[sosueme]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

I fail to see how such a display of hatred toward an artist is showing the love of Christ.

Freedom of speech, guys. Sorry. It's that plain and simple. You may not like it, but it's how the country works. I highly doubt someone as admirable as Frank Iero (who has spoken out against violence) wants kids to go out and kill each other. Music is expressive. That includes positively and negatively. I would even say that God encourages expression of anger. He let Job speak.

Life isn't all butterflies and rainbows. The song appears to be nothing more than a sophomoric rant of anger. Regardless of content, it's a song. In regards to content, songs don't kill kids; kids kill kids.

Wouldn't you rather the kids express their frustration in a song than actually go out and murder fellow students due to lack of outlet? Emotional instability due to containment can be a huge factor in these sorts of situations.

Again, I stress that nothing of what you say in any way represents the teachings of Christ. You are hateful, sinful people, just as much as the next person. Why spread evil when you can be a loving, peaceful people, as you so profess? This is not love. I do not see Christ. I see hatred. I see Satan.

Congratulations, Landover Baptist. You are officially hypocrites. There again, I'm not surprised from a forum which proudly sports this:



...hateful emoticon. What happened to the God of love and forgiveness? Are you blind? Why not extend the hand of friendship to Mr Iero, instead of doing something this rash? Would Jesus have had him thrown in jail? Jesus was the friend of prostitutes and tax collectors. He is the savior of murderers and rapists. He taught love. Have you learned nothing?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

Don't even tell me that haircut doesn't make me look sexy!!

I suppose like mullets did in the 1980's.

Now Levi, I don't know how many times these nice young kids have to tell you folks, but the song isn't written from my perspective. It's written from the mind of a homicidal maniac who's already been lost to depression and violence. You're getting at least half the story here though. You should be upset that the song says that he takes a gun to school; but not upset with the shooter, but upset with the way we treat others in our society. Shootings like that should never occur, but they do because we don't address the real causes of them. It's not music, movies, or video games. It's the daily social interactions we all face.

Would you say that a song about God is designed to lead the listener to God, or if that person is already a believer, it reinforces their belief in God?

What if someone is teetering on the edge of a homicidal rage meltdown? What does MCR's music lead them to?

[sosueme]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

What if someone is teetering on the edge of a homicidal rage meltdown? What does MCR's music lead them to?

Sir, you realize the band Leathermouth has nothing to do with My Chem, whatsoever? Apart from Frank Iero?

I suggest the music video for "Teenagers," which directly demotes teenage violence.

[Frank Iero]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

I suppose like mullets did in the 1980's.



Would you say that a song about God is designed to lead the listener to God, or if that person is already a believer, it reinforces their belief in God?

What if someone is teetering on the edge of a homicidal rage meltdown? What does MCR's music lead them to?

It reinforces their belief that the people who push kids into these situations are the ones to blame of course. Were someone teetering on the edge to listen to my music, I for one would be glad, it might be their last chance to hear something that could really sway their outlook! I mean honestly, the number of people music like Leathermouth and MCR has saved is a a testament alone to how powerful the right message can be. You still just don't get it I think. This song isn't a literal message. You have to put yourself in the shoes of someone who's already lost and given up. Then you start to realize how they'd feel. This my friend, envokes something we artists like to call empathy. It should make you feel a bit dishearted, maybe even angry. Hopefully, angry enough to do something constructive about the problem. Instead of writing up meaningless petitions condemning the music, kids should take this message and run with it. Speak out against the jerk pushing a nerd around. Stop a bully before he has a chance to make someone's bad day worse. Do whatever you can to make a difference. A real difference, not just praying something will change. In the end, the power is in the hands of the individual. Not me. Not you. Not even god.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

Again, I stress that nothing of what you say in any way represents the teachings of Christ.

Really? How about these?

Matthew 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

You are hateful, sinful people, just as much as the next person.

If you were actually a Christian, you would be perfect. Please see my sermon on the matter of perfection according to the scriptures.

Why spread evil when you can be a loving, peaceful people, as you so profess? This is not love. I do not see Christ. I see hatred. I see Satan.

You see hatred. I see us trying to save your soul. I suppose you're the type who wouldn't even try to save a person from a burning building. You would just walk on by and think, "It's cool. That's their choice. Who am I to judge if they want to burn to death?"

Well, I'm not. I would try to save you from the burning building, much like I'm trying to do here.

What happened to the God of love and forgiveness?

God hates the wicked violent soul.

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Would Jesus have had him thrown in jail?

Jesus would have had him whipped and beaten.


Luke 16 47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
49I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
50But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
51Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

He taught love. Have you learned nothing?

