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  • Bacteria proves a young earth!

    A few days back I discovered this thread started by Pastor Billy-Bob Joe or Rueben or whatever his name is. Even at first glance I could tell something was very wrong. This is supposedly rock-solid mathematical proof that the world is 6,000 years old. The more I read it, the more obvious errors appeared. When I showed this to a biologist, we were both quick to conclude the good Pastor Billybob was totally full of it.

    Bacteria undergo meiosis [It’s called mitosis. Meiosis produces gametes, or sex cells. Your post is muddled with small errors like this that betray your mask of expertise. As soon as I saw that, I knew I was in for something ridiculous.] every twenty minutes. This would mean that a given population of bacteria doubles every twenty minutes. Bacteria don't just double without bound, however. They die as well. Not counting new bacteria produced, the half-life of a population of bacteria is twenty minutes plus fifteen microseconds.
    Here’s the first big indicator. The fifteen microseconds measure is way too precise, and no source is provided. No source is provided anywhere in the whole post. Also, bacteria don’t have an infallible rate at which they reproduce. There are millions of strains and none of them reproduce at the same rate all the time.
    All of that is clearly wrong.

    The growth rate of 100%/20 minutes minus the decay rate of 49.99997473%/20 minutes provides bacteria with an overall global growth rate of about 1.1762% annually.

    No source again. You also assume that they all reproduce and die at the same rate, which they don’t. There are also the issues of environment and food. Bacteria can overfeed, starve, and die just like animals can, along with any number of other interferences. And where on earth id you get htat completely random and way too precise 49.99997473% figure?

    There are roughly 5E+30, or 5 nonillian [Spelling errors betray you again. No source either, not to mention that is only a rough estimate.], bacteria on our planet today. If we work backwards from 5E+30 with a 1.1762% growth rate, compounded every twenty minutes, we find that the first bacterium appeared about 6000 years ago, just as Creation Science predicted.
    Okay, that’s just plain ridiculous. This argument is set on false premises, and then you clearly worked backwards to reach a pre-ordained conclusion. Anyone who bothered to look further into it could tell it was fixed.
    Try this on your financial calculator:
    FV=5E+30
    PV=1
    Int=1.1762/(3*24*365.25)%
    compute NPER=157935000 twenty minute intervals

    158045000 / (3*24*365.25) = 6009.77 years.

    Very nice work. I’ll admit you almost had me here. Your attempt to throw us off is not very cleverly disguised. Your advanced-looking math looks technical enough to be believable while just muddled enough to induce the confusion necessary to keep the simple-minded folk on Landover from understanding it, because if they did, the gaping holes in the theory would be obvious.

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    I don’t think Jesus would appreciate this at all.

    There is some rounding going on in there.[There he admits it] I suspect the true number of bacteria on the planet is closer to 5.0004832E+30, [the fixed term to work backward from] which would mean the first bacteria appeared exactly 6010 years and three days ago, on the third day of creation, along with the other plants.
    That gives you away again. Any calculation that precise is simply false. You leave no margin for error at all, which completely kills your theory.

    However, if we assume as the evolutionists do, that the first bacterium appeared 3.5 billion years ago, we wind up with a ridiculously large number of bacteria, approximately 1E+26510000, or 1E+26509970 times the number of bacteria we actually have.

    A single bacterium weighs 95 picograms. The number of bacteria that evolution predicts would weigh 9.5E+26509984 kilograms, a clearly ridiculous value. But our whole planet, including all of the bacteria on it, only weighs about 6E+24 kilograms.

    Most bacteria actually way 1 picogram or less. The way you deliberately muddled your math and used inscrutable ways to describe numbers threw me off a lot. Please state your theory in a more straightforward fashion so it will be easier for me to smash it. In truth, scientists can't find out how many bacteria there really are, much less track their species' growth. This is just just another ridiculous theory, which, like many christian theories before you, can't hold up in real life for more than an hour.

    That's the wacky world of evolution for you!

    Pastor Billy-Reuben

    I don't know... Even string theory sounds more plausible than this.
    I would also like to thank the people on Yahoo answers for helping me with this.
    Have a nice day!

