I seek your view Landover

[DarknessSapphire]

Frankly, I am currently living in the 'Bible Belt,' in Mississippi, where there is an astronomical number of proclaiming Christians and churches, a large denomination is the Baptist church, however, I'm not quite familiar with the Baptist idealogy..

I understand you have a poor taste for Catholocism, but I don't quite understand why.

I also understand you don't care for, 'Goths,' either.

Please, keep in mind, I'm not looking for you to 'Prove me wrong,' I just want the opinions and idealogies of the Baptist faith, as I find most of them where I live are Elitist, and only believe that Baptists are going to Heaven. Now, I'll give you some quick background information..

1. I am a practicing Catholic, converted from Non-denominational protestant church. I'm not looking for you to flame or bash the Roman Catholic Church either.
2. I am Spanish (as in Spain.)

3. I would be labled, 'Gothic,' were I to appear in a Baptist church. I wear black, 'Alternative,' fashions, No make up or anything, mind you, I am a Soldier.. But band shirts and such, yes. No tight pants either, ha..

4. I am inquiring to answer a personal question, 'If we're all Christians, then why are we so divided?"


Now, onto the questions...

1. What is the deal with the 'No dancing,' thing I hear about? Frankly it's not only tradition, but cultural to dance for a Spaniard! We're famous for it, infact.

2. Why is the Catholic church a 'Cult?' The Roman church was founded by Peter, and the Catholic Church is a time-tested entity that has survived for over a millenia. Also, the Bible was formulated by Catholic scholars, as far as the order of books, and what was included/excluded from the Bible.

3. The Goths were a group of Germanic tribesmen whom crossed Europe during the late Roman Empire, settling in Spain and western France, 'Gothic,' is a style of Architecture and imagery, why is it so evil to you all? I understand the 'darker,' imagery and a lot of the pagan things associated with it, but I've no involvement in such things. I find the black to be more solemn, conservative, and classy. I don't listen to, 'devil,' music, unless you consider all Metal/hardcore devil music.

4. Catholocism is also a tradition for Spaniards, am I wrong for being traditional? Your ancestors have probably been here a long while, and have probably been protestant the whole time. Mine have been in Spain and Puerto Rico up until recently =P

5. Why can't we, as CHRISTIANS get along? There are a huge number of denominations just on the protestant side, then you have Orthodox, Catholics, Anglicans, etc., etc., but that kind of mentality that 'Only my denomination is right,' or whatever is what is weakening Christianity!

6. Do you support Crusade against Islam? One of my main reasons for joining the Army was to fight the physical battle in the name of Christendom. The Roman Catholic Church is famous for Crusades against the infidel, but how is it viewed from you all's perspective?


Anyway, I'd appreciate some INTELLIGENT discussion, and the views and opinions of you all's faith. Again, please don't bash me for my beliefs, I am an American too.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: I seek your view Landover

Now, onto the questions...

1. What is the deal with the 'No dancing,' thing I hear about? Frankly it's not only tradition, but cultural to dance for a Spaniard! We're famous for it, infact.

There's nothing wrong with dancing, as long as it is not sexually suggestive or focused on anything other than worship of God. You may have us confused with the Southern Baptists.

2. Why is the Catholic church a 'Cult?' The Roman church was founded by Peter, and the Catholic Church is a time-tested entity that has survived for over a millenia. Also, the Bible was formulated by Catholic scholars, as far as the order of books, and what was included/excluded from the Bible.

The Catholic Cult has been discussed at great length on this forum. I suggest you read THIS THREAD, or at the least the first post by Pastor Ezekiel, which demonstrates why Catholics are not Christians.

Goths were a group of Germanic tribesmen whom crossed Europe during the late Roman Empire, settling in Spain and western France, 'Gothic,' is a style of Architecture and imagery, why is it so evil to you all?

