[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

Try telling that to pretty much every serious mathematician on the face of the earth.

Why bother. They are too busy giving each other AIDS with anal sex. And if they are serious they would study the Holy Bible instead of fuzzy mathematics...

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

We are all being taught that Pi is a fixed number, and that it doesn't change over time. It is roughly 3.14159265 and that's it.

It is however known that Pi was lower in the distant past, when earth was significantly younger than it is today.

And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
1 Kings 7:23

Pi = 30/10 = 3.

I remember that the Books of Kings takes place approx 480 years after Exodus, or 1120 BCE if we accept the Minoan eruption as the historical proof for Exodus.

If Pi equals 3.14159265 today and 3.0 3132 years ago, the mean annual increment is roughly 4,52 * 10^-5.

I am now having my wife and kids doing daily calculations of Pi with a measuring tape, in order to track sudden rapid increments. It is well known that Jesus have the power to change mathematics on the fly, and a sudden change in the value of Pi might mean a high probability of second coming in the near-future.

This sounds like a load of hooey, even by Lutheran standards. I suggest that you spend a little more time in the Word and a little less time with this sort of nonsense.

As has been pointed out before, PI has been proved to be 3.0 exactly, several times. Indeed I have a conclusive proof if you do a little bit of searching. It is a simple process indeed, if you have the mathematical acumen for it.

But the bigger issue here is that you are getting caught up with trying to match up your perception of reality with what the Bible says, and let me tell you: this is a losing battle. Reality is such a notional concept that it can be a difficult paradigm for a person to process, especially in the multicultural day and age that we live in. As Christians, the Bible is our Rock, it is our Truth. We don't have to figure out if something is "right" or "wrong", taking into account extraneous circumstances and difficult questions: the Bible tells us, with no uncertainty.

For instance, we True Christians know that gay marriage is wrong. We don't have to take things like "love", "choice" and "personal rights" into account, because the Bible says it is icky and abominable. Done.

One of the things I've learned over the years is to turn off that "rational" part of your brain: it will lead you down a path of darkness and doubt. As I've said around here many times: "let go and let God". Let go of your doubt, let your brain go numb. And in that numbness, Jesus will guide you

[Moral_Nihilist]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

In which verse/s does the Bible state the value of Pi is equal to 3?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

In which verse/s does the Bible state the value of Pi is equal to 3?

If you bothered to read the original post, you'd know.

And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
1 Kings 7:23

Pi = 30/10 = 3.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

Try telling that to pretty much every serious mathematician on the face of the earth.

No point. Some people are so solidly stuck in their own box they can't look around, much less try and take a step out of it. Some people are too emotionally wrapped up in their worldview to appreciate the Truth when it is presented to them. It's no use praying for them. God has abandoned them with a Just and Holy abandonment.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:24-25

They have made their choice.

[Whip of Japheth]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

Am I smelling homo-pythagorean adoration?

This stuff is funny. Secular science can't say how much is pi. It seems to be ""unmentionable"" . Coincidence with the joos? I don't think so.

Learn that, educational scum: Lord as Creator determines and, of course, knows the position and the momentum of all. There is not any uncertainty principle here. And He does not approves your jew&zombi felines. The box can be closed but Lord is with Schrödinger's cat controlling the switch .

[Nobar King]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

Pi is definitely changing over time.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

I am concerned that all of the anal sex being practiced today may have given Satan enough power to distort mathematics through his vile sorceries. This would be a great victory for him indeed, if Pi actually equalled 3.14... because it would prove God a liar. God isn't going to let Satan win, is He?

[speedyburp]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

What about the possibility that this "wrong" value of pi was due to measuring the circumference from the inside of the bowl, or from below the rim (where it would be smaller)? Many Christians (or at least people who claim to be Christian) attempt to justify it in ways like this.

I am an Atheist (but I am not ignorant or trying to ignore and deny everything you say), so I don't fully understand your beliefs, but many of you seem to assume things about us that have no basis in fact - for example we don't deny god just to get away with sin, and we generally try to think about other options and think about things like this. We aren't all the same, just like not all Christians are the same. There are ignorant people on both sides who will never question their beliefs or think about why they believe them, but there are also people who genuinely want to learn the truth on both sides.

I have a question though; if you just look at a circle and measure the circumference and diameter you can see that pi is not 3, so how do you explain this? I'm not trying to mock you, I'm just genuinely interested about how you explain this.

[speedyburp]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

I am atheist, and don't want anal sex. In fact I'm not sexually interested in anyone. Please don't jump to conclusions about us all being evil sinners in every single way, we are Atheist because the evidence that we see seems to show that there is no god.