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    Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

    Originally posted by Common Sense Crusade View Post
    A few days back I discovered this thread started by Pastor Billy-Bob Joe or Rueben or whatever his name is. Even at first glance I could tell something was very wrong. This is supposedly rock-solid mathematical proof that the world is 6,000 years old. The more I read it, the more obvious errors appeared. When I showed this to a biologist, we were both quick to conclude the good Pastor Billybob was totally full of it.
    Friend,

    This is an outrageous personal attack against Pastor Billy-Reuben. Frankly if you knew anything about biology you would know the good Pastor's science is as real as the Love of Jesus. I suggest you go back to your books and stop spewing this bile about Billy-Reuben.

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      Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

      I hereby issue a total, sincere apology for any and all slander against the good pastor. I sincerelt apologize for any distress it has caused to him, his family, or any other members of this forum and no such acts shall ensue in the future, though I still maintain he is completely wrong. I shall, in the future, refrain from any personal insults, and just insult the beliefs, not the messanger.

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        Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

        Originally posted by Common Sense Crusade View Post
        I hereby issue a total, sincere apology for any and all slander against the good pastor. I sincerelt apologize for any distress it has caused to him, his family, or any other members of this forum and no such acts shall ensue in the future, though I still maintain he is completely wrong. I shall, in the future, refrain from any personal insults, and just insult the beliefs, not the messanger.
        That is a good move friend and I am sure Christ smiles on it.

        Do not think Pastor Billy-Reuben is somehow "yellow", he is willing to fight for the TRUTH like Jesus fought for our souls.

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          Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

          Sorry, but what does "yellow" mean?

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            Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

            Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
            That is a good move friend and I am sure Christ smiles on it.

            Do not think Pastor Billy-Reuben is somehow "yellow", he is willing to fight for the TRUTH like Jesus fought for our souls.
            Originally posted by Common Sense Crusade View Post
            Sorry, but what does "yellow" mean?
            In the above context, it refers to not being the skin color of a chicken, which is analogous to being afraid. Bobby-Joe state the good Pastor is not a 'chicken/afraid'.

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              Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

              Originally posted by Common Sense Crusade View Post
              Sorry, but what does "yellow" mean?
              Yellow, like a cowardly jap. Which Pastor Billy-Rueben most certainly is NOT!

              Once he returns from his missionary trip to the Galapagos islands (converting all the Darwinist tour-guides down there for Jesus), I'm certain that he'll address your God-mocking hatefulness.

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              • #8
                Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

                Originally posted by Common Sense Crusade View Post
                It’s called mitosis. Meiosis produces gametes, or sex cells.
                If you don't have any intelligent criticisms, I guess you have to jump on the typos.

                The fifteen microseconds measure is way too precise, and no source is provided. No source is provided anywhere in the whole post.
                No source is provided anywhere in your whole post, either. We Christians are a very skeptical bunch, we need evidence before we will accept your arguments, not just your word and that of an unnamed--and probably made up--biologist.

                Also, bacteria don’t have an infallible rate at which they reproduce. There are millions of strains and none of them reproduce at the same rate all the time.
                The good Pastor gave an average rate.

                No source again.
                Hypocrite!

                You also assume that they all reproduce and die at the same rate, which they don’t.
                It's an average.

                There are also the issues of environment and food. Bacteria can overfeed, starve, and die just like animals can, along with any number of other interferences.
                Have you ever seen a bacterium starve? I sure haven't.

                And where on earth id you get htat completely random and way too precise 49.99997473% figure?
                It's in Creation Science for Dummies by Dr. E. Ville.

                Spelling errors betray you again.
                There you go with the typos again. Don't you have anything substantial to say?

                No source either, not to mention that is only a rough estimate.
                You're impossibly biased here. If the good Pastor gives a rough estimate, you say where is the precision? If he gives a precise number, you say it's too precise. Make up your mind, buddy.

                Very nice work. I’ll admit you almost had me here. Your attempt to throw us off is not very cleverly disguised. Your advanced-looking math looks technical enough to be believable while just muddled enough to induce the confusion necessary to keep the simple-minded folk on Landover from understanding it, because if they did, the gaping holes in the theory would be obvious.
                You can't critique his math, so you just start lobbing insults at him. You are shameless. If you don't like a calculation, at least try to present the correct version.

                I don’t think Jesus would appreciate this at all.
                What a shock. You don't know squat about Jesus.

                There is some rounding going on in there.[
                There he admits it]
                Once again, you attack precise numbers as too accurate and rounded numbers as imprecise. You're just an anti-creation science bigot.

                I suspect the true number of bacteria on the planet is closer to 5.0004832E+30,
                [the fixed term to work backward from]
                Conveniently, you don't tell us what you think the right number is.

