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  • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

    I really do not see how anyone can continue to believe in the sphericity of the Earth. Samuel Birley Rowbotham proved over 130 years ago that the Earth is flat, both through experiment AND through scripture. The former evidence is purely decorative, but the latter is DAMNING:

    Let us now inquire earnestly, and in all respects fairly, whether the philosophical teachings of the Scriptures are consistent with those of Zetetic Astronomy; or, in other words, are descriptive of that which is, both in nature and in principle, demonstrably true.


    In the Newtonian astronomy, continents, oceans, seas, and islands, are considered as together forming one vast globe of 25,000 English statute miles in circumference. This assertion has been shown to be entirely fallacious, and that it is contrary to the plain literal teaching of Scripture will be clearly seen from the following quotations.


    "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear. And God called the dry land earth; and the gathering together of the waters called He seas."--Genesis i., 9-10.


    Instead of the word "earth" meaning both land and water, only the dry land is called earth, and the seas the gathering or collection of the waters in vast bodies. Earth and seas--earth and the great body of waters, are described as two distinct and independent regions, and not as together forming one great globe which modern astronomers call "the earth." This description is confirmed by several other passages of Scripture:


    "The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof; the world and they that dwell therein; for He hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods."--Psalm xxiv., 1-2.


    "O give thanks to the Lord of lords, that by wisdom made the heavens, and that stretched out the earth above the waters."--Psalm cxxxvi., 6.
    "By the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water."--2nd Peter iii., 5.


    "Who with the word of His strength fixed the heavens; and founded the earth upon the waters."--Hermes, N. T. Apocrypha.


    That the surface of water is horizontal is a matter of absolute truth, and as the earth is founded upon the seas, and stretched out above the waters, it is of necessity a plane; and being a concrete mass of variable elements and compounds, with different specific gravities, it must be a floating structure, standing in and out of the waters, just as we see a ship or an iceberg.


    Many have argued that the Scriptures favoured the idea that the earth is a globe suspended in space, from the following language of Job (xxvi., 7):--


    "He stretched out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."


    Dr. Adam Clark, although himself a Newtonian philosopher, says, in his commentary on this passage, the literal translation is, "on the hollow or empty waste;" and he quotes a Chaldee version of the passage, which runs as follows:--


    "He layeth the earth upon the waters, nothing sustaining it."


    It is not that he "hangeth the earth upon nothing," an obviously meaningless expression, but "layeth it upon the waters," which were previously empty or waste or unoccupied by the earth--in fact, on and in which there was nothing visible before the dry land appeared.
    This is in strict accordance with the other expressions of Scripture that the earth was stretched out above the waters, and founded upon the seas--where nothing had before existed.


    If the earth is a globe, it is evident that everywhere the water of its surface--the seas, lakes, oceans, and rivers--must be sustained or upheld by the land, which must be underneath the water; but being a plane "founded upon the seas," and the land and waters distinct and independent of each other, then the waters of the "great deep" must sustain the land as it does a ship, an ice-island, or any other flowing mass, and there must, of necessity, be waters below the earth. In this particular, as in all others, the Scriptures are beautifully sequential and consistent.


    "The Almighty shall bless thee with the blessing of Heaven above, and blessings of the deep that lieth under."--Genesis xliv., 25.


    "Thou shalt not make unto thee any likeness of anything in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, or in the waters under the earth."--Exodus xx., 4.


    "Take ye, therefore, good heed unto yourselves, and make no similitude of anything on the earth, or the likeness of anything that is in the waters beneath the earth."--Deuteronomy iv., 18.


    "Blessed be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep which croucheth beneath."--Deuteronomy xxxiii., 13.


    The same fact was acknowledged by the ancient philosophers. In "Ovid's Metamorphoses" Jupiter, in an "assembly of the gods," is made to say:--
    "I swear by the infernal waves which glide under the earth."


    As the earth is a distinct structure, standing in and upheld by the waters of the "great deep," it follows, unless it can be proved that something solid and substantial sustains the waters, that "the depths" are fathomless. As there is no evidence whatever of anything existing except the fire consequent upon the rapid combination and decomposition of numerous well-known elements, we are compelled to admit that the depth is boundless--that beneath the waters which glide under the lowest parts of the earth there is nothing of a resisting nature. This is again confirmed by the Scriptures:--


    "Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and stars for a light by
    night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar, the Lord of Hosts is His name. If these ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the Lord: if heaven above can be measured and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel."--Jeremiah xxxi., 37.


    From the above it is certain that God's promises to His people can no more be broken than can the height of heaven be measured, or the depths of the mighty waters--the earth's foundations--searched out or determined. The fathomless character of the deep beneath, upon which the earth is founded, and the infinitude of heaven above, are here given as emblems of the boundlessness of God's power, and of the certainty that all His ordinances will be fulfilled. When God's power can be limited, heaven above will be no longer infinite; and the "mighty waters," the "great deep," the "foundations of the earth," may be fathomed. But the Scriptures plainly teach us that the power and wisdom of God, the heights of heaven, and the depth of the "waters under the earth," are alike boundless and unfathomable.


