[ozewozzie]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Reflect or emit... this has what to do with how fast you allege light moves?

Nothing! Did I say it did? No, don't think so.
Stars are a source of light, and THAT is why we are able to see them, not because they would be reflecting anything, as that is what you stated:

"Light is what enables us to see the snail and the car. Therefore it is also what enables us to see the star."

This site explains (in short) perfectly well how this "shining" of the stars works.

There are no real measurements. This whole thread treats that topic exhaustively. I suggest you read it in depth.

Moreover, your so-called measurement is with foul metric units.

After centuries of increasingly precise measurements, in 1975 the speed of light was known to be 299,792,458 m/s

Find more here about this subject.
And why would the measurement units and methods be corrupt or foul?

[barton]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

I'm not sure why you are starting about this old jesus, but he has nothing to do with the light I am talking about with you,

He has everything to do with everything. He's the reason this forum exists. He is present in this very thread. Can't you feel Him? He's the reason we have light in the first place.

Stars emit light, they do not reflect it, like other objects.

Reflect or emit... this has what to do with how fast you allege light moves?

Light goes with the speed of 300.000.000 m/s. It is actually measured.

There are no real measurements. This whole thread treats that topic exhaustively. I suggest you read it in depth.

Moreover, your so-called measurement is with foul metric units.

Time to think of another counter-argument ...

I will offer a counter-argument when you first offer an actual argument.

[ozewozzie]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Do you always stare at snails? Are you French, because they have a fixation for snails.

Haha omg your so funny.. haha.. not..
No, as you could see in my user description, I am not French.
Now, would you mind to actually reply to the content in my message? the snail was an example, it could as well be any other animal, or even any moving object.

Well, I am never 10 "metres" from anything as that is a distance measured in a corrupt, deviant unGodly system. Please the Lord, use "yards" instead.

I'm sure the lord is perfectly pleased when I use the word metres, but if it makes you happier, i'll use the term "yards" for you. Make it 10 yards instead of 10 metres. Happy now?

It's really not that difficult a concept! Why are you tripping up over this? Are you right with Jesus?

I'm not sure why you are starting about this old jesus, but he has nothing to do with the light I am talking about with you, so please leave him out of this conversation, just as you did with your bible.

Light is what enables us to see the snail and the car.

Correct.
The light enables us to see the snail and the car. Why? The light reflects on them into our eyes and therefore makes us see them.

Therefore it is also what enables us to see the star.

Wrong.
Stars emit light, they do not reflect it, like other objects. Atomic fusion inside the star causes very much heat and also light.

Since no one can demonstrate that light has a travel time, we must be seeing stars as they are now, not millions of years ago.

Light goes with the speed of 300.000.000 m/s. It is actually measured. So, saying "no one can demonstrate that light has a travel time" is just clear nonsense.

Time to think of another counter-argument (even if they are false) against this commonly known theory? Or just admit this whole topic is a big joke?

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

Oh, I am sure these guys time the light.

One guy at a star with his cell phone, another on the Earth with a stop watch....................................... Give me a break!

[barton]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

When you see a snail coming towards you, from 10 metres away, it may take several minutes, maybe even hours until you are reached.
If someone is driving in his car, over the same distance, it would take considerably less time to get to you.
But neither of these have actually reached you at the exact moment you spot them, 10 metres away from you.

Well, I am never 10 "metres" from anything as that is a distance measured in a corrupt, deviant unGodly system. Please the Lord, use "yards" instead.

Same goes for the light from other stars. ...

No it doesn't. That's asinine.

Light is what enables us to see the snail and the car. Therefore it is also what enables us to see the star. With me so far? Since no one can demonstrate that light has a travel time, we must be seeing stars as they are now, not millions of years ago.

It's really not that difficult a concept! Why are you tripping up over this? Are you right with Jesus?

[Lisa H]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

When you see a snail coming towards you, from 10 metres away, it may take several minutes, maybe even hours until you are reached.
If someone is driving in his car, over the same distance, it would take considerably less time to get to you.
But neither of these have actually reached you at the exact moment you spot them, 10 metres away from you.
Same goes for the light from other stars.
Light that shines on the earth, from the stars has taken quite a while to actually get here. This light, going 300.000.000 m/s, may need billions of years to get to the earth, so you can assume the stars it comes from are quite far away
Im very sorry for you guys but i deny what your bible is saying (am i satans friend now?), the earth isnt 6004 years old. So if you want to disagree with me, please use an argument that doesnt claim that the earth only exists for 6000 years

Do you always stare at snails? Are you French, because they have a fixation for snails.