                That gives you away again. Any calculation that precise is simply false. You leave no margin for error at all, which completely kills your theory.
                Man, this is getting tedious.

                Most bacteria actually way 1 picogram or less.
                There are millions of strains, and they all have different weights. You're weighing the wrong ones, obviously.

                The way you deliberately muddled your math and used inscrutable ways to describe numbers threw me off a lot.
                The way you didn't provide any basis for your criticisms hasn't thrown me off at all. You're just someone who likes to tear down Christianity at all costs. You're probably some kind of Jew who's pissed off because we got your Messiah.

                I would also like to thank the people on Yahoo answers for helping me with this.
                And finally we have the truth. You didn't talk to a biologist. Your "biologist" is just some imaginary friend. In fact, you just got arguments from a bunch of idiots on Yahoo Answers, and brother, does it show.

                Have a nice day!
                You, too. You've done everyone a great service demonstrating how there is absolutely no substance to the arguments of you Darwin worshippers.
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                • #9
                  Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

                  Originally posted by Common Sense Crusade View Post
                  A few days back I discovered this thread started by Pastor Billy-Bob Joe or Rueben or whatever his name is.
                  Which, genius that you are, you couldn't figure out even though you quoted it below.
                  When I showed this to a biologist, we were both quick to conclude the good Pastor Billybob was totally full of it.
                  "A biologist"? Who?
                  Originally posted by Nonsense Crusade
                  I would also like to thank the people on Yahoo answers for helping me with this.
                  People on Yahoo Answers? Any idiot can answer a question there, and claim to be whatever he or she wants. Is that where you found your expert?
                  Here’s the first big indicator. The fifteen microseconds measure is way too precise, and no source is provided. No source is provided anywhere in the whole post. Also, bacteria don’t have an infallible rate at which they reproduce. There are millions of strains and none of them reproduce at the same rate all the time.
                  Where is your source for this information? You have provided no source for any of this. Oh, right:
                  Originally posted by Nonsense Crusade
                  I would also like to thank the people on Yahoo answers for helping me with this.
                  No source again. You also assume that they all reproduce and die at the same rate, which they don’t. There are also the issues of environment and food. Bacteria can overfeed, starve, and die just like animals can, along with any number of other interferences.
                  Your source?
                  Originally posted by Nonsense Crusade
                  I would also like to thank the people on Yahoo answers for helping me with this.
                  Oops, I keep forgetting, being one of the simple-minded people at Landover who knows the difference between "way" and "weigh", and that "Earth", being a proper noun, is capitalized.
                  And where on earth id you get that completely random and way too precise 49.99997473% figure?
                  He calculated it. I'm sorry you can't follow the math. And didn't I just tell you that Earth is capitalized?

                  There are roughly 5E+30, or 5 nonillian
                  [Spelling errors betray you again. No source either, not to mention that is only a rough estimate.]
                  Wait, he acknowledged that it's a rough estimate, and you expect a source for a rough estimate?

                  There is some rounding going on in there.
                  [There he admits it] I suspect the true number of bacteria on the planet is closer to 5.0004832E+30, [the fixed term to work backward from] which would mean the first bacteria appeared exactly 6010 years and three days ago, on the third day of creation, along with the other plants.
                  That gives you away again. Any calculation that precise is simply false. You leave no margin for error at all, which completely kills your theory.
                  No, he proposed a theory. Are you aware of the concept of a "theory"? Or didn't the people at Answers for Yahoos tell you that part?

                  Most bacteria actually way 1 picogram or less.
                  I'm glad you're not the type to point out the typos and/or spelling errors of others as a way of discrediting them. If you were, it would be horribly ironic that you typed "way" when the context of your sentence clearly indicates you meant "weigh".
                  The way you deliberately muddled your math and used inscrutable ways to describe numbers threw me off a lot. Please state your theory in a more straightforward fashion so it will be easier for me to smash it. In truth, scientists can't find out how many bacteria there really are, much less track their species' growth. This is just just another ridiculous theory, which, like many christian theories before you, can't hold up in real life for more than an hour.
                  What's the matter, did the people at Answers for Yahoos not give you adequate responses? "Becky<3Biology12521" couldn't follow Pastor's explanations?

                  Originally posted by WWJDnow View Post
                  If you don't have any intelligent criticisms, I guess you have to jump on the typos.
                  Indeed he did. "Way" to go, eh?

