[F. Nietzsche]

Re: Happy Birthday to you....

But if the Earth was just a bit over 6000 years in age? Wouldn't that imply that the Universe is also around the same age, give or take a day.

If that is the case, why is the envelope of causality for the observable universe closer to 14 billion light years rather than 6012 light years? The former implies an age of the universe in the range of billions of light years, while the latter would be expected if the Young Earth theory were factual.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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But if the Earth was just a bit over 6000 years in age? Wouldn't that imply that the Universe is also around the same age, give or take a day.

If that is the case, why is the envelope of causality for the observable universe closer to 14 billion light years rather than 6012 light years? The former implies an age of the universe in the range of billions of light years, while the latter would be expected if the Young Earth theory were factual.

Your numbers are all wrong. Don't buy into the secular scientifical agenda. God knows best, and if you doubt that for even a second, you are condemning yourself to hellfire.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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But if the Earth was just a bit over 6000 years in age? Wouldn't that imply that the Universe is also around the same age, give or take a day.

If that is the case, why is the envelope of causality for the observable universe closer to 14 billion light years rather than 6012 light years? The former implies an age of the universe in the range of billions of light years, while the latter would be expected if the Young Earth theory were factual.

Already answered here. Now explain to Jesus (and us) why you hate Him so much.

[F. Nietzsche]

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Already answered here. Now explain to Jesus (and us) why you hate Him so much.

Two rather important issues involving that point.

1) White holes violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Ironic, no?

2) Time dialation would require the Earth to be moving at relativistic speeds near the speed of light. At such levels, a large proportion of the mass would be converted into energy, making such a cosmology impossible.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Two rather important issues involving that point.

1) White holes violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Ironic, no?

So does evolution. If Charles Darwin can break the law why can't Jesus? Let us try to be fair here.

[F. Nietzsche]

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So does evolution. If Charles Darwin can break the law why can't Jesus? Let us try to be fair here.

Actually, Evolution doesn't, despite insistence by many creation scientists that it does. In part, this can be assigned to the need for a close reading of the law.

In a closed system, entropy will always increase.

The key word is closed system. Earth's biosphere is not a closed system due to continuous energy input from the sun, therefore, entropy can be somewhat more variable in the biosphere as a microsystem.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Actually, Evolution doesn't, despite insistence by many creation scientists that it does. In part, this can be assigned to the need for a close reading of the law.

In a closed system, entropy will always increase.

The key word is closed system. Earth's biosphere is not a closed system due to continuous energy input from the sun, therefore, entropy can be somewhat more variable in the biosphere as a microsystem.

Well under the Creationist White Hole theory we also have an open system adding energy; God. I would say the fact that this happened (as clearly described in The Bible) is another proof for the existence of God. All do you need is to be open minded and not automatically rule out supernatural explanations friend.

You have the Sun, we have The Son.

[F. Nietzsche]

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Well under the Creationist White Hole theory we also have an open system adding energy; God. I would say the fact that this happened (as clearly described in The Bible) is another proof for the existence of God. All do you need is to be open minded and not automatically rule out supernatural explanations friend.

You have the Sun, we have The Son.

It's not so much that issue as it is one with how white holes work. They do in fact exist as solutions to Einstein's equations, but only in the context of Schwarzchild wormholes as the opposite end of a black hole existing in one universe.

The issue is the white hole solution is a negative square root, that is, an imaginary number. It also decreases the entropy of our universe and opens the black hole system.

Amusingly enough, that would impact the emission of Hawking radiation from the black hole because it would fundamentally change the geometry of those objects, while also changing their physical characteristics. A white hole in our universe would also imply another universe's existence.


Schwarzchild wormholes are also rather unstable. Objects passing through the black hole would probably be crushed in the singularity before even passing through to the next universe, and it's doubtful the point between the two would actuall open to allow matter to travel.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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It's not so much that issue as it is one with how white holes work. They do in fact exist as solutions to Einstein's equations, but only in the context of Schwarzchild wormholes as the opposite end of a black hole existing in one universe.

