[James Hutchins]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

The nazi and Germans believed that they
would win in World War II
We all know how that turn out to be

So you are telling me that the nazis and Germans are also wiccas? Do they know?

[{Anna}]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Correct.

It is not true because we believe it. It is true because it matches reality.

YIC

But it doesn't
There's a lot of prof that Great flood never happened

Of course just because Dr. Niles believes does not make it so. Because every sane person believes, certainly adds a extremely high level of credibility. Then you add to that the massive quantity of people who have been touched by Jesus and spoken with God, well, that pretty much cements it up.
The only proof you have is a colorized Glenda.

The nazi and Germans believed that they
would win in World War II
We all know how that turn out to be

[Tool of satan]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

To be honest you should be doing this yourself. But I hope you can see that Jesus bought you here for a reason: maybe you should listen to Him.

But I digress.

Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Romans 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
1st Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1st Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
1st Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
(Is it just me, or does the last line say we only follow the laws in order to shut up the "ignorant and foolish"?)

The bottom line is that if you beleive God created everything that includes (by definition) our leaders. If one is a Christian one believes God cannot make mistakes.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

YIC

I see. All power agrees with God. But clearly, it does not. For example, I noticed you all hate President Obama, the person in power in America, and attempt to discredit him. I mention this because there seems to be nothing about an exception for evil leaders, which would not make much sense anyway. Would this not be considered "resisting the power"?

Also, as many of you have said, the Bible tells us to follow all of it at all times.
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4

However, when following the law telling you not to resist authority, you are technically disobeying the other laws in the Bible that go against authority. How exactly does this work out? Do we just ignore the other laws when the law to follow secular authority is being applied? And if so, would this not contradict the statement that the Bible tells us to follow all of its laws at all times?

PS: Not sure about the last line, it's kind of a far leap from following the law to silencing the ignorant.

[James Hutchins]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

No I meant
because you believe it doesn't make it true

Of course just because Dr. Niles believes does not make it so. Because every sane person believes, certainly adds a extremely high level of credibility. Then you add to that the massive quantity of people who have been touched by Jesus and spoken with God, well, that pretty much cements it up.
The only proof you have is a colorized Glenda.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

No I meant
because you believe it doesn't make it true

Correct.

It is not true because we believe it. It is true because it matches reality.

YIC

[{Anna}]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

I don't get it. The Bible tells us God is real and it's thousands of years old.

Wicca was invented in the 1970s.

How can that apply to Christianity?

YIC

No I meant
because you believe it doesn't make it true

[James Hutchins]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Alright. So you have decided that the verse "1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme" takes precedence over other laws in the Bible.

Could you please quote the verses that states that you can decide this? Or verse stating specifically that you should follow this law in the Bible before the other laws in the Bible?

Read your Bible friend.
Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Romans 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1st Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1st Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
1st Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Alright. So you have decided that the verse "1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme" takes precedence over other laws in the Bible.

Could you please quote the verses that states that you can decide this? Or verse stating specifically that you should follow this law in the Bible before the other laws in the Bible?

To be honest you should be doing this yourself. But I hope you can see that Jesus bought you here for a reason: maybe you should listen to Him.

But I digress.

Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Romans 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
1st Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1st Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
1st Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
(Is it just me, or does the last line say we only follow the laws in order to shut up the "ignorant and foolish"?)

The bottom line is that if you beleive God created everything that includes (by definition) our leaders. If one is a Christian one believes God cannot make mistakes.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

YIC

[Tool of satan]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

A good Christian does not break the secular law.

I can't think of any other way of stating it.

YIC

Alright. So you have decided that the verse "1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme" takes precedence over other laws in the Bible.

Could you please quote the verses that states that you can decide this? Or verse stating specifically that you should follow this law in the Bible before the other laws in the Bible?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Probably not. However, there are laws already in effect that contradict the Bible, for example, the law that prohibits people from killing homosexuals.

This contradicts the Bible's teachings to kill homosexuals, but the Bible also tells us that we must follow secular law.

So, how do we decide which law takes precedence over the other when the Bible tells us to follow all its laws?

A good Christian does not break the secular law.

I can't think of any other way of stating it.

YIC

[Tool of satan]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

That law would never be passed.

I don't see what point you are trying to make?

YIC

Probably not. However, there are laws already in effect that contradict the Bible, for example, the law that prohibits people from killing homosexuals.

This contradicts the Bible's teachings to kill homosexuals, but the Bible also tells us that we must follow secular law.

So, how do we decide which law takes precedence over the other when the Bible tells us to follow all its laws?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

But that could be applied to you too

I don't get it. The Bible tells us God is real and it's thousands of years old.

Wicca was invented in the 1970s.

How can that apply to Christianity?

YIC

[{Anna}]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Then you should be worried, because wicca's not true. As you said, just because you believe it doesn't make it true.

But that could be applied to you too

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Oh, I see. However, who makes the choice that this law(1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme takes precedence over any other law in the Bible?

For example, a law comes out stating that all people must believe in evolution. Would you then start believing in evolution to follow secular law or would you still believe in creationism?

This can apply to any scenario where secular law contradicts a law in the Bible.

That law would never be passed.

I don't see what point you are trying to make?

YIC

[Tool of satan]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

If the secular law precludes killing homers then we should not kill them.

What bit does not make sense to you?

YIC

Oh, I see. However, who makes the choice that this law(1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme takes precedence over any other law in the Bible?

For example, a law comes out stating that all people must believe in evolution. Would you then start believing in evolution to follow secular law or would you still believe in creationism?

This can apply to any scenario where secular law contradicts a law in the Bible.