[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

The universally accepted theory between scientists is that gravity is as an attractive force between two bodies.

"Theory" being the operative word here. Even a little child can witness that if you hold two objects close together that they are not attracted to each other. Unless they are magnets that is. And since you claim to have a science background you are no doubt aware that there is no scientific model properly explaining gravity. Billions of tax payers dollars are wasted on a huge donut in Switzerland which might find the Higgs-boson particle which might explain gravity. In the meantime gravity is just unfounded nonsense.

Without being rude, which real scientists are you referring to? I would be interested in the names of these scientists and evidence showing their research, the papers they have published in credible scientific journals.

We usually refer to the one and only real scientist. The one who created everything: God. He conveniently put a book together which explains it all: The KJV1611 Holy Bible. Source? God!

Ok about the pictures. Brother Alex you have said yourself in this thread that surrounding the flat earth is a huge wall of ice. How come if these are indeed the end of the earth we can see no ice in any of these pictures? Your evidence does not support the theory.

You are mistakenly assuming Earth is static. It is not. As we invent new ways of travel, God makes changes to protect us. The border of Earth used to be water, but at some point God froze the water to better protect us against our own stupidity.

This is a painting.

Of course it is. They did not yet have photo cameras when it was made. You are aware of something called "history" I hope?

[2 Timothy 3:16]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I have noticed several debates on this particular subject here. To all you godless atheists out there, let's settle this once and for all...

Hi Alex,

I’m honored to meet you as I have never met anyone who really thinks that the earth is flat before. I wish I could shake your hand.

Let’s look at your passages one at a time and follow Pastor Billy-Rueben’s instructions in this post: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=110845&postcount=2, shall we?

In the modern world it has become a widely spread lie that the earth is round. Of course, this is impossible. If the earth is round, then why don't people just fall off at the bottom?

The answer is simple: The Earth is not round!

Now, if we take a look at some scripture, it clearly tells us the earth is not round but flat:

Jeremiah 16:19:
O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

According to Jeremiah 16:19, the earth has ends. There is no way a spherical earth could have ends, and therefore the earth must be flat.

First of all, “the ends of the earth” is a figure of speech that us round-earthers (both today and in 1611) use all the time. Second, the word translated here as “earth” is the same word in Jeremiah 16:18 that is translated as “land.” In fact there are many, many instances of this word being translated as “land” in the book of Jeremiah in the KJV. I’ll get you a list if you want them, but I’m sure you can also get it yourself if you want it. I think that “earth” is a fine translation as long as one reads the phrase in its normal sense (as a child would) meaning “from everywhere”.

The Book of Revelation tells a similar story:

Revelation 7:1:
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

A spherical earth cannot have corners, it is scientifically impossible. The only logical explanation is that the earth is flat. Checkmate atheists!

While I can appreciate a good argument against atheists, this is not one of them. Using your own logic, a flat, circular earth cannot have corners either. Maybe a square or a rectangle though? This is another of those figures of speech that even a child could understand.

Isaiah 40:22:
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Ah yes, the old “circle” of the earth argument. I do appreciate this, but it is not as airtight of an argument as you make it out to be. Yes, the text says circle. And it even says it in the original Hebrew text. However, the Hebrew language in Isaiah’s day did not have a word for “sphere.” “Circle” is the next-best word and it does capture the essence of what Isaiah writing here, that God is sovereign (sitteth upon the circle of the earth), He is mighty (the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers), and He is Creator (that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in). This is a magisterial passage, but unfortunately, it does not support your position.

Nice to meet you though!

[Brother Alex]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

First of all, “the ends of the earth” is a figure of speech that us round-earthers (both today and in 1611) use all the time. Second, the word translated here as “earth” is the same word in Jeremiah 16:18 that is translated as “land.” In fact there are many, many instances of this word being translated as “land” in the book of Jeremiah in the KJV. I’ll get you a list if you want them, but I’m sure you can also get it yourself if you want it. I think that “earth” is a fine translation as long as one reads the phrase in its normal sense (as a child would) meaning “from everywhere”.

