[HeLovesYou]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Uhm, the fault is entirely yours, friend.

You expect us to go along with your preposterous argument that a Christian would go up high in the sky for the sole purpose of flying away from God's favorite country. People all over the world are trying to come to the United States of America. Not from.

And yes, that includes people from Hong Kong and Norway. But the fine folks in Arizona are working on stopping the immigration from such places.

Now how about we make some kind of silly argument that involves you, dog feces and your mom. And then we'll argue, just like you're doing right now, that your outright dismissal of the argument constitutes proof of validity of the claim.

My point was to show that you could travel from one end of the globe to the other by going east or west. Imagine this, then. You board a plane from the great United States, on the east coast for example, and it travels east. And continues traveling east. Eventually, you will find yourself on the east coast of the United States again. Many people have done this before, there's even a word for this: circumnavigation. Again, this point has nothing to do with the United States at all. I'm simply saying that you can wrap around the world by moving in one single direction.

Oh, and for your reading pleasure: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Moscow

I couldn't for the life of me find any mention of Norway in there...

[HeLovesYou]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

So God is just vague in His meanings? He isn't a very good communicator?



I do believe God is loving toward them that show Him love most of the time. Let's look at the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20. Does anything stand out to you there?

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15Thou shalt not steal.
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Yes, I guess we can agree God is jealous according to the Ten Commandments. But then what about James 3:16? Is God evil? Assuredly not.

[Lisa H]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

My point was to show that you could travel from one end of the globe to the other by going east or west. Imagine this, then. You board a plane from the great United States, on the east coast for example, and it travels east. And continues traveling east. Eventually, you will find yourself on the east coast of the United States again. Many people have done this before, there's even a word for this: circumnavigation. Again, this point has nothing to do with the United States at all. I'm simply saying that you can wrap around the world by moving in one single direction.

Oh, and for your reading pleasure: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Moscow

I couldn't for the life of me find any mention of Norway in there...

A plane cannot travel that long a distance (assuming the earth is a sphere). Planes cannot carry that large amount of fuel. You are also over looking one simple fact, the flat earth is disc shaped. You do know what a disc looks like?

[HeLovesYou]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

A plane cannot travel that long a distance (assuming the earth is a sphere). Planes cannot carry that large amount of fuel. You are also over looking one simple fact, the flat earth is disc shaped. You do know what a disc looks like?

United States Army Air Service, 1924, first aerial circumnavigation, 175 days, covering 44,360 kilometres (27,553 miles).

Baron F. M. Koenig Warthausen, starting in September 1928 circumnavigated the globe solo over the next two years.

LZ-127 Graf Zeppelin, 1929, piloted by Hugo Eckener set a record for the fastest aerial circumnavigation, 21 days, which was also the first circumnavigation in an airship.

On 1 July 1931, pilot Wiley Post and navigator Harold Gatty completed their circumnavigation of the world in a Lockheed Vega aeroplane, Winnie Mae, in 8 days, 15 hours and 51 minutes; the record for fastest circumnavigation was once again held by an aeroplane.

In 1932 Wolfgang von Gronau flew around the World with a twin engine Dornier seaplane, Gronland-Wal D-2053, in nearly four months, making 44 stops en route. He was accompanied by co-pilot Gerth von Roth, mechanic Franzl Hack, and radio operator Frtiz Albrecht.

In 1933 Wiley Post repeated his circumnavigation by aeroplane, but this time solo, using an autopilot and radio direction finder. He made the first solo aerial circumnavigation in a time one day faster than his previous record: 7 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, in which he covered 25,110 kilometres (15,596 mi).

In 1949 the United States Air Force B-50 Superfortress Lucky Lady II made the first non-stop aerial circumnavigation in 94 hours and 1 minute. Four in-air refuelings were required for the flight, which covered 37,743 kilometres (23,452 mi).

On 12 April 1961 Yuri Gagarin made the first human flight in space, and completed the first orbit of the Earth, in Vostok 1, in 108 minutes.
The second and third orbital circumnavigations, the first two to have multiple orbits, were made by Gherman Titov (17.5 orbits, a little over a day, for the Soviet Union) and John Glenn, in Friendship 7 (3 orbits, almost five hours, for the USA, first American orbital flight), respectively.

The first woman to circumnavigate the Earth in orbit, and to do so multiple times, was Valentina Tereshkova, who made forty-eight orbits between 16 and 19 June 1963, aboard Vostok 6.

Geraldine Mock, 1964, first woman to complete a solo aerial circumnavigation.
Frank F. Borman II, James A. Lovell Jr., and William A. Anders, 21-27 December 1968, first human circumnavigation of the Earth-Moon system, 10 orbits around the moon in about 20 hours, aboard Apollo 8; total trip to the moon and back was more than 6 Earth days.

