[Meek and Humble]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

The Earth, in my opinion, does revolve around the Sun

We don't care about your dumb opinion, we want the truth.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

PS: to any Christian who is going to respond to this, could you tell me if there's a Bible passage that states that the Earth does not revolve around the sun? Any insight would be appreciated.

Well, we know the sun revolves around the Earth because God stopped the sun in its tracks.

Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.


We also know the Earth does not move because of several Bible passages. The Earth remains still and will never move. Scientists are wrong about evolution and they are wrong about heliocentric "theory".

1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.

Psalms 96:10
Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."

[piercegraham]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

Actually, you're overestimating the effect of centrifugal force, though you are correct in asserting the fact it exists on a rotating body.

Taking the radius of the Earth to be 6.37 million meters and the general formula of 2π*radius, the circumfrence of the Earth is 40,023,856 meters.

By definition, an object on the surface of the Earth would cover all 40,023,856 meters in 24 hours, since that's one period of rotation.

Tangential Velocity can in turn be calculated using the formula 40,023,856/(24*3600). This is equal to 463.26 m/s.

Now, centrifugal force is calculated as M*Vt^2/R, where M is the mass of an object, Vt is tangential velocity, and R is the radius of the rotating object. For sake of simplicity, let's assume a hypothetical object of 50kg sitting on the Earth's surface. Thus (50*463.26^2/6,370,000) or, 1.68 newtons.

At the same time, the force of gravity on a 50kg object on Earth is 9.8m/s*50 or, in more practical terms, 490 newtons.

Therefore, Centrifugal force reduces the pull of gravity by about 0.34%...

Despite the relatively small size of centrifugal force, it actually does cause bulging in the Equator and changes the shape of the Earth, as would be consistent with a rotating body. It's also almost impossible to explain the coriolis effect without taking the Earth to be a rotating body.

Mr Nietzsche,
You seem like a very intelligent man. I will give you a piece of advice: Don't waste your time arguing with these people. You'll never convince them, it's too ingrained in their heads that the Bible is the only explanation. I suggest you spend your time doing something more constructive. All you're doing is wasting your time. Personnally, I joined this site because of a "is your child a goth?" post a few weeks ago, but ive found many more hilarious things. This post being another. The Earth, in my opinion, does revolve around the Sun, we have overwhelming evidence of this.

PS: to any Christian who is going to respond to this, could you tell me if there's a Bible passage that states that the Earth does not revolve around the sun? Any insight would be appreciated.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

i wish hitler could be respawned and create concentration camps for you "True" Christians. Your all idiots, the bible was created over thousands of years ago.. and you still base your lives around it. I believe in God, i'm just not as fanatic as all of you are. You are all equal to the terrorists in the middle east with views which are rediculous. I do not see why you care about other races or what other people do with their lives, you will be judged when you die, so you tell us. Someone argued that if god wanted a coin to move in another direction when in your car, he would have done it, that is true. But then why would of he created black people, jewish people, and atiest people, if he then wanted you to treat them like shit? I love America, but you people make me feel ashamed being part of it.

Listen up maggot;

We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER. We don't sugar-coat it like so many modern day false Christian churches do. If you have a problem with what we are saying, take it up with God.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself and why you hate Jesus.

[Abnormalamerican]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

i wish hitler could be respawned and create concentration camps for you "True" Christians. Your all idiots, the bible was created over thousands of years ago.. and you still base your lives around it. I believe in God, i'm just not as fanatic as all of you are. You are all equal to the terrorists in the middle east with views which are rediculous. I do not see why you care about other races or what other people do with their lives, you will be judged when you die, so you tell us. Someone argued that if god wanted a coin to move in another direction when in your car, he would have done it, that is true. But then why would of he created black people, jewish people, and atiest people, if he then wanted you to treat them like shit? I love America, but you people make me feel ashamed being part of it.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

I don't like the wording "revolves around the Earth" for that just conjures up the idea that other parts of the Earth like Europe and Africa are as important as the United States of America, a country which Sean Hannity once called "the greatest, best nation God has ever given man on the face of the earth." No friends, I not only believe that the sun and all else within this solar system and all solar systems, as well as the other parts of this very globe revolve around America, and it is treason to believe anything else.

hmm, this makes sense. Probably best to view the earth like a record disk with America in the middle and everything rotating around us. No wonder the Europeans try to push this heliocentric nonsense, the TRUTH is just to painful for them and they prefer a fantasy.

blah, blah, blag I made up some facts so I can hate God

yawn. You say something?

[SOCIALISM!]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

The size of the earth does not matter. The fact is secular scientists claim the earth rotates at 800 mph! That is more than the speed of sound. Do you really think you couldn't feel movement at 800 mph? Also, where are the constant sonic booms if the Earth is really moving that fast?

