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Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Again

It's the sinner's fault because God created them to damn themselves by their free will.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

You are contradicting your self. If GOD created them(programmed them) to sin then you call that NOT HAVING FREE WILL since free will is for example:
GOD creates a person but does not touch free will in other meaning a person is neutral and throughout they'r wole lifes, in a course that wasn't planned by the Lord, they become Good or Evil, thats the only way that GOD can judge them

[Redeemed Papist]

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But GOD programmed those people to sin they didn't had any other choice but to sin and since GOD was at fault here He doesn't have the right to judge.
Its not my "dreadful unbelief" its just logic, wich I assume you have...

You're just going round in circles now.

Look, what is so hard to believe? God made you as described. And here you are hating Him for it and arguing He doesn't make sense.

Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

But GOD programmed those people to sin they didn't had any other choice but to sin and since GOD was at fault here He doesn't have the right to judge.
Its not my "dreadful unbelief" its just logic, wich I assume you have...

Reread the first part of Genesis. God didn't force Eve to do anything. If you have a problem with sin, take it up with her.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

But GOD programmed those people to sin they didn't had any other choice but to sin and since GOD was at fault here He doesn't have the right to judge.
Its not my "dreadful unbelief" its just logic, wich I assume you have...

God has the write to judge because God is perfect and has selfless love.

Face it, everyone deserves to burn in hell forever for just existing. God's just doing what is right.

[Fnatic]

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But GOD programmed those people to sin they didn't had any other choice but to sin and since GOD was at fault here He doesn't have the right to judge.
Its not my "dreadful unbelief" its just logic, wich I assume you have...

[Mary Etheldreda]

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GOD who created the world, foresaw and programed everything->people sin-> but GOD programmed those people to sin->who is at fault??

You can't help being a sinful scum, Eve lost perfection and you can't inherit what no longer exists. But you can choose to go to Heaven or Hell. In His mercy, God offers a way for us to be redeemed anyway:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

[Bobby-Joe]

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"An omniscient omnipotent God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe. There's no way anything could happen that he didn't foresee, and the only way anything could happen differently is for him to create things in a different way. How do we have free will when every decision we make was decided for us before or at the same time as the universe was created?" - If GOD planned all this why does He need to judge people

Please give me a strait answer, at no point in this argument i said or was said that GOD never existed I only stated that if GOD foresaw everything even the diferent sets of minds, why does he bother with judging people since he planned for those people to sin? Since it's Is fault for planning those people to sin, the people in question didn't sin because GOD, being the most powerfull force, forced those people to sin.

Let me recap:

GOD who created the world, foresaw and programed everything->people sin-> but GOD programmed those people to sin->who is at fault??

Again

It's the sinner's fault because God created them to damn themselves by their free will.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[Redeemed Papist]

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GOD who created the world, foresaw and programed everything->people sin-> but GOD programmed those people to sin->who is at fault??

The sinner for not following God's instructions on how to not burn in Hell.

I have no problem not sinning. Stop trying to look for excuses for your dreadful unbelief.

[Fnatic]

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"An omniscient omnipotent God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe. There's no way anything could happen that he didn't foresee, and the only way anything could happen differently is for him to create things in a different way. How do we have free will when every decision we make was decided for us before or at the same time as the universe was created?" - If GOD planned all this why does He need to judge people

Please give me a strait answer, at no point in this argument i said or was said that GOD never existed I only stated that if GOD foresaw everything even the diferent sets of minds, why does he bother with judging people since he planned for those people to sin? Since it's Is fault for planning those people to sin, the people in question didn't sin because GOD, being the most powerfull force, forced those people to sin.

Let me recap:

GOD who created the world, foresaw and programed everything->people sin-> but GOD programmed those people to sin->who is at fault??

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Didn´t GOD created the world??? And since GOD is omniscient omnipotent...

We owe Him our very lives. He knows the sinful nature of our hearts and has offered us Salvation even when we don't deserve it.

I don't understand why you're so confused. Have you ever read the Bible?

[Redeemed Papist]

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Didn´t GOD created the world??? And since GOD is omniscient omnipotent...you know the rest. Please continue

Yes, God created the world.

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

At no point do I see anything about Him not existing.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Heres another one:


"An omniscient omnipotent God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe. There's no way anything could happen that he didn't foresee, and the only way anything could happen differently is for him to create things in a different way. How do we have free will when every decision we make was decided for us before or at the same time as the universe was created?" - If GOD planned all this why does He need to judge people

That's easy. God is perfect therefor God loves justice. To get justice God creates people whom it's their fault they are evil so God can punish them.

Is that clear enough for you?

Please keep in mind God damned Himself temperately during the three days Jesus was dead. NO ONE escapes God's justice. Even God.

[Fnatic]

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Didn´t GOD created the world??? And since GOD is omniscient omnipotent...you know the rest. Please continue

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Heres another one:


"An omniscient omnipotent God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe. There's no way anything could happen that he didn't foresee, and the only way anything could happen differently is for him to create things in a different way. How do we have free will when every decision we make was decided for us before or at the same time as the universe was created?" - If GOD planned all this why does He need to judge people

Where can I find that in the Bible?

No, wait, I can't.

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Heres another one:


"An omniscient omnipotent God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe. There's no way anything could happen that he didn't foresee, and the only way anything could happen differently is for him to create things in a different way. How do we have free will when every decision we make was decided for us before or at the same time as the universe was created?" - If GOD planned all this why does He need to judge people