Why are you mocking God's Word? We only follow the Authorized King James Version of 1611 here, not the satanic ones. The Holy Bible KJV1611 clearly says "earth", not "land".

While I can appreciate a good argument against atheists, this is not one of them. Using your own logic, a flat, circular earth cannot have corners either. Maybe a square or a rectangle though? This is another of those figures of speech that even a child could understand.

These four corners refer to the locations of the four pillars of the earth. What is your point anyway?

Ah yes, the old “circle” of the earth argument. I do appreciate this, but it is not as airtight of an argument as you make it out to be. Yes, the text says circle. And it even says it in the original Hebrew text. However, the Hebrew language in Isaiah’s day did not have a word for “sphere.” “Circle” is the next-best word and it does capture the essence of what Isaiah writing here, that God is sovereign (sitteth upon the circle of the earth), He is mighty (the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers), and He is Creator (that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in). This is a magisterial passage, but unfortunately, it does not support your position.

The Holy Bible KJV1611 (the only true version) is written in American, not Hebrew. If God meant to say "sphere" he would have done so, but it clearly says "circle" and not "sphere". Why are you trying to bear a false witness against our Lord? Are you even a Christian? Why do you hate Jesus?

[2 Timothy 3:16]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Why are you mocking God's Word? We only follow the Authorized King James Version of 1611 here, not the satanic ones. The Holy Bible KJV1611 clearly says "earth", not "land".

The KJV1611 is what I quoted from. See it for yourself. All I was saying is that the same word in Jeremiah that the KJV1611 translators rendered "earth" in verse 19 was rendered "land" in verse 18. I just meant to show that the same word has different meanings depending on the context. I do NOT dispute that it says "earth" in verse 19 nor do I dispute that this is a good translation of it. I only say that the word does have different shades of meaning depending on the context. That's all.

These four corners refer to the locations of the four pillars of the earth. What is your point anyway?

My point is twofold. First, a circular earth cannot have corners because circles do not have corners. Second, if God meant to say "pillars," He would have said "pillars." Sound familiar?

The Holy Bible KJV1611 (the only true version) is written in American, not Hebrew. If God meant to say "sphere" he would have done so, but it clearly says "circle" and not "sphere". Why are you trying to bear a false witness against our Lord? Are you even a Christian? Why do you hate Jesus?

It is not "written in American," as you put it. I honor the KJV1611, but it is written in the king's English, not American English. Some words in it meant something different in England 1611 than they do in today's American English. Surely you agree? This is a statement of fact, not of false witness against the Lord.

Another statement of fact is that the Hebrew from which the OT of the KJV1611 was translated (surely you don't believe that Jesus, the apostles, and the prophets ran around Israel speaking and writing in English, do you?) says "circle" because there was no word in Hebrew that meant "sphere." This is not a debate, nor is it debatable. It is demonstrable fact.

Yes, I am a Christian because I have put my faith, hope, and trust in Jesus' sacrifice on the cross and in that alone.

I cannot hate Jesus because He has redeemed me and demonstrated his love for me by dying for me while I was yet a sinner. It is impossible for one of God's elect to hate Him. The unsaved alone revile Him.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Another statement of fact is that the Hebrew from which the OT of the KJV1611 was translated (surely you don't believe that Jesus, the apostles, and the prophets ran around Israel speaking and writing in English, do you?) says "circle" because there was no word in Hebrew that meant "sphere." This is not a debate, nor is it debatable. It is demonstrable fact.

I am afraid you are totally, completely and utterly wrong there. Nothing can be more accurate than the KJV1611 Holy Bible. The Holy Spirit guided the men of King James to write down the 100% absolute indisputable truth. All other versions of the Bible, including the so called "original" ones are incorrect. Seven easy ways to tell the True Bible from the false ones.

