[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

If the Earth was flat why would anyone need to claim it was a globe.

I have no idea. It seems like a waste of time to me.

We now have science.

Sure... PROOF scientists are liars (The Times).

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

So how can there be different versions of the bible if it is supposed to be indisputable fact, and how can something written 1611 years after Jesus' birth be the correct version.

I can clear that up for you. There are something like 3,000 Bible versions out there, and all but one of them are false satanic versions. Please take a look at my sermon on the subject HERE to see how to tell which version is the one TRUE Word of God.

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

He is nothing more than a pastor, he did not study any at any of the great theological colleges, to truly understand your own religion you must study others he clearly hasn't

I wouldn't have though it possible for people to be so ignorant of scientific fact.

A volcano going off is not an act of God or a sign of his existence, it can easily be explained by plate tectonics and understanding the make up of the mantle and the core.

You responded once with nonsensical rubbish and have failed to respond to my subsequent comments, just like you have now dropped the point s about aircraft and GPS satellites.

Ignoring individual little points it is easy to dismiss religion. For what you claim to be true, almost every scientist since Ancient Greek times (they first hypothesised the atom) to the present day, all western and many eastern and 3rd world governments and science teachers across the world would all have to be part of an elaborate conspiracy of an unimaginable scale. If everything you claim is true it would be a lot easier and cost a lot less energy, effort and money to accept it. If the Earth was flat why would anyone need to claim it was a globe.

Religion is a relic from a time when we had no understanding of the world and needed explanations. We now have science. Religion is a tool used to exert power on the common people. You do not celebrate Christmas on the 25th of December because Jesus was born then but because it meant the pagans in Britain, Gaul and Germanium were able to keep their mid-winter feast and therefore avoid rebellions when Constantine converted the Roman Empire to Christianity.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

a very curved looking horizon, note from a USAF U2 plane.

A nice photo showing earth to be a large disk. What is your point?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

a very curved looking horizon, note from a USAF U2 plane.

Trick photography.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c



a very curved looking horizon, note from a USAF U2 plane.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

I don't accept him as a reliable theologist.

Huh???

alpha centauri

So according to you NASA claims they went there? Amazing, you are even crazier than NASA, I would not have thought that to be possible.

yet you fail to point to anything larger than a hint, and no jesus' face on toast is not a hint or a sign its a sad person with a blow torch.

You consider a volcano to be a too small a hint? What would it take then? The entire sun exploding in your face?

I notice you have failed to respond to the points about nuclear missiles, a better view the higher you get and sailing around the world, is this you trying to avoid admiring being wrong?

I already responded to those, please read more carefully.

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

I don't accept him as a reliable theologist.

i never said triangulation requires a globe but the measurement the satelites use need to be corrected to account for the thousands of mph they are doing while in orbit of a globe, not a disc.

alpha centauri

you don't go several thousand miles further to avoid the jet stream, and seeing as the jet stream is directly above Britain in the summer months it doesn't matter which route they take they will still hit it.

yet you fail to point to anything larger than a hint, and no jesus' face on toast is not a hint or a sign its a sad person with a blow torch.

I notice you have failed to respond to the points about nuclear missiles, a better view the higher you get and sailing around the world, is this you trying to avoid admiring being wrong?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

So how can there be different versions of the bible if it is supposed to be indisputable fact, and how can something written 1611 years after Jesus' birth be the correct version.

You didn't click on the link I provided? Here it is again: Seven easy ways to tell the True Bible from the false ones.

Triangulation where they are rotating around a globe.

Where did you get the silly idea that triangulation requires a globe? It is a triangle, all it needs is 3 locations.

Yes NASA do and so does the European Space Agency and the Russian Space agency

So according to you they claimed that they visited other solar systems? Which solar systems do you think they visited then?

altitude and wind have nothing to do with anything

Aircraft pilots will all disagree with you on that. Did you really never hear of jet streams?

A hint isn't really the same as a messiah is it?

You brought up hints, not me.

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

So how can there be different versions of the bible if it is supposed to be indisputable fact, and how can something written 1611 years after Jesus' birth be the correct version.

Triangulation where they are rotating around a globe.

that's a bumer then because all your defence plans were based on this idea and you wanted to send your own nukes over the Arctic.

Yes NASA do and so does the European Space Agency and the Russian Space agency

That doesn't make sense because for you to go in a very large circle you would have to sail over the top of N. American and Asia, through the fabled North West Passage.

