[GodlessSinner]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

Oh yes, we've heard of it. We also know that you'll swallow anything that dismisses God. We know this rock is a million years old, because well, it's the same as all these other rocks that are a million years old. How do we know that? Because someone, somewhere decided they were a million years old.


If you don't worship God, you worship Satan, easy as that.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


Really


It has, has it? How by creating the Labradoodle? That's breeding, not evolution. I thought we were losing species at a phenomenal rate (according to secular science we're even losing species nobody knows about, although how they know that is beyond me).


Except according to your sciences, Newton was wrong.


Well first of all, prove to me that this wasn't done on a sound stage, or at night in death valley.


Come on, even my 2-year-old knows this isn't true.


Why didn't he just evolve?

No, I don't care if it dismisses god or not, and you do not understand radioactive dating.

I worship nobody (well, I worship myself)

Newton was wrong about what? It's so easy to test basic newtonian mechanics.

"Well first of all, prove to me that this wasn't done on a sound stage, or at night in death valley." - If it was done on earth, the hammer would have hit the ground first. On the moon there is no atmosphere, no air, which is why they hit at the same time. If they staged it they would have had to do it in a man made vacuum, which still proves it!

"It has, has it? How by creating the Labradoodle? That's breeding, not evolution. I thought we were losing species at a phenomenal rate (according to secular science we're even losing species nobody knows about, although how they know that is beyond me)." - That is know as artificial selection. If you were to read up on the study by some Russian guy who's name I don't remember, you see how wolves have evolved into dogs by means of natural and artificial selection. They are basically domesticated wolves.

"Why didn't he just evolve" - YOu need to read up on evolution

Sorry about answering the points in a random order, I havn't got the hang of the quote thing yet

[GodlessSinner]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

If you are in fact not lying about the hammer and the feather I'd say that it is God who demonstrates his omnipotence by letting the feather and hammer drop at the same time. And how do you know that the earth isn't flat? Have you ever been on the roof of a tall building? From such a place you can clearly see that the earth is flat as a pancake. All you need is to get high and then you will clearly see that the earth is flat.

You say that all objects accelerate towards the ground with 9,8 m/s/s? This is just plain silly. Feathers don't fall down as quickly as rocks. You can check this at home! You need to read your bible so that you can gain Wisdom and see through the lies that you currently believe in.

Proverbs 2:12
Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men, from men whose words are perverse

This can all be explained by high school physics, which I am not going to do now. Although I will mention the flat earth point:

If you stand on the top of a high building, you will notice that far in the distance the 'stuff' there disappears into the horizon. This is because the earth has a very slight curvature BECAUSE IT IS SPHERICAL, NOT FLAT

[BelieverInGod]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

No, I don't care if it dismisses god or not, and you do not understand radioactive dating.

And you do?

I worship nobody (well, I worship myself)

Exactly our point.

Newton was wrong about what? It's so easy to test basic newtonian mechanics.

Can't even be bothered to click a link to a secular site, why am I not surprised Because you're so smart, you know it all.

"Well first of all, prove to me that this wasn't done on a sound stage, or at night in death valley." - If it was done on earth, the hammer would have hit the ground first. On the moon there is no atmosphere, no air, which is why they hit at the same time. If they staged it they would have had to do it in a man made vacuum, which still proves it!

So now you're saying that the physics are different on the moon than on the earth. So to do your test I would have to go to the moon. Why is it that every "proof" that atheists have on this board involve doing something that a normal person is incapable of doing. But I'm supposed to just have "faith" in scientists that they're right.

Sorry, but scientists have been proven wrong so many times, and use such vague language, that I'm not going to put any faith into them.

"It has, has it? How by creating the Labradoodle? That's breeding, not evolution. I thought we were losing species at a phenomenal rate (according to secular science we're even losing species nobody knows about, although how they know that is beyond me)." - That is know as artificial selection. If you were to read up on the study by some Russian guy who's name I don't remember, you see how wolves have evolved into dogs by means of natural and artificial selection. They are basically domesticated wolves.