    That the earth is stationary, except the fluctuating motion referred to in the chapter on the cause of tides, has been more than sufficiently demonstrated; and the Scriptures in no instance affirm the contrary.
    Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe, Chapter XV

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    • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

      Originally posted by Wilbur J. Carpenter View Post
      I really do not see how anyone can continue to believe in the sphericity of the Earth. Samuel Birley Rowbotham proved over 130 years ago that the Earth is flat, both through experiment AND through scripture. The former evidence is purely decorative, but the latter is DAMNING:


      Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe, Chapter XV
      While your belief the earth is flat is commendable, please do not post huge slabs of copyrighted material.
      Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
      Proverbs 19:25 Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.
      Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
      Proverbs 6:25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.
      Genesis 24:16 And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up.
      Song of Solomon 1:15 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.

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      • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

        Actually, due to its age (2nd Edition published 1881), Earth Not a Globe is not under copyright. Indeed, the whole book is available for download from the Internet Archive here, and can also be viewed in more accessible online form here:


        Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not A Globe, by 'Parallax' (pseud. Samuel Birley Rowbotham), at sacred-texts.com



        As it happens, I own a physical copy for ease of reading, but it is truly a blessing from God that great works such as Earth Not a Globe can now be freely accessed by all. I also recommend Terra Firma 1901 by David Wardlaw Scott and Zetetic Cosmogony by Thomas Winship, both of which are also out of copyright.

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        • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

          Originally posted by steakjohnson View Post
          HAVE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE SEEN A GLOBE?
          Globes were created by heretics. Every True Christian™ knows the Truth that the Earth is flat as the Holy KJV1611 Bible says so. You won't find a globe in any school in Freehold, the only schools where Baby Jesus writes the curriculum.

          Cranky Old Man, do you realize that this is probably the only forum where people actually still believe the earth is flat?
          More proof that Landover Baptist is the only home of True Christians™!

          Are you arrogant people claiming to be more intelligent with logic and reasoning than hundreds of thousands of well paid scientists with PHD's for a reason?
          God is smarter than those "scientists" you talk about and HE tells us in the Holy KJV1611 Bible that the world is flat. HE created the world and HE wrote the Bible. Who are you going to believe, some Godless scientists who will burn in Hell for eternity or the One who created the world and is omniscient?

          If it weren't for Science, there wouldn't be any hospitals, you would still be practicing bloodletting probably. There's thousands of books that show the earth is a sphere full of EVIDENCE that you people choose to ignore. Even from in space the earth's curve is quite slight. OF COURSE IT LOOKS FLAT FROM WHERE WE ARE. t
          Those books were written by heathens who care not for the Truth. The one book you should be reading, the Bible, says the Earth is flat and these experiments prove it.

          Let's be honest, there's a reason why church and state are separate. You can choose to wallow here and pretend the earth is a magical flat plate in the middle of nowhere... Or you can open your eyes to see that it is a sphere, and join the thousands of people that will be braving the space frontier, or curing cancer, or solving the hunger crisis....
          As proven in another thread space is nothing but a vast ocean and if we were meant to explore it God would have given us the ability to do so. Cancer and hunger only strike unbelievers and others who upset Baby Jesus. If they would only accept HIM and tithe to His Favorite Church (LBC) they would find their cancer would vanish and that they have plenty of food. Not one person in Freehold has cancer or is hungry because the Lord only uses those things to punish the wicked and non-believers.

          Or you could be a selfish person that has clearly been brought up in a wealthy family, and wants to justify the fact that he can hate people. Or like a televangelist that warps the bible to his own interest.
          We hate only who the Bible tells us to hate.
          The Big-Bang: GOD spoke and, BANG, the universe was formed.
          Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
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          • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

            Originally posted by Wilbur J. Carpenter View Post
            Actually, due to its age (2nd Edition published 1881), Earth Not a Globe is not under copyright. Indeed, the whole book is available for download from the Internet Archive here, and can also be viewed in more accessible online form here:


            Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not A Globe, by 'Parallax' (pseud. Samuel Birley Rowbotham), at sacred-texts.com



            As it happens, I own a physical copy for ease of reading, but it is truly a blessing from God that great works such as Earth Not a Globe can now be freely accessed by all. I also recommend Terra Firma 1901 by David Wardlaw Scott and Zetetic Cosmogony by Thomas Winship, both of which are also out of copyright.
            Even if this so, please do not paste large slabs of text.
            Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
            Proverbs 19:25 Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.
            Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
            Proverbs 6:25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.
            Genesis 24:16 And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up.
            Song of Solomon 1:15 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.