That is only true if there are small hills but if you are facing the sea the higher up a cliff you climb the further the horizon is, and once you are above a certain point, say a few dozen feet, tress and hills are not going to get in your way but your view keeps stretching.

altitude and wind have nothing to do with anything, if the world is flat the quickest rout is to fly straight across not around the bump.

Catholics are the hard ones, the church of England, from which you sprouted if you are related to English pilgrims, or the Calvinists if you are related to the Dutch are much softer.

A hint isn't really the same as a messiah is it?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

Just a quick question for the Bible experts.
If the Bible is God's word why did the Romans choose what went in?

The only true version of the Holy Bible was made around 1611 by the men of King James.

Why have certain sections been removed over the years, such as the strongly Anti-Semitic ones?

Again, only the KJV1611 version is valid. All other versions are not. Seven easy ways to tell the True Bible from the false ones.

do GPS satellites work if they are based on calculations where the Earth is round?

GPS is based on triangulation. No globe is needed for that.

was the quickest route fro Soviet nukes to hit the USA to go over the Arctic?

It is not, but we do not mind the Soviets thinking that it is .

have space exploration vehicles reached other solar systems, none of which orbit ours or the Earth?

Not even NASA claims they ever did something like that.

is it possible for people to sail around the world?

Of course, just go in a very large circle.

can you see more the higher you climb?

Yes, because things like trees and small hills will no longer obstruct your view.

do planes that according to you use flat maps, fly over Greenland, Canada and Detroit on their way to Washington from the UK if on a flat map the shortest route is to fly in a straight line across the Atlantic?

You seem to forget to take high altitude wind into consideration here.

if God got rid of all the bad people with the great flood, are there still sinners?

Yes there are still sinners. Imagine what life must have been like before the flood!

if Christianity is a religion based of forgiveness do you preach hatred and racism and believe in capital punishment?

You are mistaking us for Catholics who only read the fluffy parts of the Bible. God can be quite hateful. Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."

after 2000 years has God still not bothered to send even the slightest hint that he exists other than crazy raving homeless people?

He gives us hints all the time. You just have to pay attention. Just recently a volcano erupted in Iceland after we prayed for that to happen!

If God made us perfect

Where did you get that silly idea?

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

I've lost the debate because you failed to answer any of my questions?
why can we bite our cheeks accidentally if we are perfect is a legitamate question.
Even if you ignore the last 2 questions, you can not sensibly answer any of my other questions.

look the name Vera Drake up, it has significance.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

just thought of two more:

If God made us perfect why:

do we bite our own tongues/cheeks by accident when eating?

do we have massive blind spots?

Vera,

Be an adult admit you lost the debate here? Ok?

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

just thought of two more:

If God made us perfect why:

do we bite our own tongues/cheeks by accident when eating?

do we have massive blind spots?

[Vera Drake]

Re: Proof: The Earth is Flat! No matter what idiotic scientists c

Just a quick question for the Bible experts.
If the Bible is God's word why did the Romans choose what went in?
Why have certain sections been removed over the years, such as the strongly Anti-Semitic ones?
If the Earth is flat why:

do GPS satellites work if they are based on calculations where the Earth is round?

was the quickest route fro Soviet nukes to hit the USA to go over the Arctic?

do we have different seasons? (conventional science points to the fat that the Earth rotates on a slanted axis)

can't you see the whole of the Earth from space?

have space exploration vehicles reached other solar systems, none of which orbit ours or the Earth?

is it possible for people to sail around the world?

can you see more the higher you climb? (conventional wisdom holds you can see further over the curve)

do planes that according to you use flat maps, fly over Greenland, Canada and Detroit on their way to Washington from the UK if on a flat map the shortest route is to fly in a straight line across the Atlantic?

do dinosaurs not feature in the bible?

is it possible for nuclear fission or fusion if things are not made of atoms?

are people able to criticise God without being smitten down?

doesn't everyone agree with you if your "proof" is so unequivocal?

are there so many different forms of Christianity, surely if the Bible is absolute fact it can not be interpreted in different ways?

did God bother creating black people, Arabs, or any other non-white Christian race if he only likes white Christians?

if God got rid of all the bad people with the great flood, are there still sinners?

if Christianity is a religion based of forgiveness do you preach hatred and racism and believe in capital punishment?

after 2000 years has God still not bothered to send even the slightest hint that he exists other than crazy raving homeless people?

Take your time to answer. I know it will take a while for you to come up with answers to so many questions, but I am interested in how Christianity disproves/dismisses/brushes under the carpet these questions.