Also your assumption that Jesus could not speak American is wrong. There are no limits to what Jesus can do. Luke 18:27 "And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God."

Now please stop mocking God.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

[Brother Alex]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

My point is twofold. First, a circular earth cannot have corners because circles do not have corners. Second, if God meant to say "pillars," He would have said "pillars." Sound familiar?

I don't see your point. I'm pretty sure it says "pillars".

1 Samuel 2:8: He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.

Yes, I am a Christian because I have put my faith, hope, and trust in Jesus' sacrifice on the cross and in that alone.

No you're not. You don't follow the entire KJV1611 Holy Bible in context which makes you a false Christian.

I cannot hate Jesus because He has redeemed me and demonstrated his love for me by dying for me while I was yet a sinner. It is impossible for one of God's elect to hate Him. The unsaved alone revile Him.

You fall into the category of "Unsaved Trash". You're a false Christian (i.e. an atheist) and Jesus will damn you to hell.

This is a Christian forum. If you want to keep mocking our Lord, then do it on an atheist forum.

[Chezund Rice]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

"Theory" being the operative word here...... there is no scientific model properly explaining gravity.......gravity is just unfounded nonsense.

Me and my boys just picked up an old truck from the junkyard that had God's words about this right there on the bumper -
"There is no such thing as gravity, the earth sucks"

[Felicity]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

@Chezund Rice I never noticed that The Earth did that.

[King Viceroy]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I don't see your point. I'm pretty sure it says "pillars".

1 Samuel 2:8: He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.

No you're not. You don't follow the entire KJV1611 Holy Bible in context which makes you a false Christian.

You fall into the category of "Unsaved Trash". You're a false Christian (i.e. an atheist) and Jesus will damn you to hell.

This is a Christian forum. If you want to keep mocking our Lord, then do it on an atheist forum.

Why did you not,say something about what corbeen had to say ?.And why did you lie,about the picture,it is not.It is not real.How can people belive you now,liar.

[WinterFresh]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

What? The Earth is flat??? Oh man, I should stop driving with 200 km per hour or I might fall!

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

What? The Earth is flat??? Oh man, I should stop driving with 200 km per hour or I might fall!

Stop embarrassing yourself. You bicycle does not go that fast.

[Chris T]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

What? The Earth is flat??? Oh man, I should stop driving with 200 km per hour or I might fall!

The best kind of people are the ones that flat out tell us they are stupid.
For a shining example, see above quote.

[Brother Alex]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Why did you not,say something about what corbeen had to say ?.And why did you lie,about the picture,it is not.It is not real.How can people belive you now,liar.

Why are you trying to bear a false witness against me? You saw a picture, right? Then how am I lying about posting it?

Exodus 20:16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

And for your info, we are actually blessed by your insults. The more you persecute us for our righteousness' sake, the closer we are to the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:10: Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Do you really have anything to say or did you only come in here to spread your hateful thoughts and make baby Jesus cry? Why do you hate Jesus so much?

[King Viceroy]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Why are you trying to bear a false witness against me? You saw a picture, right? Then how am I lying about posting it?

Exodus 20:16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

And for your info, we are actually blessed by your insults. The more you persecute us for our righteousness' sake, the closer we are to the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:10: Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Do you really have anything to say or did you only come in here to spread your hateful thoughts and make baby Jesus cry? Why do you hate Jesus so much?

#1.You did it yourself,by saying that is a real picture taken at the ends of the earth.
#2.Good for you.
#3.At this time Im just looking around many religions,yes also the false ones.And sometimes I ask questions.So,how about Corbeen do you have anything to say about what he had to say.And please,dont go and be one of those who are always beating around the bush.
I dont hate jesus,and I dont hate you.

[kudos3]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

The best kind of people are the ones that flat out tell us they are stupid.
For a shining example, see above quote.

Actually I was being sarcastic. Real stupidity comes from people who actually think that the world is flat.

Oh boy, this might be the 8th account to be banned here.