What your talking about is silver foxes, not wolves. They bred for temperament and as the foxes temperament improved, the ears flopped over and white spots started developing. However, THEY WERE STILL FOXES! According to your evidence then, a field spaniel is a different species than a cocker spaniel because they have been bred for different purposes and temperaments. Also, wasn't your "scientist" selectively breeding? I've yet to see wild wolves turn into dogs.

"Why didn't he just evolve" - YOu need to read up on evolution

I seem to have a better grasp of it than you do. Your take on it is if a Christian breeds for temperament it's selective breeding, if a scientist breeds for temperament, it's evolution!

[Jo Freddie]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

My goodness, where do I begin? Ok...
We have evidence from radioactive dating rocks/certain elements. Being a scientist doesn't make you a satanist.

While I fervently disagree with the "true christians" about the nature of God I must also point out that you are wrong about the age of the earth, the following will explain why and also deal with your point about scientiss and the "evidence" they "find"

A Condensed History of the World
Five Thousand Years Ago:
The Beginning

THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER created the universe and a bunch of planets, including Earth. No one except Himself was around to see it, but we suspect it was rather dull. The initial creation, obviously, must have been spectacular, but He then spent the next ten to one hundred years painstakingly preparing the universe to appear older then it actually is. Photons were placed individually, en route to earth, ostensibly emitted millions of years ago from stars across the galaxy. In reality, we know that each proton was divinely placed and red-shifted (The universe appears to be expanding, much like cooked pasta, as illustrated by observed light from distant galaxies shifting toward the Marinara Spectrum. Some scientists cite this as support for His preference for red sauce, but they are most likely idiots) appropriately to make the universe appear to be billions of years old. We are still finding His camouflage methods at work today; each time scientists discover apparent evidence of billions-of-years-old universe, we can be assured that this is just more elaborate preparation He put in place.
Earth was created in approximately 0.062831853 seconds and was similarly disguised to appear much older. We can be certain that the FSM spent even more time preparing the earth, because, being all-knowing, He was well aware that soon enough there would be nosy people poking around everywhere. Know as “scientists,” these nosy people have a sick need – probably sexually motivated (As evidence of sexual motivation on the part of scientists, let’s choose an occupation at random, say genecology. These so-called professionals spend their entire lives looking at female sex organs – or poontang, as it’s known in academic circles. Look a little deeper into the fold, and you will find that nearly 99 percent of all gynaecologists have a scientific background. To illustrate just how significant that is, pick another group at random – say myself. I’m not a scientist, and I hardly ever see female sex organs. I find it hard to believe this is just a coincidence. I’m not saying all scientists are perverts, but I think it’s safe to say the nearly all of them are) – to figure out how things work, and so it was even more important that our apparent reality be well designed to hide the truth.

[GodlessSinner]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

That article isn't saying "newtonian mechanics is wrong".

Science does go wrong, but that doesn't mean that science is untrustworthy etc. When science is wrong about something, it improves itself. Science is constantly changing as new evidence is discovered. Science is only about finding out stuff through the use of the scientific method. It has no dogma, no agenda.

Just because it may require big expensive equipment to prove something, it doesn't mean it is any less valid. Without the equipment/conditions etc we would not be able to find out the many facts we know today e.g. the speed of light. Without the correct equipment how do you find that out? You don't have faith in what scientists say because faith is a belief based on little/no evidence. What scientists claim is based on evidence, and if it is not sufficient evidence, it will be put aside by work peers (peer review). Like I said, science is only interested in finding out facts (based on evidence).

"A field spaniel is a different species than a cocker spaniel" - I don't know the differences between those two, but they are different species.

The reason wild foxes don't evolve into dogs is because only natural selection is at work. With the other case, it was artificial selection (by the Russian guy) and possible a little natural selection.

