[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Let’s say that scientists don’t need to run around and beg for money (what is not true), then who’s financing their “scientific efforts”? Do they sell their products and services on free market?

Well, most scientific efforts are funded through grants from private foundations, government grants, educational grants. Most scientists do sell their product on the free marketplace. If you've ever touched a computer, television, cd, plastic, glasses, alcohol, paint, or just about anything else you can think of, it's a product of scientific innovation.

And I'm not talking about my money, I'm talking about the billions of dollars that are scammed out of people every week who attend church and donate their money.

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

The more widely accepted, scripturally substantiated notion is that the God exist. This notion is way, way older than Evolution theory. And you expect from us to prove you His existence, not the other way around? Again, you came here and claim His nonexistence, not the other way around.

First we have to establish true / false criteria; is it true what corresponds to reality? Can we agree that at least what is tangible, what we can see, touch and feel is true?

YiC, DUH

Yes, but relying on a single book written thousands of years ago to dictate the presence of an afterlife isn't exactly the best material for proving that God exists. In fact, it's probably not working in your favor at all. Essentially, God hasn't done shit in a few thousand years. Tangible would be seeing, touching, smelling, hearing, and feeling (not with your heart, with your physical senses) as well as measurable and can be reproduced by another person independent of your own experience.

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

But gravity doesn't have people running around recruiting new members by the day, asking for money, and explained by a three thousand year old text book...

Let’s say that scientists don’t need to run around and ask for money (what is not true), then who’s financing their “scientific efforts”? Do they sell their products and services on free market?

Besides, we didn’t ask you for money; you offered donation on your own.

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Have you ever actually seen a giraffe? They eat leaves off the tops of trees! They also eat grass. They prance. They leap. They drink from waterholes and climb things (rocks).

Yes, they eat grass now. When grass was scarce, most likely during a period of long-term darkness or even an ice-age of sorts prevented grass from growing, the giraffe's with longer necks were able to stay alive by eating the plants that were unreachable by other animals, including the giraffes that did not have the longer necks.

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

The most widely accepted, scientifically substantiated theory is the theory of evolution. The evidence that is provided through decades of studies have all linked back to a common ancestor as well as a genetic relation to the primates that inhabit the earth today. You have yet to offer any scientific evidence to prove that God exists. You also have yet to offer any evidence that anything that claims to have occurred in the Bible is true. I already said, I'd donate 20 dollars to the forum if you could prove to me that something out of the Bible is true. With evidence.

The more widely accepted, scripturally substantiated notion is that the God exist. This notion is way, way older than Evolution theory. And you expect from us to prove you His existence, not the other way around? Again, you came here and claim His nonexistence, not the other way around.

First we have to establish true / false criteria; is it true what corresponds to reality? Can we agree that at least what is tangible, what we can see, touch and feel is true?

YiC, DUH

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

The giraffe is the best example.

Have you ever actually seen a giraffe? They eat leaves off the tops of trees! They also eat grass. They prance. They leap. They drink from waterholes and climb things (rocks).

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Ok, let's say for a minute that I'm in your shoes. Someone comes up to me and says "hey, the force of gravity doesn't exist since since we actually cannot see it." Should I just believe him or tell him that the burden of proof is on his side?

YiC, DUH

But gravity doesn't have people running around recruiting new members by the day, asking for money, and explained by a three thousand year old text book. You don't sing to gravity, and gravity doesn't make promises of a place in the sky for all do-gooders to live in.

Not to mention that gravity is measurable, and can be demonstrated very easily by a 5th grader in an elementary science fair. Let's see that happen with God.

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Ok, let's say for a minute that you're in my shoes. Someone comes up to you and says "hey, there's this invisible guy in the sky..."

Ok, let's say for a minute that I'm in your shoes. Someone comes up to me and says "hey, the force of gravity doesn't exist since since we actually cannot see it." Should I just believe him or tell him that the burden of proof is on his side?

YiC, DUH

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Okay, let’s try with your “logical thought process”.


Do you really want to tell us that droplets of water on a microwave and a fogged up window are proofs that “water going back up into the sky” (as Victroy doubts). Following logical thought process you might come to an exactly different conclusion: that water doesn’t go very far away.