Don Taylor, 1976, first general aviation circumnavigation by homebuilt aircraft.

Sally K. Ride, Ph.D., 18-24 June 1983, the first American woman to circumnavigate the Earth in orbit, the youngest American to-date to do so (aged 32 years, 23 days), and the first American woman to do so multiple times; she flew 97 orbits during STS-7 aboard Space Shuttle Challenger.

Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager, 1986, Voyager, first non-refueled circumnavigation in an airplane, 9 days, 3 minutes and 44 seconds.

In 1992 an Air France Concorde achieved the fastest non-orbital circumnavigation in 32 hours 49 minutes and 3 seconds.

Bertrand Piccard and Brian Jones, 1999, first non-stop balloon circumnavigation in Breitling Orbiter 3, 19 days, 1 hour and 49 minutes, covering 42,810 kilometers.

Polly Vacher, 2001, in the smallest aircraft flown in a solo circumnavigation by a woman, via Australia and the Pacific.

Steve Fossett, 2 July 2002, first solo balloon circumnavigation.

Steve Fossett, 3 March 2005, first non-stop, non-refueled solo circumnavigation in an airplane, 67 hours, covering 37,000 kilometres.

Steve Fossett, 11 February 2006, longest non-stop, non-refueled solo flight (with circumnavigation) in an airplane, covering 42,469.5 kilometres (26,389.3 mi), in 76 hours and 45 minutes.



This is an incomplete list of people who have traveled around the world via plane. Yes I do know what a disc looks like (although I have to be honest, I had to Google it. It said I was kind of like a "circle", whatever that is..). However, people have circumnavigation earth via both the north pole AND the south pole (the first person to circumnavigate the south pole was John Briscoe in 1832). How is this possible on a disc-shaped earth?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Yes, I guess we can agree God is jealous according to the Ten Commandments. But then what about James 3:16? Is God evil? Assuredly not.

The Bible says God creates both evil and good. Ours is not to question, but merely obey.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

[HeLovesYou]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

The Bible says God creates both evil and good. Ours is not to question, but merely obey.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

Well here is a point of agreement between us. I agree we should not judge God. However, I believe that God is not hateful of people. I believe everyone has the opportunity to be saved, and it is not our duty to be hateful and dismiss others for no reason.

[Lisa H]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

This is an incomplete list of people who have traveled around the world via plane. Yes I do know what a disc looks like (although I have to be honest, I had to Google it. It said I was kind of like a "circle", whatever that is..). However, people have circumnavigation earth via both the north pole AND the south pole (the first person to circumnavigate the south pole was John Briscoe in 1832). How is this possible on a disc-shaped earth?

Of course you can circumnavigate a disc. To put it simply, you travel around the circle.

[HeLovesYou]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Of course you can circumnavigate a disc. To put it simply, you travel around the circle.

Yes, that is one way to do this. However, on a disc, how would you travel from the North Pole, down to the South Pole, and back to the North Pole by traveling in a line. Because that has been done before on Earth.

[GOD=life]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Imagine this, then. You board a plane from the great United States, on the east coast for example, and it travels east. And continues traveling east. Eventually, you will find yourself on the east coast of the United States again.

I'm very glad you pointed this out, because it explains exactly how you were fooled by spherical earth conspiracists.

First, to full circumnavigate a spherical earth would require about 40 hours of flight at sub-atomic speeds (if you go faster than sound, God will destroy the aircraft). Give or take a bit depending on relative speed due to local wind.

No known commercial aircraft is capable of such long flights or carrying the fuel needed to make such a flight.

Thus, if you end up at the same point by thinking that you're continuously flying in the same direction, then it's impossible that you've fully circumnavigated the earth. It's not possible within the time span for commercial flights.

Instead, what happens is that the airplane isn't flying in a straight line but a curved one. This is very subtle, so you barely notice it. So you did fly in a large circle, but not one that's like a "hoop" around a "ball", but one over a plane.

I couldn't for the life of me find any mention of Norway in there...

You might not have realized it, but there are many cities that share a name with cities in other states.

Case in point, when a Christian man takes his family to Las Vegas, do you think they're going to Las Vegas in New Mexico or Las Vegas Nevada?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I believe that God is not hateful of people.

Here is a short list of things and people God hates and/or finds to be an abomination (worthy of or causing disgust or hatred).

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Proverbs 15:8-9,26 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.
The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the LORD: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.

Proverbs 16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

Deuteronomy 16:22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God hateth.

Revelation 2:6; 15 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

[Lisa H]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Yes, that is one way to do this. However, on a disc, how would you travel from the North Pole, down to the South Pole, and back to the North Pole by traveling in a line. Because that has been done before on Earth.

You actually believe there is a north pole and south pole. Next you will be saying Santa lives in the north pole.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

Of course you can circumnavigate a disc. To put it simply, you travel around the circle.