I certainly hope you have learned something.

[sosueme]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

Perfection only exists in love. I see no love from you. Christians are not perfect. No one can be perfect. And the scripture you refer to (out of context) from Matthew refers to a day of judgment, yes?

Were Frank one you deem a "sinner," should he not also have his day of judgment and, thus, his chance at reconciliation with God? Forgiveness? What makes you deserve it, over him? Over me? Who are you to forgive, or not to forgive, on the Lord's behalf?

Jesus didn't have the prostitute Mary whipped or beaten. He saved her life. Crucified, remember? Saved her soul. You're not trying to save souls. How is your hate speech saving anyone?

You are blind. You're just like Westboro Baptist, and I truly hope that you see the light someday.

God does not hate the wicked soul. We are all wicked. If I am to believe any of the Bible or of the Christian doctrine, then God saves the wicked soul.

I am not the type to save a helpless person from a burning building, am I? Well, I ask...are you? From what I see, you would simply pass the building, saying, Thy will be done. I know your type. I have seen it for ages. Again, I just hope you realize the wrong you're doing, and turn away from such hatred.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

Perfection only exists in love. I see no love from you.

Chapter and verse please.

Christians are not perfect. No one can be perfect.

Then, how did I just show you a wall of text of Bible scriptures showing that it is possible?

And the scripture you refer to (out of context) from Matthew refers to a day of judgment, yes?

A. Show me how it is out of context.
B. No, it does not refer to the day of judgment.

Were Frank one you deem a "sinner," should he not also have his day of judgment and, thus, his chance at reconciliation with God? Forgiveness?

Of course he will, but I will be there with Jesus also judging.

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

What makes you deserve it, over him? Over me? Who are you to forgive, or not to forgive, on the Lord's behalf?

I'm not worthy until the end of days. I'm only showing him/you what is in the Bible.

Jesus didn't have the prostitute Mary whipped or beaten.

Yes, so He could demonstrate that the people in the crowd were still unsaved.

John 8:7, 9 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

In the end of that story Jesus let's her walk away with a stern warning.

11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

He saved her life. Crucified, remember? Saved her soul. You're not trying to save souls. How is your hate speech saving anyone?

Hate speech? You are calling the Bible hate speech? How is blasphemy working out for you?

You are blind. You're just like Westboro Baptist, and I truly hope that you see the light someday.

As I hope you do.

God does not hate the wicked soul.

Didn't I just show you where the Word says God does hate the wicked soul?

Here's more.

Psalm 139:20-22 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

We are all wicked. If I am to believe any of the Bible or of the Christian doctrine, then God saves the wicked soul.

You are preaching total depravity which is a doctrine the Bible just doesn't support.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

You need to sit down and actually read your Bible.

[Monroeville]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

Excuse me brother, but I wish to express my concern to your view of one Frank Iero's of Leathermouth and My Chemical Romance's song Fifth Period (Fifth Period Massacre).

Firstly, as a Christian, I would have thought that you would not be so quick to judge as to my knowledge Jesus said "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" and this song is from the perspective of a person who has been bullied and it is a way of saying that violence is NEVER the answer, by showing them that if everyone were to take a gun to every single bully's brain, what is the difference between them and the bully. Scaring them, making them fear for their life before taking away their humanity is never the answer. And this is what, well this is what I get from this song. So put your stone away.

Have you not been bullied before?

If your answer is "no" then you are not thinking back hard enough.

I have been bullied throughout my life and violence is NEVER the solution.

Had he not written the song who knows what would have happened. And since you are the first person to link it to the events of Columbine, what does that say about you?

It says that all you see is the bad in humanity. Which is pretty sad. This album was released about 3 years ago and nobody has complained or made a huge fuss about it. And as a christian myself my first response is one of concern not of condemnation.

As a fellow sibling in the eyes of God, I ask you to reconsider you point and acknowledge the fact the your ignorance is making many christians victimised because it is making us all look ignorant. I don't care if you damn me to hell, I don't care if you send and angry mob on me for speaking the truth because everything you are doing right now, is completely unchristian and that as a Pastor or whatever you are, you should be seeking to help those who feel the urge to break one of God's 10 commandment "Thou shall not murder" instead of claiming those who are doing this, should be sent to jail.

And for this reason, I have signed the petition AGAINST what you are saying.

Sincerely,

Aelita Storm

[Levi Jones]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

Excuse me brother, but I wish to express my concern to your view of one Frank Iero's of Leathermouth and My Chemical Romance's song Fifth Period (Fifth Period Massacre).

