[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

He's just some socialist constantly on the lookout for a handout, so his first instinct upon finding our Creation Science forum is to try to get us to do his homework for him. He's probably never put in an honest day's work in his life.

These sass-mouthed libs are all the same.

Proverbs 24:30-31
I went by the field of the slothful, and by the vineyard of the man void of understanding;
And, lo, it was all grown over with thorns, and nettles had covered the face thereof, and the stone wall thereof was broken down.

You assume I'm a socialist looking for a handout because I believe in evolution? You're all dumber than I thought!

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Obviously you don't understand where you are. We believe the Bible is the inspired and inerrant Word of God and is sharper than a two-edged sword (Hebrews 4:12) and that faith comes from hearing the Word of Christ (Romans 10:17).


Of course that's how it is. If evolution is true, why aren't humans having other species?


If humans were truly separated for thousands of years, why can any European mate with any indigenous North American or aboriginal people from the Islands of Australia or New Zealand?



It surely seems as if you do. You ask us to accept that we are no better than a monkey or even "less developed than other predators," when the Word tells us that we are so much more.

Gen 1 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Luke 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

I sure wouldn't want to be in your shoes. Feeling like I was no better than some dumb animal.



And who is our neighbor, according to the Gospel?

We have not been around long enough to procreate into new species. We've also not had a major trial in humanity that has forced us to adapt to a changing climate or another environmental stressor. Humans have only been at the forefront of existance for just over 3000 years, far shy of the time needed to evolve.

Also, to answer your question about mating, it's actually very hard for certain ethnicities to interbreed because of blood compatibility. We're getting further and further away from being able to breed though. The only difference is that we've got the technology and means to keep our entire species localized, even though we live on different continents. Other animals have no developed the means to travel across vast oceans to breed.

I said that some predators are more adapted to their survival than we are. I also said that we're advanced, but we also have primal senses which occur in all mammals. You have to realize the Bible was written thousands of years ago, and it's most pure form in existence, is missing hundreds of pages. Not to mention the bastardization that's occurred over the centuries to omit certain aspects of the Bible out. If you're willing to put your whole life on the line for an edited half-full transcript of pre-medieval peasants, then be my guest. I just hope that one day, you come to your senses and appreciate what science has done to make your life that much better. (Hell, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.)

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

We don't put "faith" in any monkeys, but I do agree with your statement that we believe in randomness.

People keep saying that, people who claim to believe in the origin of species by natural selection (evolutionists). Natural selection differs from artificial selection in that selection of mates is decided by the animals themselves rather than by someone else deliberately trying to breed beef cattle (or dairy cattle) or sheep or something.

Neither of these are random selection. Different characteristics are selected for in breeding partners and offspring have the chosen attributes. In the case of apes - the Darwinist announces - we are the offspring of ancestors who chose their mates wisely, imparting traits which have withstood the ravages of "ice-ages" torrid "interglacial periods" even the occasional "snowball earth" over "millions" and "millions" and "millions" and "millions" and "millions" and "millions" of years. The fact [they gloat] that a prehistoric microbe found X a desirable trait even though it didn't have any apparent purpose (other than seeming "sexy") means that when "the time comes" that characteristic will guarantee the survival of all "us apes" - FAITH INDEED.

But what a futile and degenerate hope their delusion affords. They don't tell you that in their Godless "natural selection" everything without trait X dies in agony. Ripped limb from limb in all liklihood by the ones who did survive. Their faith that the 1% who survived had given us strength to prevail in reality is the certainty that 99% of them will not.

If that's faith in monkeys, count me out!

Jesus said:

JOHN 6:47-50 Uerely, verely I say vnto you, Hee that beleeueth on me, hath euerlasting life. I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eate Manna in the wildernesse, and are dead. This is the bread which commeth downe from heauen, that a man may eate thereof, and not die.
©1611

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

What I found amazing is how he basis all of this on blind faith. He just believes everything that he is told. However we only have to open our own eyes to see the evidence of God's creation. We also have the personal evidence of the joy that comes into our lives when we allow Jesus to enter us. His evidence is all based on the hearsay of people he has not even met.

YiC

Jack

Are you kidding me? What is there blind faith about? Genetics is blind faith? Science is blind faith? There are burdens of proof in science. There is none in religion. I think it's hilarious how you can sit there and mock me when you have zero physical proof of the existence of God. Zero. Show me one thing that proves that God exists. Proof requires evidence, and evidence requires a scientific method. You can't do it and you know you can't do it. Telling me to "look at God's creation" isn't proof. In fact, it's probably the furthest thing away from the truth you can get.