[ozewozzie]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

How am I supposed to see some thing that happened millions of years ago?
It's stupid. It can't be done.

When you see a snail coming towards you, from 10 metres away, it may take several minutes, maybe even hours until you are reached.
If someone is driving in his car, over the same distance, it would take considerably less time to get to you.
But neither of these have actually reached you at the exact moment you spot them, 10 metres away from you.
Same goes for the light from other stars.
Light that shines on the earth, from the stars has taken quite a while to actually get here. This light, going 300.000.000 m/s, may need billions of years to get to the earth, so you can assume the stars it comes from are quite far away
Im very sorry for you guys but i deny what your bible is saying (am i satans friend now?), the earth isnt 6004 years old. So if you want to disagree with me, please use an argument that doesnt claim that the earth only exists for 6000 years

[Marshall]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

How am I supposed to see some thing that happened millions of years ago?
It's stupid. It can't be done.

[Aristotle]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The concept of god writing the bible is just theory as well!

No, its revealed truth, found in the KJV 1611 BIBLE.

Oh and btw light can't travel faster than the particles that carry it.

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With JESUS, anything is possible. While earthly light might have a speed limit of c. Holy light can be instantaneous.

[Lindroos]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

An excellent question you raised, Heathen Basher. You make a good point. Keep spreading the word of God, stay strong against the ignorance and intolerance of sinners. Good work.

God bless.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The concept of god writing the bible is just theory as well!

Oh and btw light can't travel faster than the particles that carry it.

Regarding some scientific evidence against the speed of light, from what i remember when i studied science a while back i was told that light can not travel through a vaccum (as sound cant). Therefore i have no idea why people believe starlight travels through space. Astronomers knew this for many years which is why they were searching for some kind of aether.

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The concept of god writing the bible is just theory as well!

No, God did have the Bible written. Throughout history, that has never been in dispute.

Oh and btw light can't travel faster than the particles that carry it.

That would be slow as the dust in the air at my home barely moves at all.

[RomanK]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

The speed of light is a theory based on the theory of relativity, which attempts to connect space and time.

The theory of relativity though is just a theory. Theories are not fact. Anything with theory in it's name is not proven most notebly: the theory of evolution.

I could invent a theory now i.e the theory that the sky is yellow, so the ''Yellow Sky Theory''. Obviously this doesn't make it a fact, it's just theoretical.

Most evolutionists though have a hard time understanding what is fact and what is theory or assumption, speculation etc. They can't distinguish between the two, and so they think evolution and any other science theory which has a considerable amount of support is a fact when it isn't.

The concept of god writing the bible is just theory as well!

Oh and btw light can't travel faster than the particles that carry it.

[RomanK]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

You need to see the car to know that it passed you, right? What allows you to see the car, though? Light. This is why we know that things are illuminated instantaneously. If there was an actual "travel time" for illumination... or an actual finite speed, if you will ...then there should be a relative offset in the illumination of objects traveling at different speeds.

However, there is no such difference in the speed at which things are illuminated. Therefore, light is transmitted instantaneously. Seems obvious to me, anyway. Or, are you going to argue for a special case, with respect to light speed? That would be ridiculous... who could possibly support that???

Also, light is described throughout the Bible. In 1st Timothy 6, we read:

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Light that no man can approach is obviously light that "travels" at infinite speed. Also, in Acts 22, we read about a "sudden" light:

6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.

It doesn't say "slowly there shone". It says "suddenly". Like a switch, the lights come on... no delay. Why would there be? So, it's pretty clear to me that the Bible teaches that light has no travel time. There are many, many other passages that directly support this, too.

The only reason you'd disagree would be because you don't believe the Bible. Is this the case?

Of course this makes sense when you have not an area to test the theory, I tell you what you go over about 5 galaxies and I'll turn on my porch light and radio back and you tell me when it turns on, but of course you will also have to factor in the speed of sound! So it might take twice as long to get the call.

[James Hutchins]

Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw

If the light was a million years old, it would be dim. The batteries in my flashlight can last barely a year.