[Meek and Humble]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Really, then explain then why flare's are seen coming from the center of blackholes. They twist in the same fashion as DNA. This is also acknowledged in galaxies and nebula.

As far as light not being able to traveling faster than the particles that carry them. I guess you guys have forgotten about neutrinos. There are three types and they can go through anything, and are moving real fast, faster than light.

As for the word of God. Did you know history has proven over 18 Pagan Gods that died on a cross/tree just like that of Christ. Not to mention all the pagan gods that had 12 diciples. Horus, buddah, ect.

The only real shame I see with religion is that you ignore that we are all apart of one being and that we are all interconnected. And to think you do this because you have no ability to connect with anything other than your own ego.

If you believe that light travels that means you start at the assumption of the intromission theory.

Starting at assumptions is not scientific.

And saying Einsteins theories are empirical is ignorant.

A theory = something not proven scientifically.

Definition of theory:

An assumption based on information or knowledge; a conjecture.

If that's what you think science is, then no wonder you believe in evolution.

[Cindy Lou Jenkins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Really, then explain then why flare's are seen coming from the center of blackholes. They twist in the same fashion as DNA. This is also acknowledged in galaxies and nebula.

Only a pervert would perceive the universe this way.

As far as light not being able to traveling faster than the particles that carry them. I guess you guys have forgotten about neutrinos. There are three types and they can go through anything, and are moving real fast, faster than light.

You've been watching too much Star Wars.

As for the word of God. Did you know history has proven over 18 Pagan Gods that died on a cross/tree just like that of Christ. Not to mention all the pagan gods that had 12 diciples. Horus, buddah, ect.

Oh yeah? Well how many of those Pagan gods rose from the dead and were seen by those disciples before rising into Heaven to sit beside God the Father? How many of those Pagan gods are supported by the GOP?

The only real shame I see with religion is that you ignore that we are all apart of one being and that we are all interconnected. And to think you do this because you have no ability to connect with anything other than your own ego.

I am not one with you. That is a filthy, lecherous notion.

(Billy Bob: I approve this post.)

[RomanK]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Regarding some scientific evidence against the speed of light, from what i remember when i studied science a while back i was told that light can not travel through a vaccum (as sound cant). Therefore i have no idea why people believe starlight travels through space. Astronomers knew this for many years which is why they were searching for some kind of aether.

Really, then explain then why flare's are seen coming from the center of blackholes. They twist in the same fashion as DNA. This is also acknowledged in galaxies and nebula.

As far as light not being able to traveling faster than the particles that carry them. I guess you guys have forgotten about neutrinos. There are three types and they can go through anything, and are moving real fast, faster than light.

As for the word of God. Did you know history has proven over 18 Pagan Gods that died on a cross/tree just like that of Christ. Not to mention all the pagan gods that had 12 diciples. Horus, buddah, ect.

The only real shame I see with religion is that you ignore that we are all apart of one being and that we are all interconnected. And to think you do this because you have no ability to connect with anything other than your own ego.

[Marshall]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

How am I supposed to see something that supposedly happened millions of years ago? When an airplane passes overhead at night the lights are just as real and bright and are BEING SEEN AT THE SAME TIME. That means your science is flawed otherwise it would take millions of years for me to see the plane!

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

because the stars were there millions of years ago, and thus we are only just seeing them now as the light is reaching earth,

And you are assuming the intromission theory is true which you can not prove.

[clownbaby]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

So you were watching the sky for a million years to verify this?

Yes.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

because the stars were there millions of years ago, and thus we are only just seeing them now as the light is reaching earth,

So you were watching the sky for a million years to verify this?

[villainy]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Here is a question you.

So a light year = the distance light travels in a year.

Scientists say stars are million light years away.

So my question is how are we observing this light million light years away now?

I'm not millions of years old, i'm 20.

because the stars were there millions of years ago, and thus we are only just seeing them now as the light is reaching earth,

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

If I had to guess, I doubt [the sun] entirely shuts off but more likely goes into "sleep mode" as it gets to the far edge of the geodisc. God's not one for waste.

I agree. I have thought about this, and the proof is that we all know it gets chillier at night. If the sun were always on "full strength" when it was traveling under us on the other side of the geodisc, we would be equally warm (or almost equally warm) at night as during the day, because the heat would come up through the ground.