Are you trying to be funny? We're not talking about Gothic architecture OR "Goths", but the modern "goth" deathstyle cult. It focuses on death, Satan, and morbidity, instead of the joyous prospect of serving the Lord in Heaven for all eternity, praising Him without ceasing, lest we be cast into eternal torture in His Hell.

I understand the 'darker,' imagery and a lot of the pagan things associated with it, but I've no involvement in such things. I find the black to be more solemn, conservative, and classy. I don't listen to, 'devil,' music, unless you consider all Metal/hardcore devil music.

Well, there you go.

4. Catholicism is also a tradition for Spaniards, am I wrong for being traditional?

In a word, yes. You put the traditions of men before the commands of God. See the thread noted above for details.

Mark 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Your ancestors have probably been here a long while, and have probably been protestant the whole time. Mine have been in Spain and Puerto Rico up until recently =P

Congratulations on finally coming to a Christian church where you can escape your family's long history of spitting in the face of the One True Three-Faced God!

5. Why can't we, as CHRISTIANS get along?

Because you're a Mary-worshipping papist cult member, not a Christian. I thought you didn't want to talk about Catholicism?

There are a huge number of denominations just on the protestant side, then you have Orthodox, Catholics, Anglicans, etc., etc., but that kind of mentality that 'Only my denomination is right,' or whatever is what is weakening Christianity!

Only those who follow the ENTIRE Bible are right. Nearly all denominations reject parts of the Bible in favor of their own ideas. Therefore, they are not True Christians™.

6. Do you support Crusade against Islam? One of my main reasons for joining the Army was to fight the physical battle in the name of Christendom. The Roman Catholic Church is famous for Crusades against the infidel, but how is it viewed from you all's perspective?

God's pretty clear on how we should treat nonbelievers.

Deuteronomy 13: 1-10

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

As far as the Catholic Crusades? Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a day, friend.

Anyway, I'd appreciate some INTELLIGENT discussion, and the views and opinions of you all's faith. Again, please don't bash me for my beliefs, I am an American too.

Nobody here will bash you for your beliefs; however, we cannot pretend that it's fine and dandy for you to pray to Mary and a pile of pagan "saints" and ignore Jesus. We cannot tell you it's "groovy" for you to munch on papist death-cookies and play cannibal.

Would you like to become a Christian American, or would you prefer to remain a Christ-mocking, Mary-worshipping papist cult member?

[DarknessSapphire]

Re: I seek your view Landover

-Thanks for a swift response. Mr. Rodimer,
-In regards to the dancing, I fear the Tango, Marenge and Salsa have nothing to do with Christianity..
-Again, I am unfamiliar with most protestant teachings and idealogies, I wasn't aware there was difference in Baptist and Southern Baptist..
-I rather enjoy my 'Papist death-cookies,' thank you.
- But I don't understand why Christians don't unite against things much more important than denominational boundaries... We have much bigger problems here, we should be helping and supporting each other to further to cause of CHRIST, not ANY Church before God...

[Nobar King]

Re: I seek your view Landover

I wear black, 'Alternative,' fashions, No make up or anything, mind you, I am a Soldier.. But band shirts and such, yes. No tight pants either, ha..

Just what we need in our military: closet queer goth lesbians. Hopefully when the Arabs attack again you won't be guarding MY home. Does your platoon know about you?!?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: I seek your view Landover

-Thanks for a swift response. Rev. Rodimer,
-In regards to the dancing, I fear the Tango, Marenge and Salsa have nothing to do with Christianity..

Then they are sinful and sensual in nature.

-Again, I am unfamiliar with most protestant teachings and idealogies, I wasn't aware there was difference in Baptist and Southern Baptist..

Independent Fundamentalist Baptists follow the entire Bible, and that is all. Southern Baptists come close, but add their own traditions. For example, they claim that drinking alcohol is forbidden . . . even though Jesus Himself, in one of His more showy miracles, transformed water into wine.

-I rather enjoy my 'Papist death-cookies,' thank you.

See the thread quoted above for more info about why you're on the path to Hell.

