[Red Army]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

I do not own any Chinese products.

China however has only prospered as it sloughed off communist precepts about ownership of capital and relationships between the means of production and those who work in it.

So if a communist country has some success is because it is not communist, but if they have not success is because they are.


Something is wrong with that line of thinking.

[Red Army]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

This is very interesting. This line of thinking is eerily similar to things which many Christians say about Christianity - and I mean Christians in a broad sense of the word, not True Christians™ as defined by this lovely community.

People ascribing to both ideologies deny contradictions within their respective doctrines, negate the existence of cruelty inscribed in the doctrines themselves, and dismiss all cruelties committed in the names of their doctrines as being committed by people who weren't really a part of these doctrines.

...Yet, when you examine histories of both these doctrines using the latter criterion, it seems that no group of people that ever existed can truly deserve the name of Christians or communists...

The communist doctrine is still waiting for a brave group similar to the Landover Baptist Church, a group which would embrace all of the cruelties inscribed in their sacred doctrine...

...Yes, Mr. Army, it seems that I've just called you a fluffy-bunny communist!

But I'm embracing the killings, just not all of them, señorita Dolores.


This is not a suitable place to discuss why Kronstadt is a good masacre, while Gulags were wrong.


The general rule ( and Christians have to agree with this) it that depends on who calls for the killing, and why.

[Roland]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

And then again, confusion arises. Stalinism is not communism.
By the way, killing people that does not agree with you is a part of the human being. Attaching it only to communism is biased. You can produce all the examples you want to prove your theory and still will be confirmation bias.

Hello red army,

Stalin was a communist, arguing he was not makes you look a bit silly. Killing people that do not agree with you is a part of the human being you say, I tend to disagree. I think it takes a special kind of idiot to think that it is permissible or that it is indoctrination that makes people believe it is ok to kill someone, not for self defence but just because you feel like doing so, or have been told to do so.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

Enjoy your made in China products, made with more efficiency that those made in any capitalist country.
And also, think how all the capitalist world depends on China to survive.
I'm not going to defend their political regime but they prove the possibilities of a communist-like economy.

I do not own any Chinese products.

China however has only prospered as it sloughed off communist precepts about ownership of capital and relationships between the means of production and those who work in it.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

And then again, confusion arises. Stalinism is not communism.
By the way, killing people that does not agree with you is a part of the human being. Attaching it only to communism is biased. You can produce all the examples you want to prove your theory and still will be confirmation bias.

This is very interesting. This line of thinking is eerily similar to things which many Christians say about Christianity - and I mean Christians in a broad sense of the word, not True Christians™ as defined by this lovely community.

People ascribing to both ideologies deny contradictions within their respective doctrines, negate the existence of cruelty inscribed in the doctrines themselves, and dismiss all cruelties committed in the names of their doctrines as being committed by people who weren't really a part of these doctrines.

...Yet, when you examine histories of both these doctrines using the latter criterion, it seems that no group of people that ever existed can truly deserve the name of Christians or communists...

The communist doctrine is still waiting for a brave group similar to the Landover Baptist Church, a group which would embrace all of the cruelties inscribed in their sacred doctrine...

...Yes, Mr. Army, it seems that I've just called you a fluffy-bunny communist!

[Red Army]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

Well I never even reached the slogan stage. One look at a communist country is enough. I don't care why it's a basket case, I just don't want any thanks.

Much like India. People go there and come back all hyped up on enlightenment and gurus floating on an invisible cloud, never quite touching the ground. If India held the secrets of enlightenment they would have an enlightened society. They do not. End of story.

So I don't need to read anything about Hinduism to know I'm not interested and the same goes for communism. As you will see I never made it to the "well I'll just check out some of their slogans" stage. It was a crock from the outset.

Enjoy your made in China products, made with more efficiency that those made in any capitalist country.
And also, think how all the capitalist world depends on China to survive.
I'm not going to defend their political regime but they prove the possibilities of a communist-like economy.