"Your take on it is if a Christian breeds for temperament it's selective breeding, if a scientist breeds for temperament, it's evolution!" - I'm not sure what you mean by that

[BelieverInGod]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

That article isn't saying "newtonian mechanics is wrong".

Science does go wrong, but that doesn't mean that science is untrustworthy etc. When science is wrong about something, it improves itself. Science is constantly changing as new evidence is discovered. Science is only about finding out stuff through the use of the scientific method. It has no dogma, no agenda.

So science gets it wrong on a regular basis, but I'm supposed to trust it? They use words like "common belief is...", "current theories state....", "we postulate that...." and I'm supposed to buy it hook line and sinker?

Oh and science does have a very strong agenda; to delete God. They want God out of the picture, they will believe absolutely anything as long as it makes God irrelevant, this is why we say they are satanists. Oh, I'm sure that there's some who don't realize what they are doing. I'm sure there's even some who think they are Christian, but they're going to be rudely surprised when they are tossed into the abyss of Hell!

Just because it may require big expensive equipment to prove something, it doesn't mean it is any less valid. Without the equipment/conditions etc we would not be able to find out the many facts we know today e.g. the speed of light. Without the correct equipment how do you find that out? You don't have faith in what scientists say because faith is a belief based on little/no evidence. What scientists claim is based on evidence, and if it is not sufficient evidence, it will be put aside by work peers (peer review). Like I said, science is only interested in finding out facts (based on evidence).

What scientists claim is not based on evidence. If it was evidence I would be able to replicate their experiments, that's one of the basis for GOOD Science. At least the Creation Scientists we have on this board can give us science we can do at home to prove their right. Secular scientists, on the other hand, tell us to "trust them" because they're the ones with all the magical equipment.

"A field spaniel is a different species than a cocker spaniel" - I don't know the differences between those two, but they are different species.

So every breed of dog is a different species in your mind. Have you discussed this with a biologist? Can you then explain why they are all known as Canis Familiaris? FYI both dogs were known as cockers in the early 18th century. The reason I picked those two breeds (note BREEDS, not SPECIES) is because Cockers were bred to be the pets and companions of wealthy women, whereas the Field spaniel was bred to still be the hunting Cocker.

The reason wild foxes don't evolve into dogs is because only natural selection is at work. With the other case, it was artificial selection (by the Russian guy) and possible a little natural selection.

Yet you claimed this was proof of evolution.

If you were to read up on the study by some Russian guy who's name I don't remember, you see how wolves have evolved into dogs by means of natural and artificial selection. They are basically domesticated wolves.

I corrected you saying it was foxes, not wolves. Oh and there's a huge difference between a domesticated wolf and a dog. Show me a wolf that will hunt for you, or herd for you, or actually do anything "for YOU". I would also like to see evidence that these wolves are actually domesticated and not just tame. I have lived around wolf-dogs and I would not trust one (oh, and 90% of what people call wolf dogs, aren't it's just when you can get $50 for a husky/shepherd cross or $1500 by calling it a wolf cross.... Well you get the picture.)

"Your take on it is if a Christian breeds for temperament it's selective breeding, if a scientist breeds for temperament, it's evolution!" - I'm not sure what you mean by that

You claimed that a scientist bred wolves into dogs. I asked why this is different from breeding a Labradoodle, you said that it was because I selectively bred the dogs. Well what exactly was the "wolf guy" doing?

[GodlessSinner]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

Science's only agenda is to dismiss anything that has no evidence (e.g god).

If you had a lot of money and scientific training, you could replicate many experiments. Creation science is based on the bible, which is not evidence I am afraid.

I will admit now that I am a complete amateur with evolution, I have a lot to learn and read up about, which I am going to do. Even if Evolution was disproved, it doesn't mean "god dun it", it also doesn't mean "my god dun it".

