[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Quoting frases from the Bible doesn't really answer my question...in fact thanks to my argument it only makes me think that He wrote it just to mess with us, just to bring more pain to those that are forced on the caos side, you know we might have lost the free will but we still have a concious

Why would God write the Bible just to mess with us?

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

Nothing about "whosoever is manipulated to believeth in him."

Quoting frases from the Bible doesn't really answer my question...in fact thanks to my argument it only makes me think that He wrote it just to mess with us, just to bring more pain to those that are forced on the caos side, you know we might have lost the free will but we still have a concious

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Why would I want to prove anything about God? You came here with the big claims about what God is but you just made stuff up.

But you can't disproof what im saying also....

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Your right i can't prove that GOD made me sin because I don't know, I'm just assuming, but the same goes for you, you can't prove that GOD doesn't make people sin, "I bet you can't because God made it that way."

Why would I want to prove anything about God? You came here with the big claims about what God is but you just made stuff up.

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Got any evidence for that or are you just making it up?

Am I hearing that from you?? I mean do you believe that GOD is almighty? Since He is almighty He can do anything right? thus making my argument valid.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Then explain it to me...how do you not know that it was GOD that manipulated you in to worshiping Him? Since in my argument GOD is omnipotent He can change people's free will and has I explained you can get order without caos, you just happen to be in the Order side.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

Nothing about "whosoever is manipulated to believeth in him."

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Yes, and so what?

How does that absolve your fault for being such a wicked sinner?

Quite trying to pass the blame on to our all powerful, all knowing, Creator and take some personal responsibility for your sins. God is perfect you know.

Here, let show you the Power of God® in action. Show me proof that God made you sin. I bet you can't because God made it that way.

That's what all powerful means.

Your right i can't prove that GOD made me sin because I don't know, I'm just assuming, but the same goes for you, you can't prove that GOD doesn't make people sin, "I bet you can't because God made it that way."

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

GOD is the most powerfull being in the Universe right? Then He is omniscient and omnipotent in other words God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe or when He created the universe He also foresaw everything to the end of time in other words He forged a path for the life by forging a path to life He saw or knew what every Human that existed or will exist did or will do (the omniscient part) and since He is omnipotent He has the power to change peoples free will to follow the path of life and in life since you can't get order without caos, GOD can change the free will of some people to commit caos there for GOD planned for all this, for the caos and the order and since He planned for that each individual isn't at fault.

Got any evidence for that or are you just making it up?

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

My brother in Christ, Redeemed Papist, can this one be saved? I wonder if he's just so deep in denial and delusion that God has hardened his heart like He did the pharaoh's. It makes me weep for his soul but he seems to not be able to comprehend even the simplest of concepts.

Then explain it to me...how do you not know that it was GOD that manipulated you in to worshiping Him? Since in my argument GOD is omnipotent He can change people's free will and has I explained you can get order without caos, you just happen to be in the Order side.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

GOD is the most powerfull being in the Universe right? Then He is omniscient and omnipotent in other words God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe or when He created the universe He also foresaw everything to the end of time in other words He forged a path for the life by forging a path to life He saw or knew what every Human that existed or will exist did or will do (the omniscient part) and since He is omnipotent He has the power to change peoples free will to follow the path of life and in life since you can't get order without caos, GOD can change the free will of some people to commit caos there for GOD planned for all this, for the caos and the order and since He planned for that each individual isn't at fault.

Yes, and so what?

How does that absolve your fault for being such a wicked sinner?

Quite trying to pass the blame on to our all powerful, all knowing, Creator and take some personal responsibility for your sins. God is perfect you know.

Here, let show you the Power of God(r) in action. Show me proof that God made you sin. I bet you can't because God made it that way.

That's what all powerful means.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

My brother in Christ, Redeemed Papist, can this one be saved? I wonder if he's just so deep in denial and delusion that God has hardened his heart like He did the pharaoh's. It makes me weep for his soul but he seems to not be able to comprehend even the simplest of concepts.

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

GOD is the most powerfull being in the Universe right? Then He is omniscient and omnipotent in other words God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe or when He created the universe He also foresaw everything to the end of time in other words He forged a path for the life by forging a path to life He saw or knew what every Human that existed or will exist did or will do (the omniscient part) and since He is omnipotent He has the power to change peoples free will to follow the path of life and in life since you can't get order without caos, GOD can change the free will of some people to commit caos there for GOD planned for all this, for the caos and the order and since He planned for that each individual isn't at fault.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Maybe thats just the way he programmed me, to be in doubt, and since im in doubt, by your standards that makes me a sinner but im only a sinner because He programmed me to be one (do you get my logic, it all comes down to Him)

Find me something in the Bible that backs up your baseless assumptions about God, please. I'm particularly interested in the bit where he programmed you to sin and your every action.

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

You're just going round in circles now.

Look, what is so hard to believe? God made you as described. And here you are hating Him for it and arguing He doesn't make sense.

Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

Maybe thats just the way he programmed me, to be in doubt, and since im in doubt, by your standards that makes me a sinner but im only a sinner because He programmed me to be one (do you get my logic, it all comes down to Him)

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

You are contradicting your self. If GOD created them(programmed them) to sin then you call that NOT HAVING FREE WILL since free will is for example:
GOD creates a person but does not touch free will in other meaning a person is neutral and throughout they'r wole lifes, in a course that wasn't planned by the Lord, they become Good or Evil, thats the only way that GOD can judge them

No! You are playing semantics games which baffle you because you are trying to understand God.

Job 37:5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.

Job 26:14 "Behold, these are the fringes of His ways; And how faint a word we hear of Him! But His mighty thunder, who can understand?"