of the point im trying to make here. The jesus loves you card won't fly with me im afraid. Though i am flattered.

Praise Be! You are nearly with us Brother, I am praying for the day, I know it will be very soon.

Glory!

[A Follower]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You Sir, are nothing but a hypocrite. Ignorant and closed-minded? I don't want to get into a slagging match here but you and I obviously differ on the meaning of ignorance and closed mindedness. Because if you were reading what me and others have written on here from an outsiders point of view, I think you'd find that actually it is you who is the ignorant and closed-minded one.

Why don't you review your posts? I have. You have done nothing but claim our science isn't good, insult us by calling the good pastor a madman, make unfounded claims about the sun being 90 million miles away without evidence or tests or even a reason why that would or could be true. We have numbers, tests and science on our side. Have you verified them? Have you done the same tests and gotten different results? Or do you only have lies, insults and made up numbers on your side? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows who is right here and who is wrong. Your attacks and baseless claims prove you to be close-minded, if you had science on your side you wouldn't need to insult us, but if you had science on your side you wouldn't be a raging and screaming atheist, you would be a Christian. True Science is always in perfect accord with the Word of God.

What can I say about this sentence that hasn't already been said time and time again?

A) Every one of us is willing to listen to people who are professionally clued up in their particular field of scientific knowledge. If ANYONE is going to know how our body works, it's biologists. If ANYONE is going to understand how the mind works, it's psychiatrists. If ANYONE is going to know how matter works, how time works, how space works, its physicists and astronomers. You get what i'm saying? I put my trust (not entirely, but more than anyone else) in the people whos job it is to know. It's their profession.

So just because someone has a job automatically makes that person good at that job? Do I really need to point out all the logical fallacies in that or can you fill them in yourself?

Now your pastors profession may be to know the bible inside and out, doesn't mean it's worth anything, or worth anything anywhere near that of a scientists profession. A person could learn the entire works of Shakespeare back to front, but just because they can recite it, doesn't mean its in any way beneficial to humankind.

Because Shakespeare isn't God. God is He who Created the world and everything on it. He knows how He made it. He knows how it works. He knows everything. Reading His Word allows us to know as much as there is to know about the world and the reasons on why it exists and is the way it is. Every letter of the Bible explains more of God, as the Bible says in Matt 5:18, not even the smallest mark in the Bible is irrelevant, that's why knowing the Bible by heart makes a man wise.

Wow, congratulations you are very right science has been proven to contain errors time and time again, and who is it that proves this? THE SCIENTISTS THEMSELVES. It's called progress. You wern't born knowing everything you do now, you learnt it along the way, science is nothing but a never ending learning experience. Old 'facts' get disproven, new and greater things are learned. Thats the beauty of science, it doesn't boast or gloat, it doesn't pretend to know everything, even if you've spent your entire life trying to prove something in science, if someone else comes along and disproves it in one foul swoop they are not angry with this person, they rejoice. For a greater understanding has now been acheived and progress has been made. Science has done a lot more for this planet than the bible and its various stories ever has; and you know this.

Yes, I get what you are saying. You are saying that you are certain that science is wrong, and always will be wrong until an infinite amount of time has passed and all "progress" has been applied to science and it is finally correct. Son, I can assure that at that time your physics book will have exactly the same text as the KJV 1611 Bible.

And what exactly has falsely claiming the sun is far away done for this planet? Nothing. The Bible on the other hand is the source of all justice in society, the Bible is the cause of all good deeds done in the world. The Bible is the reason why some people go to Heaven. No scientist book has ever managed the same.

[Hydros]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Quote: Trust you to highlight in bold the few thing's I've said in your favor something positive for you to take away. You take it entirely out of context. Joining a religion is exactly the opposite of the point im trying to make here. The jesus loves you card won't fly with me im afraid. Though i am flattered.

Praise Be! You are nearly with us Brother, I am praying for the day, I know it will be very soon.

Haha! That did actually make me laugh

[Hydros]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Why don't you review your posts? I have. You have done nothing but claim our science isn't good, insult us by calling the good pastor a madman, make unfounded claims about the sun being 90 million miles away without evidence or tests or even a reason why that would or could be true. We have numbers, tests and science on our side. Have you verified them? Have you done the same tests and gotten different results? Or do you only have lies, insults and made up numbers on your side? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows who is right here and who is wrong. Your attacks and baseless claims prove you to be close-minded, if you had science on your side you wouldn't need to insult us, but if you had science on your side you wouldn't be a raging and screaming atheist, you would be a Christian. True Science is always in perfect accord with the Word of God.

So just because someone has a job automatically makes that person good at that job? Do I really need to point out all the logical fallacies in that or can you fill them in yourself?