                  No source is provided anywhere in your whole post, either. We Christians are a very skeptical bunch, we need evidence before we will accept your arguments, not just your word and that of an unnamed--and probably made up--biologist.
                  Originally posted by Nonsense Crusade
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                    Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

                    We have two reliable sources — the Holy Bible and Pastor Billy-Reuben's calculations — that confirm each other. You have just a bunch of wild speculation and help from those geniuses at Yahoo Answers. Which should we believe, and why?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

                      Who cares about some fungus growing in the ground? Are you saying that so called "scientists" have more credibility than the bible?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

                        Hello, friend. Please forgive the tardiness of my reply. I am just back from a week-long tent revival. I was away from my computer and left my Blackberry at home (on purpose -- cell phones and such aren't allowed).

                        I am including a link to the original thread here, for reference purposes.

                        Originally posted by NonSense Crusade View Post
                        The more I read it, the more obvious errors appeared.
                        I suspect that the only "obvious errors" you saw are where this true science contradicts your deeply held faith about the age of the Earth.

                        Originally posted by NonSense Crusade View Post
                        It’s called mitosis. Meiosis produces gametes, or sex cells. Your post is muddled with small errors like this that betray your mask of expertise. As soon as I saw that, I knew I was in for something ridiculous.
                        It seems that nit-picky errors like this are almost all you have. I know that eukaryotic cells undergo one and prokaryotic cells undergo the other, but sometimes I have trouble keeping straight which term is which.

                        You couldn't get my name right and your post contained typos. Should I have known that "I was in for something ridiculous" based on that?

                        Originally posted by NonSense Crusade View Post
                        bacteria don’t have an infallible rate at which they reproduce. There are millions of strains and none of them reproduce at the same rate all the time.
                        20 seconds is an average.

                        Originally posted by NonSense Crusade View Post
                        The fifteen microseconds measure is way too precise, and no source is provided. No source is provided anywhere in the whole post.
                        I Googled the phrase "bacterial population half-life" on scholar.google.com, and took the average of the published rates. If you need me to, I'll take a look around and see if I can find my notes. I published that thesis almost two years ago, so I don't have them handy.

                        Originally posted by NonSense Crusade View Post
                        where on earth id you get htat completely random and way too precise 49.99997473% figure?
                        Random? It was calculated from the half life. You seem to be fairly intelligent, so I shouldn't have to show you the math, but I can if you need me too.

                        Originally posted by NonSense Crusade View Post
                        There are roughly 5E+30, or 5 nonillian [Spelling errors betray you again. No source either, not to mention that is only a rough estimate.]
                        The inclusion of the word "roughly" should have clued you in that I am fully aware that the figure is only a rough estimate. Only God knows precisely how many bacteria are on the Earth, and even if He told me, the number would be wrong by the time I finished typing it.

                        Originally posted by NonSense Crusade View Post
                        This argument is set on false premises, and then you clearly worked backwards to reach a pre-ordained conclusion. Anyone who bothered to look further into it could tell it was fixed.
                        Other than the nitpicking errors about my use of mitosis instead of meiosis and my misspelling of nonillion, it seems that your only issue is that you don't trust the numbers I started with. I am sure that the numbers are right, but for the sake of argument, we can try it with your numbers.

                        Please fill in the following:

                        Bacteria doubling rate (average): __________
                        source: __________________

                        Bacterial population half-life (average): __________
                        source: __________________

                        Rough estimate of current number of bacteria on the planet: ____________
                        source: __________________

                        Weight of a bacterial cell (average): __________
                        source: __________________

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                        • #13
                          Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

                          With all due respect, Pastor, what you said about meiosis, mitosis, prokaryotic and eukaryotic cells is incorrect. Your entire body (with the exception of red blood cells) is composed of eukaryotic cells. All cells except sex cells perform mitosis to reproduce. Prokaryotic cells (bacteria, or any cells without a nucleus) are single celled, so they don't need sex cells. I hate to have to defend the godmocking monkey-worshipper, but it is for the good of your argument. And i don't think the fool can answer you either. he got himself banned.

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                            Re: Bacteria proves a young earth!

                            Originally posted by James says hi View Post
                            Prokaryotic cells (bacteria, or any cells without a nucleus) are single celled, so they don't need sex cells.
                            First of all, if they're prokerryotic, then they're antigeorgebushotic, and who cares what they think or say or do? Second, whether you like it or not, it's a simple fact that sex sells. That's why God put the Song of Songs in the Bible.
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