HeLoves--Please study Lisa's and the other posts carefully so you can understand this flat earth concept that many cannot grasp.

It happens I am an amature pilot. Every pilot knows that flying is done on a flat plane and not around a sphere.

I can, perhaps shed a little light on this issue. The question is, of course, are planes and balloons that claim to fly around a "globe" really doing so, or, are they really flying a subtle flat plan as we at LBC know it to be?

Let's say you are flying on a compass heading of 090 across the U. S. That would be straight east. Then, let's say, you took reading of the location of magnetic north. You would find this reading to deviate further and further from True North. If you flew far enough, you would find eventully that True North and magnetic north were in perfect alienment again.

This means you have doubled back. In pilot's language this is called "compass deviation". Here in Iowa it is about seven degrees. In Ohio its about 12 degree as I recall.

I hope this helps.

[2Kings 2 23:25]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

HeLoves--Please study Lisa's and the other posts carefully so you can understand this flat earth concept that many cannot grasp.

It happens I am an amature pilot. Every pilot knows that flying is done on a flat plane and not around a sphere.

I can, perhaps shed a little light on this issue. The question is, of course, are planes and balloons that claim to fly around a "globe" really doing so, or, are they really flying a subtle flat plan as we at LBC know it to be?

Let's say you are flying on a compass heading of 090 across the U. S. That would be straight east. Then, let's say, you took reading of the location of magnetic north. You would find this reading to deviate further and further from True North. If you flew far enough, you would find eventully that True North and magnetic north were in perfect alienment again.

This means you have doubled back. In pilot's language this is called "compass deviation". Here in Iowa it is about seven degrees. In Ohio its about 12 degree as I recall.

I hope this helps.

I am sorry, I have been ravenously devouring this board for the last few weeks, and the first thing that simply caught me off guard to the point of near falling off my chair was this.
Seriously? The earth sits at an angle while it rotates. 23.5 degrees to be exact. Magnetic north is not perfectly situated over Polar north. They are two completely different things. The "North Pole" that everyone rational recognizes as the "Top of the Globe, is of course the point above Greenland that is on countless desktops and bookshelves. Magnetic north is situated in Siberia. That is the cause of your "Compass Deviation", not the majestic hand of an unseen One, gently guiding your plane back onto the safe ground He created.
Having to explain that legitimately pains me, particularly to someone that manhandles the flight controls while I attempt to read in the coach section of a plane, and causes me to think even less of humanity than I already do.
I am fully aware that you are going to quote scripture in retaliation to what I have said, but the problem is that while you have a single source, the quantity of which wouldn't even pass for a paper written by a jr high school student, I can provide an uncountable amount of previous works that prove this.
Obviously, this is going to turn into a Theology conversation, and that is more than understood, however, simply turning a blind eye to anything written besides one book is the equivalent to saying that "The Prince" is the only thing written by Machiavelli. Flat. Out. Wrong.
Fire away, I have cast the first stone.

[Lisa H]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I am sorry, I have been ravenously devouring this board for the last few weeks, and the first thing that simply caught me off guard to the point of near falling off my chair was this.
Seriously? The earth sits at an angle while it rotates. 23.5 degrees to be exact. Magnetic north is not perfectly situated over Polar north. They are two completely different things. The "North Pole" that everyone rational recognizes as the "Top of the Globe, is of course the point above Greenland that is on countless desktops and bookshelves. Magnetic north is situated in Siberia. That is the cause of your "Compass Deviation", not the majestic hand of an unseen One, gently guiding your plane back onto the safe ground He created.
Having to explain that legitimately pains me, particularly to someone that manhandles the flight controls while I attempt to read in the coach section of a plane, and causes me to think even less of humanity than I already do.
I am fully aware that you are going to quote scripture in retaliation to what I have said, but the problem is that while you have a single source, the quantity of which wouldn't even pass for a paper written by a jr high school student, I can provide an uncountable amount of previous works that prove this.
Obviously, this is going to turn into a Theology conversation, and that is more than understood, however, simply turning a blind eye to anything written besides one book is the equivalent to saying that "The Prince" is the only thing written by Machiavelli. Flat. Out. Wrong.
Fire away, I have cast the first stone.

I am surprised that after reading this forum for a few weeks that you still believe the earth is a sphere.

[2Kings 2 23:25]

Re: Scientific proof the Earth is flat!

I am surprised that after reading this forum for a few weeks that you still believe the earth is a sphere.

???

Um, maybe it is TWO flat inter-connected circles...?? Like, bare minimum... and, just maybe, they are dancing around each other?

There simply is too much space to be one large flat disk that people fly around, get confused, turn back around, and end up back on the west coast of the country whose east coast the left earlier.

"Often times, the simplest explanation is the correct one." - the Earth is round. Simple, honest, complete, provable.