Because Shakespeare isn't God. God is He who Created the world and everything on it. He knows how He made it. He knows how it works. He knows everything. Reading His Word allows us to know as much as there is to know about the world and the reasons on why it exists and is the way it is. Every letter of the Bible explains more of God, as the Bible says in Matt 5:18, not even the smallest mark in the Bible is irrelevant, that's why knowing the Bible by heart makes a man wise.

Yes, I get what you are saying. You are saying that you are certain that science is wrong, and always will be wrong until an infinite amount of time has passed and all "progress" has been applied to science and it is finally correct. Son, I can assure that at that time your physics book will have exactly the same text as the KJV 1611 Bible.

And what exactly has falsely claiming the sun is far away done for this planet? Nothing. The Bible on the other hand is the source of all justice in society, the Bible is the cause of all good deeds done in the world. The Bible is the reason why some people go to Heaven. No scientist book has ever managed the same.

Does any other non-believers want to answer this? Because i'm sick and tired of arguing the same points over and over again. Trust me when I say that it's not that I cannot answer your questions, I just feel with everything ive been saying in my past posts, your response is exactly what i've been talking about. Case rested. You have no numbers, tests and science on our side. You have faith. Blind, hopeless faith. No numbers, no tests, no science. Nothing. Nothing you have said can be proven, nothing you have said will be proven. Its all faith.

[True Disciple]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Nothing. Nothing you have said can be proven, nothing you have said will be proven. Its all faith.

Hah! Not proven? You'll see on judgment day!

[Hydros]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

As will you my friend, as will you.

[A Follower]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Does any other non-believers want to answer this? Because i'm sick and tired of arguing the same points over and over again. Trust me when I say that it's not that I cannot answer your questions, I just feel with everything ive been saying in my past posts, your response is exactly what i've been talking about. Case rested. You have no numbers, tests and science on our side. You have faith. Blind, hopeless faith. No numbers, no tests, no science. Nothing. Nothing you have said can be proven, nothing you have said will be proven. Its all faith.

Oh, I forgot you people don't read. You probably saw the thread title and thought "hey, that doesn't match my view of the world, I'd better intimidate and harass them into thinking like I do". You know most people call that sort of behavior fascist... If it weren't for good Christians like me exposing your hatred you would be the next Hitler.

Please take a look at a few of the posts in this thread, specifically http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...57&postcount=1 and http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...0&postcount=52 they show scientific calculations and measurements using scientific equipment that prove our position: all the numbers, science and tests you claim we don't have.

If you had any answers you would post them instead of having to ask other idiots to flaunt their lunacy. If you knew real science you would provide evidence for your statements. If you're sick and tired of arguing the same points over and over then maybe you should provide something to back up your points, or better yet, adjust your position now that you've been confronted with new and better evidence (like you science believers claim to do all the time).

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Does any other non-believers want to answer this? Because i'm sick and tired of arguing the same points over and over again. Trust me when I say that it's not that I cannot answer your questions, I just feel with everything ive been saying in my past posts, your response is exactly what i've been talking about. Case rested. You have no numbers, tests and science on our side. You have faith. Blind, hopeless faith. No numbers, no tests, no science. Nothing. Nothing you have said can be proven, nothing you have said will be proven. Its all faith.

Let me take a crack at this:

Praise the Lord! He has shown me how to prove scientifically that the sun is no more than 500 miles overhead.

Here is the proof:

To start off with, the sun is hot enough to glow yellow, so we can use Wein's Displacement Law to determine the temperature.

Wein's Displacement Law:
Peak Wavelength in meters = displacement constant / temperature in Kelvin

Yellow light has a wavelength between 570nm and 580nm, so we'll solve for 575nm. Since we are working with nanometers rather than meters, we'll simplify the math by multiplying the displacement constant by 10^9.

575 = 2897768.5/T
575 * T = 2897768.5
T = 2897768.5/575
T = 5039.6° K (8611.6° F)

So the sun is about 5039.6° Kelvin.

Now, the average temperature of the earth is 59° F, or about 288° K. The mean temperature gradient of the troposphere is 6° K/km, so let's solve for the distance.

d = (5039.6 - 288)/6
d = 791.9 km (491.1 miles)

There you have it. The sun is roughly 491.1 miles overhead. Depending on the exact shade of yellow (whether it's closer to 570nm or 580nm), this figure could be off by as much as 5 miles. However, I don't have a spectrometer handy, and I'm willing to live with an uncertainty of ±5 miles. It's not like I'm planning to visit anytime soon -- my shoes would melt .

The LORD is so good to me. Praise the sweet name of Jesus.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Add that to the inerrant word of God as scribed in the 1611 KJB, makes it an iron clad case

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