- But I don't understand why Christians don't unite against things much more important than denominational boundaries... We have much bigger problems here, we should be helping and supporting each other to further to cause of CHRIST, not ANY Church before God...

Catholics and most so-called "christians" are NOT furthering Christ. They are promoting their own ideas instead of the Bible. As a result, they are steering hundreds of millions of people straight into eternal Hellfire, as the Bible clearly states.

How can True Christians™ support those who deny the truth of God's Word?

[DarknessSapphire]

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Sir, I am a PROUD Military Police soldier, I've served my time and earned my patch, and am working on a Commission to 2nd Lieutenant. Not too shabby for a Lesbian goth man.

[DarknessSapphire]

Re: I seek your view Landover

It looks to me like you all are, as well, elitist.
You're the only ones going to heaven, and every neighbor of your who goes to the local Methodist church is burning in eternal hellfire eh?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: I seek your view Landover

It looks to me like you all are, as well, elitist.
You're the only ones going to heaven, and every neighbor of your who goes to the local Methodist church is burning in eternal hellfire eh?

Anyone who follows the entire Bible is going to Heaven, according to God. Anyone who doesn't, is not.

It's not a matter of church membership, but rather a matter of following God's Laws. All of them, not just the bits we like.

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Methodists say sodomites will go to Heaven, for example. They deny God's Word, in which He calls them abominations. Since they take pleasure in sodomites, the Methodists will spend eternity in the lake of fire with their beloved deviants.

[Deaner]

Re: I seek your view Landover

It looks to me like you all are, as well, elitist.

You're the one who's being elitist. We tell you where you're wrong and you get all snippety about it. Sounds like you have a large ego investment in your thinking.

I've seen catholics talking to statues and holding their hands. They're plaster you idiot. How can we take you seriously?

[Ebenezer Wright]

Re: I seek your view Landover

Just what we need in our military: closet queer goth lesbians. Hopefully when the Arabs attack again you won't be guarding MY home. Does your platoon know about you?!?

Sadly, our military enforces the don't ask don't tell rule. Which allows these perverted homosexuals to serve in our ARMED forces.

[DarknessSapphire]

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Deaner, my parents go to Protestant church, I love them, and I know they're going to heaven. I don't believe you have to be a Catholic to go to heaven. I believe if you have a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, repented your sins, and live a life glorifying God, you can go to heaven.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: I seek your view Landover

Deaner, my parents go to Protestant church, I love them, and I know they're going to heaven. I don't believe you have to be a Catholic to go to heaven. I believe if you have a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, repented your sins, and live a life glorifying God, you can go to heaven.

. . . and follow ALL of the Bible. You're missing that part, DS.

Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

[Deaner]

Re: I seek your view Landover

Deaner, my parents go to Protestant church, I love them, and I know they're going to heaven. I don't believe you have to be a Catholic to go to heaven. I believe if you have a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, repented your sins, and live a life glorifying God, you can go to heaven.

You're "thinking" may land you a one-way ticket to hell; but I do agree with you on eradicating non-believers. Once the sewers are filled with their blood and body parts and they no longer walk on the face of this earth; then Christ's reign of peace and contentment will finally come into play. Please make sure you're on the right side come judgement day.

[Mister Brasil]

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Why can't we, as CHRISTIANS get along? There are a huge number of denominations just on the protestant side, then you have Orthodox, Catholics, Anglicans, etc., etc., but that kind of mentality that 'Only my denomination is right,' or whatever is what is weakening Christianity!

Exactly! I was not baptized in Paul's name; you weren't baptized in Peter's (were you?)

For too long, people who claim to love Christ have been bickering about what He wants. Widespread literacy has now made it possible for each of us to know what He wants.

Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Do not add to His words,
or He will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

He wants us to take His law as the whole of our own. So what's with certain divisive sects wasting time and God's patience with their nonsense about purgatory?

[Bob4God]

Re: I seek your view Landover

Personally, I can't see why you'd want to associate with those Pope-loving altar boy molesting pervert priests in skirts.