If you can prove to me that any part of the Bible is real, I'll donate 20 dollars to this forum.

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_method.shtml

This is for little kids, it shows the scientific method. If you can follow it and prove to me one part of the Bible is true, I'll donate the money.

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

People keep saying that, people who claim to believe in the origin of species by natural selection (evolutionists). Natural selection differs from artificial selection in that selection of mates is decided by the animals themselves rather than by someone else deliberately trying to breed beef cattle (or dairy cattle) or sheep or something.

Neither of these are random selection. Different characteristics are selected for in breeding partners and offspring have the chosen attributes. In the case of apes - the Darwinist announces - we are the offspring of ancestors who chose their mates wisely, imparting traits which have withstood the ravages of "ice-ages" torrid "interglacial periods" even the occasional "snowball earth" over "millions" and "millions" and "millions" and "millions" and "millions" and "millions" of years. The fact [they gloat] that a prehistoric microbe found X a desirable trait even though it didn't have any apparent purpose (other than seeming "sexy") means that when "the time comes" that characteristic will guarantee the survival of all "us apes" - FAITH INDEED.

But what a futile and degenerate hope their delusion affords. They don't tell you that in their Godless "natural selection" everything without trait X dies in agony. Ripped limb from limb in all liklihood by the ones who did survive. Their faith that the 1% who survived had given us strength to prevail in reality is the certainty that 99% of them will not.

If that's faith in monkeys, count me out!

Jesus said:

JOHN 6:47-50 Uerely, verely I say vnto you, Hee that beleeueth on me, hath euerlasting life. I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eate Manna in the wildernesse, and are dead. This is the bread which commeth downe from heauen, that a man may eate thereof, and not die.
©1611

Natural selection is survival of the fittest, adapting to survive beyond the ever changing environment and outsmarting predators. The giraffe is the best example. Why would a giraffe have a long neck? It's counter intuitive. If a giraffe had a shorter neck, it could eat things off the ground and survive. Again, why would they need to reach high up into the trees to eat? Could it be....that the ground no longer had vegetation? The taller ones bred with the taller ones because...well they were the only ones who stayed alive. All the short necked giraffes died off in competing for food. Simple genetics, tall necked giraffes breed with tall necked giraffes and you have tall necked giraffe babies and so on and so forth.

There are probably instances where certain genetic traits have been more desirable, and it's very apparent in animals today. There's a reason why elk still fight each other in the mountains, why moose still fight, why big horned sheep still fight. There's a reason why birds are flamboyantly colored. You can't propagate your species if you're not found attractive. Thus, the unattractive members of the species are going to die out and become obsolete because they weren't bred together. We do the same thing. No one says to themselves "I want to get married to the ugliest, fattest, most idiotic person I can find." Those are undesirable traits among our species, and so people who are fat and ugly and stupid usually aren't the ones doing the majority of the procreating.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Hands up all those who think this monkey worshipper has even seen a gene...

What, nobody?

Whereas here's the world, just like the Bible says it is. Hands up all the people who can see the world and read the Bible to cross reference.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

No one says to themselves "I want to get married to the ugliest, fattest, most idiotic person I can find." Those are undesirable traits among our species, and so people who are fat and ugly and stupid usually aren't the ones doing the majority of the procreating.

What an offensive person! How do you explain the Germans?

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Hands up all those who think this monkey worshipper has even seen a gene...

What, nobody?

Whereas here's the world, just like the Bible says it is. Hands uup all the people who can see the world and read the Bible to cross reference.

Have you ever seen God? Has he ever walked up to you and said "hey Papist, let's go for a walk?"

The difference? I have actually seen my own DNA.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Have you ever seen God? Has he ever walked up to you and said "hey Papist, let's go for a walk?"

The difference? I have actually seen my own DNA.

Have you really? And how did you do that?

Oh and nobody can see God, silly. It says so in the Bible.

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Have you really? And how did you do that?

While attending the University of Utah as a research assistant at the Hunstman Cancer Institute, I had access to two scanning electron microscopes as well as some of the most advanced equipment that is available right now in cancer research. I've been working as an RN with an Oncologist for seven years now after leaving school.

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

What I think is interesting is not a single person attempted to refute anything I had to say on page 5. It must be hard to argue against logical thought processes when all you have is fairytales.

