[tolarence]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!

I am sorry pastor i was typing fast and i switched two letters , and i neglect to use capital letters and proper punctuation, like i said, i type fast.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!

I am sorry pastor i was typing fast and i switched two letters , and i neglect to use capital letters and proper punctuation, like i said, i type fast.

You don't type fast; you type sloppily and lazily. My secretary types fast, about 115 words per minute, and the results are flawless. You could type both fast and accurately if you weren't too lazy to learn to do so.

"Typing fast" is no excuse. This post of mine is free of typos, grammatical errors, and spelling mistakes, yet I typed it at roughly 75 words per minute.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Shoebarf]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!

Hmmm, the universe is quite a lot older than that. Carbon-14 dating proves it.

[patrickzzz]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!

universe is much older then 6000 years old

[Wide-Open]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!

universe is much older then 6000 years old

Indeed, 10 years.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!

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[F. Nietzsche]

Re: Happy birthday, universe!

I would accept your' arguement if you provided a scriptural bases for your "Old Universe" theory. Anyway how do you know the universe is 13.5 billion years old? Were you there?

Causality necessitates it.

The furthest quasars are 13 billion or more light years from Earth, as determined by redshift. Because the speed of light is a constant in a relative vacuum such as space, the overall envelope of causality for our visible universe would be only 6010 light years distance, as opposed to many billions of them.

[Brother V]

Re: Happy birthday, universe!

Causality necessitates it.

The furthest quasars are 13 billion or more light years from Earth, as determined by redshift. Because the speed of light is a constant in a relative vacuum such as space, the overall envelope of causality for our visible universe would be only 6010 light years distance, as opposed to many billions of them.

That's all great, unless the divine creator put them in a place, and made their light appear to be 13 billion light years away. God made it so that you would think things were farther away.

What do you think about that mr. smarty pants!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Happy birthday, universe!

Causality necessitates it.

The furthest quasars are 13 billion or more light years from Earth, as determined by redshift. Because the speed of light is a constant in a relative vacuum such as space, the overall envelope of causality for our visible universe would be only 6010 light years distance, as opposed to many billions of them.

But modern physics teaches us that time is relative*. According to this creationist article, it is possible that "time elapsed at different rates on Earth and in the expanse (6 Days Earth time and billions of years cosmological time, possible because the Earth is at the centre of the universe)."

*Of course, the relativity of time should not be confused with moral relativism, which is a lie from the pit of hell.

[F. Nietzsche]

Re: Happy birthday, universe!

That's all great, unless the divine creator put them in a place, and made their light appear to be 13 billion light years away. God made it so that you would think things were farther away.

What do you think about that mr. smarty pants!

Well, that rather depends on what you mean exactly. If the objects are all within 6,000 light years of Earth, but redshifted by your Omphalos mechanism of whatever sort, then it should increase the density of the universe substantially, thus causing objects to repulse each other through gravity, showing a general scattering of all objects by gravity generated from nearby objects.

This, however, is not consistent with observation.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!

Shout Glory!!

[Dutch Girl]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!

Shout Glory!!

Wouldn't the universe be 6,012 by now? Or does it age very slowly?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!

Wouldn't the universe be 6,012 by now? Or does it age very slowly?

It is 6012 years old now. This thread was posted in 2007, and the universe was 6010 years old then. The universe will be 6013 years old this coming October 23rd.

Please try to keep up.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Dutch Girl]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!

It is 6012 years old now.

So you disagree with the common Christian calculation by Dr. John Lightfoot and nearly a century later by James Ussher that says earth is 6,015 years old?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Happy 6,010th birthday, universe!



That will teach me to try to do math in my head before I've had my coffee.

You're right. The universe will be 6015 years old this October.