You need a medium for the sound to be created in...

When you speak in the atmosphere, your vocal cords vibrate, causing air molecules to move.

As the Earth is moving through space, there is nothing it can cause to vibrate. There's no sound in space, and therefore, no sonic booms.

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

I don't like the wording "revolves around the Earth" for that just conjures up the idea that other parts of the Earth like Europe and Africa are as important as the United States of America, a country which Sean Hannity once called "the greatest, best nation God has ever given man on the face of the earth." No friends, I not only believe that the sun and all else within this solar system and all solar systems, as well as the other parts of this very globe revolve around America, and it is treason to believe anything else.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

Don't bother reasoning with these atheists, they are all willfully ignorant.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

The earth does spin. The reason we don't notice it is because the earth is so large in relation to the spinning.

The size of the earth does not matter. The fact is secular scientists claim the earth rotates at 800 mph! That is more than the speed of sound. Do you really think you couldn't feel movement at 800 mph? Also, where are the constant sonic booms if the Earth is really moving that fast?

[MariaVanRooijen]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

Imagine you are standing on a merry-go round, you would get dizzy from all the spinning. If you were on the merry-go-round from birth though, you would be use to the spinning and wouldn't notice it. But then the merry-go round starts spinning in the other direction, you would get twice as dizzy and disoriented!

Now, since you've been on Earth your whole life you don't notice the alleged spinning. But if you went to the other hemisphere, you'd be spinning in the opposite direction than you have your whole life, so you would get dizzy, nauseous, even unable to stand. Since this doesn't happen the world must not spin, so the Sun must revolve around the Earth!

The earth does spin. The reason we don't notice it is because the earth is so large in relation to the spinning.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

This is such a fascinating place. There is no end of scientific evidence here that even modern humans evolve at different rates.

It's true, non-Christians are a lesser race. But that's not evolution, friend, it's predestination.

those with recessive genes

Try searching Wikipedia for "recessive gene." It's not what you think it is.

A coin being kept in your car has the same direction of movement as the rest of your car.

If God had wanted it to have a different direction of motion but still stay in the car, then that's the way it would have been.

All objects in the universe move, so motion can only be defined in terms of comparison with other objects.

If all motion is defined only in terms of comparison with other objects, then how do you know there isn't one object that doesn't really move at all?

Taking the radius of the Earth to be 6.37 million meters

You can stop right there. We don't buy into that metric system BS here, we know it was just invented by the athiest French to make math so complicated that nobody could spot the fallacies in their specious arguments. Please restate your argument in cubits. If you can.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

Actually, you're overestimating the effect of centrifugal force, though you are correct in asserting the fact it exists on a rotating body
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The issue isn't "does the earth rotate" it is does the "earth orbit the sun". None of what you discussed proved that the earth orbits the sun.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

Blah blah blah. That's not what the Bible says.

[F. Nietzsche]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

If the Earth was revolving around the sun (and also rotating at 800 mph), we would have no atmosphere. It would blow off into space. Also, we would have no gravity, because centrifugal force would blow us (and everything) out into space, along with the atmosphere.

Here's a science experiment that you can use to debunk earth's rotation: Take a beach ball and lightly tape a small object (a penny, toy figurine, etc.) so that it won't fall of the ball when stationary but is not so tightly taped to it either. Now throw the ball up in the air and make sure you spin it very fast. What will happen? The object gets thrown off the ball by centrifugual force.

This proves the earth does not rotate, and hence does not revolve around the sun.

Actually, you're overestimating the effect of centrifugal force, though you are correct in asserting the fact it exists on a rotating body.

Taking the radius of the Earth to be 6.37 million meters and the general formula of 2π*radius, the circumfrence of the Earth is 40,023,856 meters.

By definition, an object on the surface of the Earth would cover all 40,023,856 meters in 24 hours, since that's one period of rotation.

Tangential Velocity can in turn be calculated using the formula 40,023,856/(24*3600). This is equal to 463.26 m/s.

Now, centrifugal force is calculated as M*Vt^2/R, where M is the mass of an object, Vt is tangential velocity, and R is the radius of the rotating object. For sake of simplicity, let's assume a hypothetical object of 50kg sitting on the Earth's surface. Thus (50*463.26^2/6,370,000) or, 1.68 newtons.

At the same time, the force of gravity on a 50kg object on Earth is 9.8m/s*50 or, in more practical terms, 490 newtons.

Therefore, Centrifugal force reduces the pull of gravity by about 0.34%...

Despite the relatively small size of centrifugal force, it actually does cause bulging in the Equator and changes the shape of the Earth, as would be consistent with a rotating body. It's also almost impossible to explain the coriolis effect without taking the Earth to be a rotating body.