The issue is the white hole solution is a negative square root, that is, an imaginary number. It also decreases the entropy of our universe and opens the black hole system.

Amusingly enough, that would impact the emission of Hawking radiation from the black hole because it would fundamentally change the geometry of those objects, while also changing their physical characteristics. A white hole in our universe would also imply another universe's existence.


Schwarzchild wormholes are also rather unstable. Objects passing through the black hole would probably be crushed in the singularity before even passing through to the next universe, and it's doubtful the point between the two would actuall open to allow matter to travel.

Blah blah blah.

Why are you hijacking this thread?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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It's not so much that issue as it is one with how white holes work. They do in fact exist as solutions to Einstein's equations, but only in the context of Schwarzchild wormholes as the opposite end of a black hole existing in one universe.

The issue is the white hole solution is a negative square root, that is, an imaginary number. It also decreases the entropy of our universe and opens the black hole system.

Amusingly enough, that would impact the emission of Hawking radiation from the black hole because it would fundamentally change the geometry of those objects, while also changing their physical characteristics. A white hole in our universe would also imply another universe's existence.


Schwarzchild wormholes are also rather unstable. Objects passing through the black hole would probably be crushed in the singularity before even passing through to the next universe, and it's doubtful the point between the two would actuall open to allow matter to travel.

Can you prove any of that, using the King James Bible?

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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It's not so much that issue as it is one with how white holes work. They do in fact exist as solutions to Einstein's equations, but only in the context of Schwarzchild wormholes as the opposite end of a black hole existing in one universe.

The issue is the white hole solution is a negative square root, that is, an imaginary number. It also decreases the entropy of our universe and opens the black hole system.

Amusingly enough, that would impact the emission of Hawking radiation from the black hole because it would fundamentally change the geometry of those objects, while also changing their physical characteristics. A white hole in our universe would also imply another universe's existence.


Schwarzchild wormholes are also rather unstable. Objects passing through the black hole would probably be crushed in the singularity before even passing through to the next universe, and it's doubtful the point between the two would actuall open to allow matter to travel.

I don't know what backwards "school" you went to, but I was under the impression that we were talking about science here, not Greek and Latin pseudo-words.

[Brother Enoch]

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It's not so much that issue as it is one with how white holes work. They do in fact exist as solutions to Einstein's equations, but only in the context of Schwarzchild wormholes as the opposite end of a black hole existing in one universe.

The issue is the white hole solution is a negative square root, that is, an imaginary number. It also decreases the entropy of our universe and opens the black hole system.

Amusingly enough, that would impact the emission of Hawking radiation from the black hole because it would fundamentally change the geometry of those objects, while also changing their physical characteristics. A white hole in our universe would also imply another universe's existence.


Schwarzchild wormholes are also rather unstable. Objects passing through the black hole would probably be crushed in the singularity before even passing through to the next universe, and it's doubtful the point between the two would actuall open to allow matter to travel.

You've been watching too much Star Trek, friend.

Read this slowly: It's...a...TV...show!

It's not real!

God is real! The KJV is real! Trekkies are losers!

Move out of your mommy's basement, get a girlfriend, get a job and leave The Faithful™ to discuss reality.

[F. Nietzsche]

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I don't know what backwards "school" you went to, but I was under the impression that we were talking about science here, not Greek and Latin pseudo-words.

It is science, not, as you imply, mere bandying of Greek and Latin words, nor something derived from Star Trek.

The problem with white hole cosmology is directly related to the mathematics. Traversible wormholes exist only in the context of Schwartzchild geometry, and only then in an impossible solution involving a negative square root.

If you needed to see the particular metric for Schwarzchild solutions it is c^2dτ^2= (1 - rs/r) c^2dt^2 - dr^2/(1- rs/r) - r^2(dθ^2 + sine^2θdφ^2)

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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It is science, not, as you imply, mere bandying of Greek and Latin words, nor something derived from Star Trek.