[Jo Freddie]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

Science does go wrong, but that doesn't mean that science is untrustworthy etc. When science is wrong about something, it improves itself. Science is constantly changing as new evidence is discovered. Science is only about finding out stuff through the use of the scientific method. It has no dogma, no agenda.

Just because it may require big expensive equipment to prove something, it doesn't mean it is any less valid. Without the equipment/conditions etc we would not be able to find out the many facts we know today e.g. the speed of light. Without the correct equipment how do you find that out? You don't have faith in what scientists say because faith is a belief based on little/no evidence. What scientists claim is based on evidence, and if it is not sufficient evidence, it will be put aside by work peers (peer review). Like I said, science is only interested in finding out facts (based on evidence).

But what your scientists do not realize is that every time they make a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage!!

[GodlessSinner]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

But what your scientists do not realize is that every time they make a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage!!

That explains it! All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

[BelieverInGod]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

Science's only agenda is to dismiss anything that has no evidence (e.g god).

Well it's nice to see you admit that they are trying to take God out of the equation.

If you had a lot of money and scientific training, you could replicate many experiments. Creation science is based on the bible, which is not evidence I am afraid.

And the fact that most people don't? That's like the Catholic church and their "you have to be a priest to talk to God" crap. You operate on faith, whether you know it or not.

I will admit now that I am a complete amateur with evolution, I have a lot to learn and read up about, which I am going to do. Even if Evolution was disproved, it doesn't mean "god dun it", it also doesn't mean "my god dun it".

Hey, you're the one who was putting forward all of this evidence, now that I've torn it apart (to the point you don't know the difference between breed and species) you decide that insulting God is the way to go.

That explains it! All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

Again, you prove my point. You'll swallow anything as long as it means you don't have to answer to God for your sinful lifestyle.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

Again, you prove my point. You'll swallow anything as long as it means you don't have to answer to God for your sinful lifestyle.

BIG you are just upset because in two short posts I manage to show the fallacy of the old earth theory, why scientists are just the playthings of Our Lord Noodle, and the true nature of God - The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[cooldude1]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

What about dogs?
Why is it that you can breed two difference breeds of dogs and get a litter of puppies that have both traits of each of it's parents.
That would mean because generation A (Parents) don't look the same as generation B (Kids) that evolution did in fact happen and in only ONE generation.(That's less then a million years if you didn't know)

If evolution didn't happen you wouldn't look anything like your parents as their physical traits would have no effect on your physical traits. Yet for some reason most people look a lot like their parents.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

What about dogs?
Why is it that you can breed two difference breeds of dogs and get a litter of puppies that have both traits of each of it's parents.
That would mean because generation A (Parents) don't look the same as generation B (Kids) that evolution did in fact happen and in only ONE generation.(That's less then a million years if you didn't know)

If evolution didn't happen you wouldn't look anything like your parents as their physical traits would have no effect on your physical traits. Yet for some reason most people look a lot like their parents.

If the parents are monkeys and the kids are a different species then that would be evidence of evolution. What you are saying has nothing to do with it.

[Lisa H]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

What about dogs?
Why is it that you can breed two difference breeds of dogs and get a litter of puppies that have both traits of each of it's parents.
That would mean because generation A (Parents) don't look the same as generation B (Kids) that evolution did in fact happen and in only ONE generation.(That's less then a million years if you didn't know)

If evolution didn't happen you wouldn't look anything like your parents as their physical traits would have no effect on your physical traits. Yet for some reason most people look a lot like their parents.

Evolution is false. God created mankind.

[GOD=life]

Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself

If evolution didn't happen you wouldn't look anything like your parents as their physical traits would have no effect on your physical traits. Yet for some reason most people look a lot like their parents.

The whole premise of evolution is that children have to be completely different from their parents in order for any evolution to take place at all. Otherwise there'd be just 1 species, not billions. Thus, your argument actually disproves evolution.

God created all the different species and created us in His image.

But if you want to believe in fairy tales with monkeys and whatever, then that's your choice.