[Bobby-Joe]

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The Bible says quite clearly that witches, freaks and heathens who denounce my God burn in hellfire. This Satanic trash, or 'Garbage people' as I call them, are a lost cause. They deserve NO RESPECT. By Biblical teachings, we should be burning them.

Godly point Reverend Green. We must show these sinners some Christian love and compassion. If it means a tough love act like a burning or a stoning so be it. I love my neighbor and want to help him reach heaven too.

[Unfalsifiable]

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Dear Friend,

Not even the feeblest minds among the atheists would be gulled in by this wheezy old gag. Your argument boils down to:

P1. Things exist.
P2. Every thing has a cause.
C1. Therefore, every thing that exists has a cause.
C2. And each of those causes has a cause.
P3. But that can't go on forever.
QED God.

To which any atheist worth the name would say:

P2 and P3 are contradictory. First, you assert that, yes, everything has a cause. And you have to say that to set up any mystery about why the Universe is here. If we're not in a search for causes, we could simply accept what is on its own brute terms. Then, after you start flowing backwards in the infinite regress of cause and effect, you change your mind and say that there has to be something that is not caused, i.e., that, no, not everything has a cause. And you have to say that, or you never escape from the investigation of natural phenomena. The problem for the profoundly unimpressed atheist is that you're trying to have it both ways.

If there has to be something that is not caused, a start to the whole sheebang, why not let it be the Universe which we all observe, rather than the God who we don't?

Logic is not the Christian's friend. The Bible is. Preach the Bible. The proof of God's existence is that the Bible says He exists. That proof cannot be undermined or talked away. It is self-sufficient and indisputable on its own terms.

Yours in Him,
bab

This is an extremely good post, but I believe there is still room for this logic.

Science states that everything is caused and something cannot come from nothing. Therefore everything we have ever experienced is contingent. So therefore somewhere something must be necessary, and even though that literally points nowhere but "away from science as we know it" it is still a point towards God.

[revrggreen]

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I love my neighbor and want to help him reach heaven too.

The thing that annoys me about most athiests and Christian-haters is how much they quote 'Love thy neighbor' - and tell us this means we should love everyone in the entire World?? Friends, this is nothing but trash!

The Dictionary definition of the word 'neighbor' is this -

Somebody living nearby: somebody who lives next door or close to somebody else

I would ask that these filthy heathens show me the dictionary which gives THEIR ridiculous definition of the word 'neighbor', because we know they cant! When God says 'Love thy neighbor', he means exactly that. Love the person who lives in the house next to yours. 'Love they neighbor' DOES NOT MEAN love everyone in the entire World who ever lived. If it did then the house next door to you would be pretty full.

Obviously this would be ridiculous, as the entire population of the Earth would not fit inside a single house. That is how stupid these athiests really are.

[Bobby-Joe]

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This is an extremely good post, but I believe there is still room for this logic.

Science states that everything is caused and something cannot come from nothing. Therefore everything we have ever experienced is contingent. So therefore somewhere something must be necessary, and even though that literally points nowhere but "away from science as we know it" it is still a point towards God.

It still think that playing into the atheist game friend. You argue God and they will argue there are plenty of naturalistic explanations for this. Consider the so called Bayneworld theory;

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/bigbang_alternative_010413-3.html

Basically it argues the observable universe are the result of other unobserved universes colliding. In one deft motion the atheist have conjured this “unobservable universe” out of thin air as a counter to our ineffable God. We can argue God, they can argue parallel universe and a Christian is trapped by God’s own wise choice to hide His existence. Neither of side can disprove the other so the atheist is still allowed to spead his evil lies.

The problem is science works under the false assumption that all phenomena has a natural explanation. Not only is this bad science since closes off unnatural sources as an explanation it is also inherently illogical. What scientist fall to accept is the very fact that God can be proved not to exist proves God exists.

The Transcendental Argument for the existence of God (TAG) explains this.

• Logic exists independent of any physical phenomena.
• God as described in The Bible is logical
• Therefore God exists.

The secularists can not explain why the “logic” he uses to explain the universe exists without God creating it. This is not like gravity that happens because of some physical mass, logic just is.

[Unfalsifiable]

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Saying there is a necessary other universe that can transcend time and space that can cause our universe is as unfalsifiable as saying God did it. In fact this universe sounds godly!

[Bobby-Joe]

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Saying there is a necessary other universe that can transcend time and space that can cause our universe is as unfalsifiable as saying God did it. In fact this universe sounds godly!

That's my point friend; we say God, the atheist says other universes colliding. (But
before you embrace Bayneworld remember an other universe is not that kind of caring, loving God like ours who creates flowers, rabbits and parasitic wasps. It is a subtle game the atheists are playing here friend) We’re stuck trying to prove negatives.

You have to remember an atheist is willfully blinded by his lies friend. He is like a small child throwing a tantrum who when given even the slightest opening will say “it an’t so” even when presented with the strongest proof. Look how atheists twist the proof of a global flood into supporting their evolution theory. That why you must take it to higher plane were the atheist has no wiggle room. Stick with The Bible and TAG friend, it’s the combination atheists fear the most.

[Unfalsifiable]

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Well the point of the first cause argument was to reduce the atheist to the same position as the theist, which it does successfully. And that point is there is something we might describe as godly if we ever encountered it.

Christians can then talk about the Bible, or rather, they never needed to do the thought experiment because they had the Bible.