The problem with white hole cosmology is directly related to the mathematics. Traversible wormholes exist only in the context of Schwartzchild geometry, and only then in an impossible solution involving a negative square root.

If you needed to see the particular metric for Schwarzchild solutions it is c^2dτ^2= (1 - rs/r) c^2dt^2 - dr^2/(1- rs/r) - r^2(dθ^2 + sine^2θdφ^2)

This is a very powerful prayer against Witchcraft. This prayer can shut down witches and satanists forever. Being that this prayer basically shuts down the senders of the hexes and vexes by returning their evil to them sevenfold. I urge all True Christians(tm) to SHOUT THIS PRAYER OUT RIGHT NOW and chase this demon away!!

Father,
In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I plead the precious uncorruptable blood of Jesus over myself and my family and everything that belongs to us. I ask for giant warrior Angels to be loosed from Heaven to surround and protect us. As your war club and weapons of war I break down, undamn, and blow up all walls of protection around all witches, warlocks, wizards, satanists, and the like, and I break the power of all curses, hexes, vexes, spells, charms, fetishes, physic prayers, physic thought, all witchcraft, sorcery, magic, voodoo, all mind control, jinxes, potions, bewitchments, death, destruction, sickness, pain, torment, physic power, physic warfare, prayer chains, and everything else being sent my way or my family members way, and I return it and the demons to the senders right now!, SEVENFOLD, and I BIND it to them by the Blood of Jesus!

Father, I pray that these lost souls will find the light of your son Jesus.. Their own snares and traps have been set against themselves.. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I now loose them from all mindcontrol of satan!.. Father I also ask that you Bind the Holy Spirit to there hearts as a guide to your son Jesus.. So they may be set free from the bondages of satan.

In Jesus name I pray..
Amen

[F. Nietzsche]

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This is a very powerful prayer against Witchcraft. This prayer can shut down witches and satanists forever. Being that this prayer basically shuts down the senders of the hexes and vexes by returning their evil to them sevenfold. I urge all True Christians™ to SHOUT THIS PRAYER OUT RIGHT NOW and chase this demon away!!

Father,
In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I plead the precious uncorruptable blood of Jesus over myself and my family and everything that belongs to us. I ask for giant warrior Angels to be loosed from Heaven to surround and protect us. As your war club and weapons of war I break down, undamn, and blow up all walls of protection around all witches, warlocks, wizards, satanists, and the like, and I break the power of all curses, hexes, vexes, spells, charms, fetishes, physic prayers, physic thought, all witchcraft, sorcery, magic, voodoo, all mind control, jinxes, potions, bewitchments, death, destruction, sickness, pain, torment, physic power, physic warfare, prayer chains, and everything else being sent my way or my family members way, and I return it and the demons to the senders right now!, SEVENFOLD, and I BIND it to them by the Blood of Jesus!

Father, I pray that these lost souls will find the light of your son Jesus.. Their own snares and traps have been set against themselves.. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I now loose them from all mindcontrol of satan!.. Father I also ask that you Bind the Holy Spirit to there hearts as a guide to your son Jesus.. So they may be set free from the bondages of satan.

In Jesus name I pray..
Amen

Pastor, I fail to see how a prayer against witchcraft or the accusations of me being a witch are entirely relevant to the discussion of white hole cosmology. It was, after all, your church members who postulated such an idea, which I simply replied to using the current understanding of white holes as they relate to modern physics. Witchcraft is not something I practice or acknowledge as possible. Mathematics and physics are not witchcraft as they don't claim to be in any shape or form a supernaturally derived practice, but are rather grounded firmly in objective understanding of the universe in which we live.

I bear no ill will towards the individual members of this church, and I certainly am not practicing any form of sorcery against it. That would be completely absurd and totally contrary to my own understanding of the universe as operating within rational and mathematically definable bounds.