Okay, let’s try with your “logical thought process”.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I've never even once seen water going back up into the sky.

...So, have you ever been boiling water and noticed that water droplets start hanging from your range top or your microwave (whatever is above your stove)? Have you ever been in the shower and got out and your window is all fogged up and when you wipe it off, it makes your towel wet? ...

Do you really want to tell us that droplets of water on a microwave and a fogged up window are proofs that “water going back up into the sky” (as Victroy doubts). Following logical thought process you might come to an exactly different conclusion: that water doesn’t go very far away.

...There are burdens of proof in science. There is none in religion. I think it's hilarious how you can sit there and mock me when you have zero physical proof of the existence of God. Zero. Show me one thing that proves that God exists. Proof requires evidence, and evidence requires a scientific method.

Substantially, you’re right; the burden of proofs is on the side of science... and you. But I’m not sure if you understand what the Burden of Proof (“onus probandi”) really means? It means that “the necessity of proof always lies with the person who makes claims.” You came here and claimed that that God doesn’t exist; you have to prove His nonexistence. Will you try with the Big Bang? Go on.

If you can follow it and prove to me one part of the Bible is true, I'll donate the money.

Will you keep the promise or you'll backpaddle when I'll prove you that at least one part of the Bible is true? How much are you ready to donate to the LBC forum?

YiC, DUH

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Have you really? And how did you do that?

Oh and nobody can see God, silly. It says so in the Bible.

Ok, let's say for a minute that you're in my shoes. Someone comes up to you and says "hey, there's this invisible guy in the sky who grants wishes if you're good and when you die he'll take your dead body into his house in the clouds where you'll be joined with all the other people who have been good and believed in him." Then the guy says to you, "oh, and he's got all the power in the world, and all the knowledge of everything that's ever happened and going to happen, but he needs you to donate money every week to the leader of our group." Then he says "make sure you involve your whole family because you want them to go to his house in the clouds as well, but make sure that they also bring money to donate as well." Then the man says "but to be truly a part of our group, you have to get your head dunked under water, and you have to eat bread and wine which is symbolic of eating the flesh of his son and drinking his blood."

Doesn't it seem strange that someone with omnipotence would require earthly things like money, require you to participate in metaphorical cannibalism, and then keep spreading the lie to everyone you meet because you feel some sick sense of happiness by doing all this?

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Okay, let’s try with your “logical thought process”.


Do you really want to tell us that droplets of water on a microwave and a fogged up window are proofs that “water going back up into the sky” (as Victroy doubts). Following logical thought process you might come to an exactly different conclusion: that water doesn’t go very far away.


Substantially, you’re right; the burden of proofs is on the side of science... and you. But I’m not sure if you understand what the Burden of Proof (“onus probandi”) really means? It means that “the necessity of proof always lies with the person who makes claims.” You came here and claimed that that God doesn’t exist; you have to prove His nonexistence. Will you try with the Big Bang? Go on.


Will you keep the promise or you'll backpaddle when I'll prove you that at least one part of the Bible is true? How much are you ready to donate to the LBC forum?

YiC, DUH

The most widely accepted, scientifically substantiated theory is the theory of evolution. The evidence that is provided through decades of studies have all linked back to a common ancestor as well as a genetic relation to the primates that inhabit the earth today. You have yet to offer any scientific evidence to prove that God exists. You also have yet to offer any evidence that anything that claims to have occurred in the Bible is true. I already said, I'd donate 20 dollars to the forum if you could prove to me that something out of the Bible is true. With evidence.

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Ok, let's say for a minute that you're in my shoes. Someone comes up to you and says "hey, there's this invisible guy in the sky..."

Ok, let's say for a minute that I'm in your shoes. Someone comes up to me and says "hey, the force of gravity doesn't exist since since we actually cannot see it." Should I just believe him or tell him that the burden of proof is on his side?

YiC, DUH

[mandrake137]

Re: Water Proves Atheism is False!

Ok, let's say for a minute that I'm in your shoes. Someone comes up to me and says "hey, the force of gravity doesn't exist since since we actually cannot see it." Should I just believe him or tell him that the burden of proof is on his side?

YiC, DUH

But gravity doesn't have people running around recruiting new members by the day, asking for money, and explained by a three thousand year old text book. You don't sing to gravity, and gravity doesn't make promises of a place in the sky for all do-gooders to live in.

Not to mention that gravity is measurable, and can be demonstrated very easily by a 5th grader in an elementary science fair. Let's see that happen with God.