We know from experience and scientific experiments that that doesn't happen. So I agree the sun goes into some sort of other "sleep mode" at night, that isn't as hot.

[barton]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Nothing! Did I say it did? No, don't think so.
Stars are a source of light, and THAT is why we are able to see them, not because they would be reflecting anything, as that is what you stated:

"Light is what enables us to see the snail and the car. Therefore it is also what enables us to see the star."

So, there is a difference between light that is emitted and light that is reflected? I did not make such a distinction... you did.

Try to keep up. Whether or not a light is reflected speaks not at all to your preposterous theory that light travels at a speed. Can you not grasp your logical problem here?

After centuries of increasingly precise measurements, in 1975 the speed of light was known to be 299,792,458 m/s

Seems to me you cannot even keep your story straight. The number you put out for this so-called speed of light keeps changing. The Word of God does not change.

And why would the measurement units and methods be corrupt or foul?

The evils of the metric system are beyond the scope of this thread. Suffice to say, they are the concoction of a particularly nasty Dutch piece of work, further developed by a small group of gay French, English and German men as they lay exhausted after a round of rough anal sex.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

If you cannot reply to anything I actually wrote

Allow me to reply to what you actually wrote. You are an idiot!

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

When you see a snail coming towards you, from 10 metres away, it may take several minutes, maybe even hours until you are reached.
If someone is driving in his car, over the same distance, it would take considerably less time to get to you.
But neither of these have actually reached you at the exact moment you spot them, 10 metres away from you.
Same goes for the light from other stars.
Light that shines on the earth, from the stars has taken quite a while to actually get here. This light, going 300.000.000 m/s, may need billions of years to get to the earth, so you can assume the stars it comes from are quite far away
Im very sorry for you guys but i deny what your bible is saying (am i satans friend now?), the earth isnt 6004 years old. So if you want to disagree with me, please use an argument that doesnt claim that the earth only exists for 6000 years

There is no evidence starlight is millions of years old.

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

1. Because light is made of waves, not molecules, like water.

Water has waves too, have you never been to the ocean?

2. The speed of water falling down in your sink is way lower, as a result of the gravity of the earth pulling it. Light however, travels with such a high speed that is not possible to see the "tail or the beginning of the beam"

There is no such thing as gravity. If there were, I would not be able to shoot water from a hose up in the air.
Everything has a beginning and an end. What you say is preposterous!

3. The water does not contain energy to move, like the light does. The energy that brings light is the result of the nuclear reactions inside, for instance, stars.

Wrong again, ever been to Niagara Falls or Hoover Dam? How do you think they make electricity.

It's a shame to read you didn't reply to anything regarding content that I wrote. If you cannot reply to anything I actually wrote, you are just making up ways to make me look like a fool or anything, so then please leave this discussion for your colleague barton. He seems like a very intelligent person to me, very good at changing facts so for an outsider it would just seem as if he was dissing me. I'm having quite a good time with having this bullshit discussion

I did read the pile of BS you were shoveling. I am amazed Barton put up with as he did. Probably explains why he is known to drink a bit much from time to time.
By the way, I do not think you need anyones help to look like a fool, you seem to be very good at it be yourself.

[ozewozzie]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Light is instantaneous. It does not 'travel'.

If it was not instantaneous and it did travel, you'd see the beam of light 'travel' from a light when you first turned it on and then you'd see the tail end of the light just after you turned the light off.

When you turn the water on, you can see the water travel.

1. Because light is made of waves, not molecules, like water.
2. The speed of water falling down in your sink is way lower, as a result of the gravity of the earth pulling it. Light however, travels with such a high speed that is not possible to see the "tail or the beginning of the beam"
3. The water does not contain energy to move, like the light does. The energy that brings light is the result of the nuclear reactions inside, for instance, stars.


It's a shame to read you didn't reply to anything regarding content that I wrote. If you cannot reply to anything I actually wrote, you are just making up ways to make me look like a fool or anything, so then please leave this discussion for your colleague barton. He seems like a very intelligent person to me, very good at changing facts so for an outsider it would just seem as if he was dissing me. I'm having quite a good time with having this bullshit discussion

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Light is instantaneous. It does not 'travel'.

If it was not instantaneous and it did travel, you'd see the beam of light 'travel' from a light when you first turned it on and then you'd see the tail end of the light just after you turned the light off.

When you turn the water on, you can see the water travel.