[One-eyed Jack]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

Well, the problem is flawed languages like Hebrew and Greek, I suppose. Think about it -- a Holy Book written in Greek!

A Greek, an Azerbijani and a Turk were traveling on a plane, along with a bunch of schoolkids. Suddenly both engines exploded. Everyone would have to jump.
The Turk said, "We must save the kids!"
The Azerbijani said, "F*ck the kids."
The Greek said, "Do we have time for that?"

See what I mean? There's a reason the word "pederasty" comes to us from the Greek! (The combination of "παίδ-", the Greek stem for boy, with "ἐραστής", Greek for lover, according to Wickedpedia.)

No, God could not inspire the King James until mankind worked out a proper version of the English language.

In a very real sense, English is God's chosen tongue.

I suppose God could have miraculously started the Israelites talking in King James English in the first millennium BC, but that would have been awfully surreal...even for Him.

"Aye me, Hezekiah, bring not the goats into the pavilion! Thou art a very petard in the hind quarter."
"Forsooth, Jehoram, the petard hath not yet seen invention. Cast not anachronisms upon the water, lest the Lord smite thee with a plague and a burning and a sore lisp upon thy tongue."

No:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

That is the truest clue I know.

~~ OEJ

[Brother Temperance]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

Hmmm, interesting points I am sure but I fail to see how everything you described about "other religions" does not apply to Christianity. Also, much of what you said is contradicted by posts from some of your fellow Christians. Plus, you say that Christianity was divinely revealed by God himself but (and I may be missing a critical piece of historical evidence) didn't Christ found Catholocism?

That's just nonsensical. Why would Christ found a pagan cult worshipping His mother and assorted false idols?

The only other religion I know of that claims to be founded by Jesus himself is Mormonism. Others forms of Christianity just believe they know the "correct" interpretation of the Bible.

Yes, the Bible, as in Christ's message, as in what Christ wanted us to do. In what way did He not found us?

Furthermore, in Levean Satanism, there is one major assertion that comes to mind that is quite acredited; nihilism. This is a respectable idea that has been brought up by famous philosophers -- Niche is one example -- so I think it is unfair to say that Satanism is devoid of any worth. If you are refering to Theistic Satanism then I still feel that it not unfounded. Even you will admit that there are demons and this form of Satanism simply puts them to use; sometimes through worship and sometimes through force. It is done to gain some form of instant gratification without fear of repricusions.

Yes, but since God is infinitely more powerful than His adversaries, do you not ever wonder that there might actually be some pretty serious repercussions to worry about?

I have read the KJV1611 but I hated the whole thing.

Yet more proof of the Divine consistency of the KJV! If it contradicted itself, then this sinner would like some parts but hate others. The fact that he hates the whole thing just proves that its Holy message is unchanging throughout!

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

No, God could not inspire the King James until mankind worked out a proper version of the English language.

In a very real sense, English is God's chosen tongue.

I guess, but I've always found the English language to be somewhat of a mongrel tongue. If you ask me (I know nobody did ask me, but just roll with it), Latin is better than English.

That's just nonsensical. Why would Christ found a pagan cult worshipping His mother and assorted false idols?

I dunno, maybe he came down with a severe case of heat stroke....

Yes, the Bible, as in Christ's message, as in what Christ wanted us to do. In what way did He not found us?

I meant that those two religions are the only ones that claim Christ founded them in person, as in came to Earth and spoke directly to the founders.

Yes, but since God is infinitely more powerful than His adversaries, do you not ever wonder that there might actually be some pretty serious repercussions to worry about?

I don't particularlly worry about repercussions since I haven't had any thus far.

Yet more proof of the Divine consistency of the KJV! If it contradicted itself, then this sinner would like some parts but hate others. The fact that he hates the whole thing just proves that its Holy message is unchanging throughout!

Very true, I've said it before and have no qualms about saying it again: I personally do not know of any contradictions in the Bible.

[Mathew 5:42-44]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

The word works logically. We don't see any absurdities like talking snakes, people coming back from the dead and water turning into wine. Since God is logic that means God exists.

Says the Clansman? You certainly are a tolerant, logical one.

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

If God doesn't exist then it means that he lied, and if God lied then the world wouldn't exist.

[Mathew 5:42-44]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

If God doesn't exist then it means that he lied, and if God lied then the world wouldn't exist.

Or maybe, just maybe, some random Arabic guy (And YES, he would be.) wrote a book to make some money.

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

That's pretty far-fetched and unlikely.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

I suppose God could have miraculously started the Israelites talking in King James English in the first millennium BC, but that would have been awfully surreal...even for Him.

Quite right. Besides, if the Hebrews had spoken English, then they would have been able to coordinate with the ancient English to build the Tower of Babel.

If you ask me (I know nobody did ask me, but just roll with it), Latin is better than English.

Estne volumen in toga, Aenigmus Citarus Marxo, an solum tibi libet me videre?

I meant that those two religions are the only ones that claim Christ founded them in person, as in came to Earth and spoke directly to the founders.