Substantially, you’re right; the burden of proofs is on the side of science... and you. But I’m not sure if you understand what the Burden of Proof (“onus probandi”) really means? It means that “the necessity of proof always lies with the person who makes claims.” You came here and claimed that that God doesn’t exist; you have to prove His nonexistence. Will you try with the Big Bang? Go on.


Will you keep the promise or you'll backpaddle when I'll prove you that at least one part of the Bible is true? How much are you ready to donate to the LBC forum?

YiC, DUH

The most widely accepted, scientifically substantiated theory is the theory of evolution. The evidence that is provided through decades of studies have all linked back to a common ancestor as well as a genetic relation to the primates that inhabit the earth today. You have yet to offer any scientific evidence to prove that God exists. You also have yet to offer any evidence that anything that claims to have occurred in the Bible is true. I already said, I'd donate 20 dollars to the forum if you could prove to me that something out of the Bible is true. With evidence.

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Have you really? And how did you do that?

Oh and nobody can see God, silly. It says so in the Bible.

Ok, let's say for a minute that you're in my shoes. Someone comes up to you and says "hey, there's this invisible guy in the sky who grants wishes if you're good and when you die he'll take your dead body into his house in the clouds where you'll be joined with all the other people who have been good and believed in him." Then the guy says to you, "oh, and he's got all the power in the world, and all the knowledge of everything that's ever happened and going to happen, but he needs you to donate money every week to the leader of our group." Then he says "make sure you involve your whole family because you want them to go to his house in the clouds as well, but make sure that they also bring money to donate as well." Then the man says "but to be truly a part of our group, you have to get your head dunked under water, and you have to eat bread and wine which is symbolic of eating the flesh of his son and drinking his blood."

Doesn't it seem strange that someone with omnipotence would require earthly things like money, require you to participate in metaphorical cannibalism, and then keep spreading the lie to everyone you meet because you feel some sick sense of happiness by doing all this?

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

What I think is interesting is not a single person attempted to refute anything I had to say on page 5. It must be hard to argue against logical thought processes when all you have is fairytales.

Okay, let’s try with your “logical thought process”.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I've never even once seen water going back up into the sky.

...So, have you ever been boiling water and noticed that water droplets start hanging from your range top or your microwave (whatever is above your stove)? Have you ever been in the shower and got out and your window is all fogged up and when you wipe it off, it makes your towel wet? ...

Do you really want to tell us that droplets of water on a microwave and a fogged up window are proofs that “water going back up into the sky” (as Victroy doubts). Following logical thought process you might come to an exactly different conclusion: that water doesn’t go very far away.

...There are burdens of proof in science. There is none in religion. I think it's hilarious how you can sit there and mock me when you have zero physical proof of the existence of God. Zero. Show me one thing that proves that God exists. Proof requires evidence, and evidence requires a scientific method.

Substantially, you’re right; the burden of proofs is on the side of science... and you. But I’m not sure if you understand what the Burden of Proof (“onus probandi”) really means? It means that “the necessity of proof always lies with the person who makes claims.” You came here and claimed that that God doesn’t exist; you have to prove His nonexistence. Will you try with the Big Bang? Go on.

If you can follow it and prove to me one part of the Bible is true, I'll donate the money.

Will you keep the promise or you'll backpaddle when I'll prove you that at least one part of the Bible is true? How much are you ready to donate to the LBC forum?

YiC, DUH

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Have you really? And how did you do that?

While attending the University of Utah as a research assistant at the Hunstman Cancer Institute, I had access to two scanning electron microscopes as well as some of the most advanced equipment that is available right now in cancer research. I've been working as an RN with an Oncologist for seven years now after leaving school.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Have you ever seen God? Has he ever walked up to you and said "hey Papist, let's go for a walk?"

The difference? I have actually seen my own DNA.

Have you really? And how did you do that?

Oh and nobody can see God, silly. It says so in the Bible.

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Hands up all those who think this monkey worshipper has even seen a gene...

What, nobody?

Whereas here's the world, just like the Bible says it is. Hands uup all the people who can see the world and read the Bible to cross reference.

Have you ever seen God? Has he ever walked up to you and said "hey Papist, let's go for a walk?"

The difference? I have actually seen my own DNA.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

No one says to themselves "I want to get married to the ugliest, fattest, most idiotic person I can find." Those are undesirable traits among our species, and so people who are fat and ugly and stupid usually aren't the ones doing the majority of the procreating.

What an offensive person! How do you explain the Germans?