Firstly, as a Christian, I would have thought that you would not be so quick to judge as to my knowledge Jesus said "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" and this song is from the perspective of a person who has been bullied and it is a way of saying that violence is NEVER the answer, by showing them that if everyone were to take a gun to every single bully's brain, what is the difference between them and the bully.

Went to dad's closet
I picked up his .45
Grabbed 3 boxes of bullets
And on my hip they shall reside..
Until I opened the gym doors
You should have seen those fucks run
I poured out a full clip
In their backs I got some
I've finally found my smile
It's pure and blood stained
So who's the bitch now?
I'll paint the lockers with your brains

Nothing can help this fucking pain in my heart
Nothing compares to this pain in my heart
Nothing can take away this pain in my heart
But your blood on my hands,
Well at least it's a start


Yeah, I'm not seeing anywhere this songs condemns violence.

It appears to be on par with M.C. Chris' Geek in terms of a school shooting anthem.

So, there's my judgment as per 1 Corinthians 2:15

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I gotta run for a few minutes, but I do look forward to speaking about the Bible more with you later.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

... whine whine whine ...

No wonder everyone you ever met bullied you around. I never met you and already I feel the urge to hit you with a blunt object.

Stop behaving like a victim and start behaving like someone created by the most powerful being in the universe: God!

[IamGoingtoHell]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

Thank you for signing, Pastor. You know, freaks like this deserve ALL they get. I hope the little punk spends some quality jail time - make him realise how much of a lunatic he is. Recording artists with massive fanbases of emotionally unbalanced kids REALLY should know better! But then, I guess this is what we should expect from an Emo lunatic like Iero.

Here is what it says in Wikipedia about this pathetic freak -

Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Iero



I see he was bullied in highschool. Well, with lyrics like that, it's obvious at one point of his life he contemplated "doing a Columbine", but didn't have the stones to go through with it! Now he wants to encourage his fans to carry out his sick High-school massacring fantasies!

I can only see one outcome from releasing a track like this - mass murder! We know he's already worshipped by 1000s of young naive impressionable teens. They listen to his lyrics, let it influence and brainwash them. They want to be like their hero! It only takes one weak-willed emotionally-unstable bullied emo kid to listen to the lyrics, and say "Yea, I feel the same as that guy.... hang on a second... that's an idea... Hey, I'm gonna kill all my classmates like that guy in the song! Thanks Iero!"

But you think the record company would know better? I can see a Class Action Lawsuit being brought out against them after the next major Highschool Massacre.

I honestly just made an account on this website so I could post this comment. It will most likely be my last, as I know that you ban members who take his side in this argument. You sit here and call Frank a freak, as though you have a place to judge him. I'm a young person, not to mention one who was raised in the catholic religion, and I listen to and love both MCR and Leathermouth. I have no plans to commit mass murder, nor do I have any wish to see my schoolmates dead. You call him a freak, a murderer, sick, and even go as far as to call him a spineless lunatic. I don't wish to kill anyone, he doesn't wish to kill anyone, and the rest of the fans don't wish to kill anyone. You, sir, and your community on this website, are the ones who wish to see others dead. So before you go around pointing fingers and calling names, perhaps you should make sure you're not expressing extreme ammounts of hypocriticism in doing so.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

You sit here and call Frank a freak, as though you have a place to judge him.

But of course it is. Leviticus 19:15 "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."

one who was raised in the catholic religion

My condolences. Did it hurt when those priests molested you?

[CatBulletproofHeart]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

I am going to be as calm as i can. I'm not going to throw insults or sling mud. Music is a freedom of expression and a way to tell stories. I understand if it id your opinion that Frank should be jailed. It is not my opinion. Frank was letting his emotions out and at the same time i think he was using metaphors. I'm not going to say i ever took personal offense to christan music. Sometimes i actually like it. But i am going to bring it to your attention that some people may not like Christian hymns.
On another note, it isn't necessarily The band's fault if a person acts wrongly or intreprets something in the wrong way. Someone's actions can't be blamed by music. Only by the little thought the person puts in.
Sincerely,
Cat

[IamGoingtoHell]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

My condolences. Did it hurt when those priests molested you?

I wouldn't know. I've never been molested by a priest. Why do christians hate on catholics so much? Is it not enough that we all praise Jesus as our lord and saviour? I believe in God, and even if I didn't that wouldn't make me a bad person. What makes a bad person a bad person is their character and their personality. I am a good person, I just don't think it's rational to want to kill a man for writing a song.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Emo nutbag plans to inspire the next Columbine- Sign the Peti

I am going to be as calm as i can. ... not very calm apparently ... Sincerely, Cat

Did your husband give you permission to visit this forum?

I never met a cat that was bullet proof by the way. All the cats I shot in my life, died immediately.