Christ founded Baptist Christianity directly, and we indeed so claim. The Mormons do not, however, believe that Christ spoke directly to Joseph Smith, the founder of their cult (and, I'm sad to say, a distant relative of mine). They believe that it was the angel Moroni (now there's a demonic name if I've ever heard one) who spoke to Smith. You might try reading the Book of Mormon if you plan to keep talking about as if you understand it. You'll find it in the humor section of your local bookstore, or online (complete with notes documenting its many stupidities and inconsistencies) HERE.

On second thought, maybe you shouldn't read the BOM, since it tends to induce narcolepsy. Here's what Mark Twain had to say about it: The book is a curiosity to me, it is such a pretentious affair, and yet so "slow," so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print. If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle--keeping awake while he did it was, at any rate.

I don't particularlly worry about repercussions since I haven't had any thus far.

Apparently, you don't worry about cogent thoughts, either.

Very true, I've said it before and have no qualms about saying it again: I personally do not know of any contradictions in the Bible.

OK, I take it back. You've had one cogent thought.

[Vance Renadi]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

any here think that faith is what you need and if you don't have it, you are damned, but all it takes is faith, and you can succeed as an immortal

[Brother McGregor]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

Albert Einstein did not believe in a God but he did believe in a powerful spirit. I suppose he just didn't want to call this "being" God. His reason for his belief was quite simple. He said the universe was too ordered and regulated for it all to be a fluke. He said the order of the universe suggested a powerful creative hand.
Why he did not want to call this being God, I do not know...but he still admitted the likelihood of a powerful entity in control.

Maybe you do not believe in God but I bet you believe in Albert Einstein. Would you consider that to be proof?

I do

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

Estne volumen in toga, Aenigmus Citarus Marxo, an solum tibi libet me videre?

You're gonna have to help me translate this one; I'm having a little trouble doing so on my own.

any here think that faith is what you need and if you don't have it, you are damned, but all it takes is faith, and you can succeed as an immortal

No.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

If you ask me (I know nobody did ask me, but just roll with it), Latin is better than English.

You're gonna have to help me translate this one; I'm having a little trouble doing so on my own.

When you said that Latin is better than English, I thought you were serious, so I wrote something suitably snarky:

Is that a scroll in your pocket, Enigma Harpo Marx, or are you just happy to see me?

My apoligies to the ladies of Landover for the indelicacy, and to you, Aenigmus Citarus Marxo, for not understanding that you were really just poking fun at the Catholic idiocy that God listens especially hard to prayers in Latin (I know, I know, roll with it should have been a dead givaway). They seem to think that, over the centuries, God forgot that he created Latin at the Tower of Babel as a curse upon the Catholics.

Anyway, my Latin isn't very good, I just learned enough to refute some Papal bull**** in Professor Gladstone's Catholicism and Other Heresies seminar at Landover Christian University. I'm much better with Hebrew, Aramaic, and Biblical Greek. Of course, with the definitive Word of God being the KJV1611, those languages are only of academic interest these days, for the refutation of non-KJV Biblical translations and the ingathering of the Jews in Jerusalem.

YIC,

AS

PS I'm really hoping it was a scroll. οτι ηταν ενα βιβλιο, ειμαι σωστη?

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

any here think that faith is what you need and if you don't have it, you are damned, but all it takes is faith, and you can succeed as an immortal

Excellent question, Brother Vance, excellent question. The Apostle James was the first to ask it:

James 2:14
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

I don't see how anything that we might say would make this any clearer than what the Bible says on this topic:

Jeremiah 17:10
I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Ezekiel 18:27
When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul.

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

So be sure to get yourself Baptized, by full immersion, preferably by a Landover pastor!

Luke 10:26-28
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

John 3:18, 36
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Acts 16:30-31
Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Romans 3:28
A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 10:9
If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

2 Corinthians 11:15
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

Galatians 2:16
A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.

James 2:17
Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

Really, you need to be Baptized!

1 Peter 1:17
The Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life.

I'm glad to have had a chance to clear that up for you.

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

When you said that Latin is better than English, I thought you were serious, so I wrote something suitably snarky:

Is that a scroll in your pocket, Enigma Harpo Marx, or are you just happy to see me?

Ahhh, scroll.....that's why I couldn't figure it out. I kept thinking "book" so the joke was really registering with me.

οτι ηταν ενα βιβλιο, ειμαι σωστη?

Sorry, my learning doesn't go far enough for me to even come remotely close to knowing this one... I'm sure it is well put and witty though

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: I want you to prove to me that god is real.

NASA scientists, using data from the Hubble Space Telescope, have proved that the Biblical story of God stopping the rotation of the Earth in Joshua 10 is true.

You can find the story here, from Biblical Skeptic Ministries. Now, I don't agree with that group on a lot of stuff--they refuse to believe anything in the Bible that hasn't been proved correct by modern science, which means they're putting their faith in the wrong place. But if they put their stamp of approval on something, you know that it will stand up to the scrutiny of any honest scientist, whether saved or not.