Maybe all the evidence is lies, maybe we are illogical, but we certainly genuinely don't believe in God, and don't lie when we say this. We are not just looking for an excuse to sin, we really believe that there is no god.

To us the arguments like the teleological and cosmological just seem to show that there must be a creator, or an origin, or source of creation (such as the big bang) and not necessarily a god. We can explain things like people experiencing going to heaven when people are saved from dying as people simply dreaming, and things like people hearing god as their imagination, or lies.

I want to know the truth, so what do you think is wrong with my arguments? What are the logical mistakes I am making?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

Dear friend:

Evidence has been wrong before. God's Word cannot be. Therefore, whenever evidence contradicts the Bible, you should have faith in the latter.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

I am atheist, and don't want anal sex. In fact I'm not sexually interested in anyone. Please don't jump to conclusions about us all being evil sinners in every single way, we are Atheist because the evidence that we see seems to show that there is no god.

I want to know the truth, so what do you think is wrong with my arguments? What are the logical mistakes I am making?

First, you insist on improperly capitalizing "atheist". It is not a proper noun, and should only be capitalized if it is the first word of a sentence or if it is in a title.

But don't ask me, ask one of your fellow uppity atheists:

http://atheism.about.com/od/definitionofatheism/a/CapitalizingAtheism.htm

One of the earliest signs that a person doesn't really understand what atheism is comes when they spell "atheism" or "atheist" with a capital A in the middle of a sentence. In English, this is only grammatical with proper nouns and thus this signals that the person imagines atheism to a be a proper noun — in other words, some sort of ideology or religion like Christianity or Objectivism. When you see someone inappropriately capitalizing atheism, beware.

...

This matters because it matters if a person falsely believes atheism is an ideology rather than simply the absence of belief in gods. This not only means that they don't even comprehend the basic definition of atheism, but are in fact working from a definition which will cause them to draw all sorts of incorrect conclusions about atheists. Most of the myths about atheism do, in fact, stem from thinking that atheism is a belief system.

...

Perhaps it's sufficient to point out that capitalization in English has nothing whatsoever to do with "respect" and everything to do with separating out proper nouns. If a person really does believe that capitalization is done out of "respect," then they don't even comprehend basic English grammar and you should beware of them even more than if they merely didn’t understand atheism.

Seems Austin Cline (if that's his real name ) thinks you're an idiot.

He may be right!

He also thinks you're dangerous, as you are trying to tell us there is some coherent atheist belief system:

To us the arguments like the teleological and cosmological just seem to show that there must be a creator, or an origin, or source of creation (such as the big bang) and not necessarily a god. We can explain things like people experiencing going to heaven when people are saved from dying as people simply dreaming, and things like people hearing god as their imagination, or lies.

So, you say that all atheists believe in a First Cause, yet somehow simultaneously think that God is silly.

[Deaner]

Re: Is Pi changing over time?

In which verse/s does the Bible state the value of Pi is equal to 3?

If you bothered to read the original post, you'd know.

I am atheist, and don't want anal sex. In fact I'm not sexually interested in anyone. Please don't jump to conclusions about us all being evil sinners in every single way, we are Atheist because the evidence that we see seems to show that there is no god.

Maybe all the evidence is lies, maybe we are illogical, but we certainly genuinely don't believe in God, and don't lie when we say this. We are not just looking for an excuse to sin, we really believe that there is no god.

To us the arguments like the teleological and cosmological just seem to show that there must be a creator, or an origin, or source of creation (such as the big bang) and not necessarily a god. We can explain things like people experiencing going to heaven when people are saved from dying as people simply dreaming, and things like people hearing god as their imagination, or lies.

I want to know the truth, so what do you think is wrong with my arguments? What are the logical mistakes I am making?

Brother SpeedyBurp;

You claim you are an atheist buy you don't want anal sex.

In your first sentence you have proven yourself to be a liar. If Jesus came up to you and said I believe in everything that is good in the world and then raped you anally up against a wall would you still believe him?

No, of course you wouldn't. But the "eyes wide open" feeling you would feel as He entered you would change your mind forever.

Brother SpeedyCum; you have been led down the garden path. How can you say that when the first words in the Bible say "In the begininning, God created everything". Now how could you and I be sitting here talking if God did not create everything? Do you have a book that says God didn't create everything?

My brother; Mr. SpeedySpooge, please listen. We are only here to help and set you on the path to Glory.

I love you, the members love you... and we even love that skinny tatooed girlfriend you have. She will definitely need some one on one counselling with the Pastors while you clean up swine manure in the stables to teach you discipline and patience.

Good luck my Brother. What was your girlfriends name again?

YIC

Deaner