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            • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

              Originally posted by Lisa H View Post
              Even if this so, please do not paste large slabs of text.

              As you wish, but I genuinely felt all that material was relevant to the discussion at hand. Moreover, I do not really consider that to be a large slab of text, especially as much of it is made up of quotes from scripture. Significant sections or amounts of scripture are frequently posted on this board without incurring censure, and I assumed that given this material was relevant to the discussion at hand, the same would be true in this instance.


              Of course, it is not my wish to be disruptive in this house of God, so if you could direct me to guidelines regarding the length of posts, quotes or relevant material, I will study this material so that I may adhere to the conventions and traditions of this Chrstian community. Of course, if no such guidelines exist, a more general clarification on your part would suffice.


              As for you 'steakjohnson', your pathetic appeals to scientists and other figures of authority are even more pathetic than they might at first appear. Not only are they ridiculous because they fail to acknowledge God as the sole authority in existence, but they also constitute a well known logical fallacy: argumentum ad verecundiam. If you are going to spout about "logic and reasoning", you should at least examine your own posts in that light.

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              • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

                Originally posted by Wilbur J. Carpenter View Post
                I really do not see how anyone can continue to believe in the sphericity of the Earth. Samuel Birley Rowbotham proved over 130 years ago that the Earth is flat, both through experiment AND through scripture. The former evidence is purely decorative, but the latter is DAMNING: Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe, Chapter XV
                Indeed it is! Thank you for bringing this to our attention. It always fills me with joy when people use the proper version of the Holy Bible to prove their point.
                5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
                To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
                James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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                • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

                  Cranky man, just by curiosity, do you have coodies in your beard?

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                  • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

                    Originally posted by Maynard_James_Keenan View Post
                    Cranky man, just by curiosity, do you have coodies in your beard?
                    Since, as a woman, I am forbidden by the Bible from teaching anything, I will phrase this in the form of a question: Mr. Keenan, is it not true that all men have cooties except for my husband Billy Bob?

                    (Billy Bob: I approve this post.)
                    1 Corinthians 11:3
                    But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

                    Property of Billy Bob Jenkins

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                    • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

                      Is that Billy Bob Thornton, the actor? --'

                      Or Billy Bob, the plummer?

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                      • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

                        Originally posted by Frozenleaf View Post
                        Excuse me. Are you saying that if you were to walk in a straight line (or fly by plane) you would NOT end up in the same place you started? That has been proven THOUSANDS OF TIMES OVER. If you walk in a straight line, you'll end up where you started.
                        It has never been proven, because it isn't true.

                        In fact, even if the Earth were a sphere, it wouldn't be true.

                        Try it for yourself. First, throw away your compass, since you want to walk in a straight line, and magnetic north is supposedly a single point which, were the Earth a sphere, you would circumnavigate. That's not a straight line, it's a curved line. A circle is not a straight line.

                        Then, set up a straight line. For this, you will need three points. Get some surveying equipment.

                        Keep going until you get back to where you started.

                        See you never . . . it won't happen, at least not within your lifetime at speeds humans can currently travel.
                        Bible boring? Nonsense!
                        Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
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                        • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

                          Originally posted by Maynard_James_Keenan View Post
                          Is that Billy Bob Thornton, the actor? --'

                          Or Billy Bob, the plummer?
                          Billy Bob Jenkins, the lumberjack.
                          The Only Real Climate Change Will be Hell!

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                          • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

                            I didn't know it was possible for someone (let alone a group of people) to be so completely stupid that they actually believe the earth is flat.

                            Is this really how sad humanity is right now? Or is it just the ignorant christian fanatics?

                            Holy crap people pick up a first grade science book and get all your theories proved wrong. Earth is flat? Really? It makes me angry just to think that someone actually agrees with a retard of this magnitude. Good job on your second-rate lives leading to unproductive existence.

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                            • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

                              Originally posted by Areyouhonestlyseriou View Post
                              I didn't know it was possible for someone (let alone a group of people) to be so completely stupid that they actually believe the earth is flat.

                              Is this really how sad humanity is right now? Or is it just the ignorant christian fanatics?

                              Holy crap people pick up a first grade science book and get all your theories proved wrong. Earth is flat? Really? It makes me angry just to think that someone actually agrees with a retard of this magnitude. Good job on your second-rate lives leading to unproductive existence.
                              How IS life in your Mom's basement treating you, O Great Producer?

                              Nice of you to take time away from masturbation and video games to join a Christian church's discussion forum, uninvited, to insult strangers for not agreeing with your faith.
                              Bible boring? Nonsense!
                              Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                              You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                              • Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

                                Says one of the retards claiming that people who don't agree with your faith are ''unsaved scum'', if you'd see what this forum looks like to anyone with half a brain, you'd see why everyone is laughing at this discussion and doesn't take unilateral christian fanatics seriously.

                                You're giving a bad name to your religion.

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