[Brother Habbo]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

Hey uh.. you guys should know that I have unfalsifiable proof the earth is round. My Uncle, Jeffrey Williams, (Kyle M. Williams typing to you now) was on the space shuttle Atlantis back in 2000. He actually showed me pictures taken from just inside the shuttle (you could see the rim of the port hole) of the earth, they were orbiting when it was taken. (really nice pictures too! )

All your Uncle's pictures show is that the Earth is a disc.

Augustine might have been a depraved Mary worshiper, but he had this much right:

But as to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets to us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours, that is on no ground credible. And, indeed, it is not affirmed that this has been learned by historical knowledge, but by scientific conjecture, on the ground that the earth is suspended within the concavity of the sky, and that it has as much room on the one side of it as on the other: hence they say that the part which is beneath must also be inhabited. But they do not remark that, although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled.

[Sacha-DG]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

Well if you can find a mountain peak from which the whole world can be seen, I would gladly agree with you.
The peak of most mountains are below the level of the clouds, and those which are not would be far to small to see even close to that far. Even from an aeroplane, which flies much higher than the peak of any mountain, you cannot see the whole Earth.
Remember in Matthew's time that Australia and America had not yet been discovered by anyone other than the natives (Even though they didn't technically 'discover' it.). If Jesus had gone up onto this mountain and seen America and Australia, why did he not tell his disciples? Why would he want to keep this a secret?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

Well if you can find a mountain peak from which the whole world can be seen, I would gladly agree with you.
The peak of most mountains are below the level of the clouds, and those which are not would be far to small to see even close to that far. Even from an aeroplane, which flies much higher than the peak of any mountain, you cannot see the whole Earth.
Remember in Matthew's time that Australia and America had not yet been discovered by anyone other than the natives (Even though they didn't technically 'discover' it.). If Jesus had gone up onto this mountain and seen America and Australia, why did he not tell his disciples? Why would he want to keep this a secret?

I've mentioned this before; gravity bends light. Gravity is pulling the light rays down to the earth so that's why you can only see twenty miles.

[Sacha-DG]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

I've mentioned this before; gravity bends light. Gravity is pulling the light rays down to the earth so that's why you can only see twenty miles.

Then how could Jesus have seen the whole world?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

Then how could Jesus have seen the whole world?

Because He's God. He can do anything He wants.

Why don't you try reading the Bible, then you might not ask such stupid questions....

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

Then how could Jesus have seen the whole world?

You're the one arguing for a (snicker) round Earth. Now if the Earth was (snort) "round" how could Jesus see it all? Well, explain it.

[Sacha-DG]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

You're the one arguing for a (snicker) round Earth. Now if the Earth was (snort) "round" how could Jesus see it all? Well, explain it.

That's my point. He didn't see it all. Otherwise, surely he would have told us about America, Australia and all the faraway lands we never knew about until someone actually went and found them.

And I have yet to be answered as to where the edge of the Earth is. I should like to go there one day.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

The peak of most mountains are below the level of the clouds

What if it's a sunny day?

Even from an aeroplane, which flies much higher than the peak of any mountain

Really? Airplanes fly that high? Who would have thought that? Now that you have explained this, I have seen the light, and am abandoning my faith in God.

Note to Sacha: That was irony.

Remember in Matthew's time that Australia and America had not yet been discovered by anyone other than the natives

Wow, another revelation! I always thought the ancient Egyptians lived in Alexandria, Virginia. Now that I know they lived in Alexandria, Egypt, it all makes so much more sense. Thank you for sharing this pearl of important but often overlooked geohistorical wisdom.

If Jesus had gone up onto this mountain and seen America and Australia, why did he not tell his disciples? Why would he want to keep this a secret?

What in Heaven's name would the Apostles have done with that information? Jesus didn't tell them about America for the same reason he didn't tell them about X-rays--they lacked the technology to do anything about it, and Jesus had more pressing issues to discuss in his limited time on Earth.

Well if you can find a mountain peak from which the whole world can be seen, I would gladly agree with you.

There are of hundreds of mountains on the Moon from which the entire Earth can be seen. They're even higher up than airplanes. Glad to see you now agree that the Earth is flat.

[Sacha-DG]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

There are of hundreds of mountains on the Moon from which the entire Earth can be seen. They're even higher up than airplanes. Glad to see you now agree that the Earth is flat.

Alright fair enough, allow me to rephrase: Show me a mountain peak from which every kingdom of the Earth can be seen. If you were to look down upon the Earth from the Moon, you would see half of the Earth.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

Alright fair enough, allow me to rephrase: Show me a mountain peak from which every kingdom of the Earth can be seen. If you were to look down upon the Earth from the Moon, you would see half of the Earth.

A. You don't know that, since you've never been there.

B. Even the scientists say that you would if you stayed up there for 28 days. Matthew didn't say how long they took.

Although you are completely wrong about the shape of the Earth, at least you ask reasonably intelligent questions. So, please keep asking away until we have resolved all of your doubts on this issue.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

That's my point. He didn't see it all.

Did you just call Jesus a liar?

What in Heaven's name would the Apostles have done with that information? Jesus didn't tell them about America for the same reason he didn't tell them about X-rays--they lacked the technology to do anything about it, and Jesus had more pressing issues to discuss in his limited time on Earth.

Good point. Start discussing whether Jesus told the disciples about America, and you're only a hop, a skip and a jump away from Mormonism.

[Sacha-DG]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

A. You don't know that, since you've never been there.

I've seen plenty of photos of it though. I have seen and taken photos myself, so I have no reason to believe that there is any reason why the photos would be inaccurate.

. Even the scientists say that you would if you stayed up there for 28 days. Matthew didn't say how long they took.

If you could point me in the direction of this research, from a non-biased source, it would be much appreciated.

Referring back a few pages to my point about arc seconds, gravity just clearly doesn't have enough effect on light to make the world appear round if it is flat. We can observe that from the Earth's surface.

Also, if light is bent towards the Earth, how can we see the ground, surely the light wouldn't be reflected from it?

[Stranger]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

I've mentioned this before; gravity bends light. Gravity is pulling the light rays down to the earth so that's why you can only see twenty miles.

Yes gravity bends light, but not only enough to change it by a few degree seconds, not nearly enough to bend light enough so you cannot see very far.

[Sacha-DG]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

Also, if light is bent towards the Earth, how can we see the ground, surely the light wouldn't be reflected from it?

Any answers?

[Enigmatic Harpo Marx]

Re: Flat Earth? Hell Yes!

Any answers?

Ummm, are you suggesting that light doesn't reflect off the ground?

Spoiler: Everything that we can see reflects light. The reflection of light is how we see.