[Red Army]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

That is a fair argument. Communism has been mostly about detaining people who are not idiots (like Soltsjenitzin), starving people to death in the Holodomor or outright killing them if they oppose you and you can´t afford to detain them in your ¨re-education centres¨. No equality for all people to be found there for sure.

And then again, confusion arises. Stalinism is not communism.
By the way, killing people that does not agree with you is a part of the human being. Attaching it only to communism is biased. You can produce all the examples you want to prove your theory and still will be confirmation bias.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

No, you cannot, because you have never past the slogan phase.

Well I never even reached the slogan stage. One look at a communist country is enough. I don't care why it's a basket case, I just don't want any thanks.

Much like India. People go there and come back all hyped up on enlightenment and gurus floating on an invisible cloud, never quite touching the ground. If India held the secrets of enlightenment they would have an enlightened society. They do not. End of story.

So I don't need to read anything about Hinduism to know I'm not interested and the same goes for communism. As you will see I never made it to the "well I'll just check out some of their slogans" stage. It was a crock from the outset.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

Egalitarianism is something that some weird Christians think is possible.

Hello, Mr. Army! If I may, I'd add supporters of utopias in general to the list of the overly-glass-full-ish believers in egalitarianism.



The fact is that even in societies popularly regarded as egalitarian, there are inequalities based on gender, age, and experience. For example, there is no human society in which children would have the same amount of power - in terms of economics, politics, overall decision-making - than adults. There are some societies where a few children seem to have power over adults, for example the Nepali child-goddesses, such as the photo on the right, but even in these rare cases influential adults seem to be the ones pulling the strings.






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[Roland]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

[...]
Egalitarianism is not communism, for a start.
[...]

That is a fair argument. Communism has been mostly about detaining people who are not idiots (like Soltsjenitzin), starving people to death in the Holodomor or outright killing them if they oppose you and you can´t afford to detain them in your ¨re-education centres¨. No equality for all people to be found there for sure.

[Red Army]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

I'm surprised you used a capitalist source. The context of the piece was in games where athletes contribute their best and keep the proceeds from advertising to live an imperialist pig dog swine lifestyle. Under socialism after all the hard work put in the proceeds go to each according to his need. So few capable athletes come forward under those circumstances that you need to inject what you do have with horse pills and chicken egg laying pellets or perform sex changes on them or whatever latest stunt your chemists have cooked up.

I could never be a communist.

No, you cannot, because you have never past the slogan phase.


You remind me of those silly pseudo Christians that have never read the whole Bible.


Egalitarianism is not communism, for a start.


Egalitarianism is something that some weird Christians think is possible.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

Nope, RED is the color of the winners!


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...redsports.html

I'm surprised you used a capitalist source. The context of the piece was in games where athletes contribute their best and keep the proceeds from advertising to live an imperialist pig dog swine lifestyle. Under socialism after all the hard work put in the proceeds go to each according to his need. So few capable athletes come forward under those circumstances that you need to inject what you do have with horse pills and chicken egg laying pellets or perform sex changes on them or whatever latest stunt your chemists have cooked up.

I could never be a communist.

[Marshal Kim Jong-un]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

Nope, RED is the color of the winners!

Hell yes!


The people's flag is deepest red
It shrouded oft our martyred dead
And ere their limbs gre

[WRONG LYRICS AND REFERENCE TO WRONG FLAG REMOVED BY MODERATOR, REPLACED WITH APPROPRIATE IMAGE]

[Marshal Kim Jong-un]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

White light already contains all of the colors. Therefore, of course white color is supreme!

But I am supreme leader and I am yellow not white.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: How to make an atheist cry

Um This story is incredibly unlikely that it happened but i do love some good fiction!

I don't think it's unlikely at all. When you're open to miracles in your life you'll find them. When you're closed to the possibilities, you'll never see one, no matter how many surround you.