[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Well, thanks for the remark Brother, it really made my day!

See how the vile sinner doesn't even try to deny being a blasphemer but takes pleasure in people pointing it out!
I suppose this is also why he choose such a vile and blashemous name.

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

BWAHAHAAHAHAAA!!

Well, thanks for the remark Brother, it really made my day!

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

If this is so they should scratch the commandment.

DID YOU JUST TELL US TO GET RID OF PART OF GOD'S WORD?

BLASPHEMER! FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART I REBUKE YOU! GET THEE HENCE AND DO NOT RETURN UNTIL YOU HAVE REPENTED OF YOUR SINS AND BECOME A CHRISTIAN!

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

If this is so they should scratch the commandment.

Does this finally mean that you recognize that God commands us to execute certain people? About time!

But this discussion is going nowhere, you have your oppinion, I have mine.

No, we have God's Word, you have yours.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

If this is so they should scratch the commandment.

But this discussion is going nowhere, you have your oppinion, I have mine.

How daft can someone be??
It is only your INTERPRETATION that "thou shalt not kill" equals "thou shalt not execute" that needs to get scratched.
It is only your idea that execution = murder that needs to get scratched.

WITHOUT THAT INTERPRETATION; there is no contradiciton whatsoever.
With it however, the contradiction would be in the Bible, and God and His Word simply doesn't contradict itself.

This is not about opinon, it is about the UNDENIABLE truth, the truth as to what the Holy Bible says:
And you obviously have no idea whatsoever.
You seem to only know ONE commandment, and your interpretation of it contradicts about half the Old Testament.

Either the OT is contradictonary, or you are.. And God doesn't contradict Himself.
You however.. well..
You've really done a great job of proving yourself ignorant beyond belief.


How would you interpretate this?
And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death:
All the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

Is that not a DIRECT ORDER from God to execute someone?
And what about this?

And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
So shalt thou put evil away from among you;

Is that not God telling us to execute people by stoning them?

Face it, you have no idea whatsoever what the Bible says.
You know nothing.

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

If this is so they should scratch the commandment.

But this discussion is going nowhere, you have your oppinion, I have mine.

Can we get back to the toppic now?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

So if execution is murder..
Then WHY does God command some people to be executed?

He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
Exodus 21:12

And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
Exodus 21:15

And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 21:17

Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 22:19

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:
They shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13

And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones.
And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.
Leviticus 24:23

And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
Numbers 15:35-36

And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die;
Because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deuteronomy 13:10

Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman,
And shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Deuteronomy 17:5

And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you;
And all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Deuteronomy 21:20-21



Face it: your interpretation of "thou shalt not kill" creates a gaping contradiction in the Bible a mile wide!
And if execution was murder, then according to your logic, God would command EVERYONE dead:

And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Exodus 21:23-25

And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Deuteronomy 19:21

Your intepretation is, simply put, laughable.
And not a single person who've actually studied the Bible would agree with it.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

I interpetrate it in a way that it doesnt contradict with the commandments. This isnt about witches, this is about a war and thats not the same as murder. Where in that scripture do you find 'witches'?
And whats the 'dancing around hand in hand' stuff about? Where did you make that up?

So you admit that God allows us to kill in some circumstances? That "thou shalt not kill" is not an absolute? Why would we be allowed to kill Amalekites and not witches?
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
This is not saying "witches go to Hell", although they certainly do, it is describing a specific line of action - allowing a witch to live - and then prohibiting it. If we cannot allow a witch to live, what options are we left with?
Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.
How can you interpret this other than saying that witches and wizards must be put to death?

Ha, it isnt about my word, it is about how you read god's.

I'm already capable of reading God's word in the first place, thank you very much.

Nope, I think you make him do that by seeing the texts wrong. You are simply discarding the commandments.

No, we follow the commandments, and so we do not prohibit murder. You are simply discarding the 99% of the Bible that isn't the commandments.

Killing because of a wrong vieuw of gods word isnt justified. Then its not gods word anymore, its merely your mind that thinks it is.

And that's why we only kill because of a correct view of God's word.

He doesnt. Why do you make him contradict himself?

No. He does very clearly command capital punishment.
Leviticus 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

Did god tell you to ignore certain parts of the bible? No, why are you doing that then? If he speaks about wars it isnt murder, but if he speaks about punishment it would be in your interpertation.
Maybe we are talking about different things. If you think of the wars and rightfull defence i can understand your point.

Why are you ignoring certain parts of the Bible. While I am glad that you can at least admit that GOD commanding us to kill small children in war is not murder, how can you deny that The Lord commands capital punishment? Let me run through a few of those scriptures again:

Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

Deuteronomy 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Did he give you a direct command? No, and do you have scripture? Then show me, and show me that it can only be what you think it means.

See above. How can you deny what's right in front of your face?

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Way to raise the tone of the debate, fag.

Excuse me? It was you who started with the gay-stuf! Sorry, but if you want to play it that way you can get it, and now you're pissed all of the sudden? Grow up man...

You're the one who claims that "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" means "thou shalt hold hands with a witch and dance around and around in a big field filled with roses and butterflies". How exactly do you interpret this scripture?

I interpetrate it in a way that it doesnt contradict with the commandments. This isnt about witches, this is about a war and thats not the same as murder. Where in that scripture do you find 'witches'?
And whats the 'dancing around hand in hand' stuff about? Where did you make that up?

No. We study the truth of the Bible. We ignore things that men say that contradict the Bible, since we accept God as a higher authority. Why is that so hard for you to accept? If we accepted your word over God's, we would no longer be His disciples. Case closed.

Ha, it isnt about my word, it is about how you read god's.

So you think GOD contradicts himself?

Nope, I think you make him do that by seeing the texts wrong. You are simply discarding the commandments.

No, killing is not murder when it is justified. And killing in accordance with GOD's commands is pretty justified.

Killing because of a wrong vieuw of gods word isnt justified. Then its not gods word anymore, its merely your mind that thinks it is.

You are deranged. Capital punishment is commanded time and time again, throughout the Bible. Why would GOD contradict himself?

He doesnt. Why do you make him contradict himself?

No, he says murder is killing for one's own reasons, not God's reasons. If we kill someone because GOD tells us to, that is not for our own reasons. Why would the Bible forbid us to follow the Bible's commands? Think about, you insufferable moron!

Did god tell you to ignore certain parts of the bible? No, why are you doing that then? If he speaks about wars it isnt murder, but if he speaks about punishment it would be in your interpertation.
Maybe we are talking about different things. If you think of the wars and rightfull defence i can understand your point.

Yes, we are forced to by God's commands.

Did he give you a direct command? No, and do you have scripture? Then show me, and show me that it can only be what you think it means.

Yes, I understand that Jesus doesn't approve of drug abuse (although I'd be very interested to see if you can find some scripture to back that statement up with). But I also understand that He doesn't approve of mongoloids. If you're just high, then there may be some hope of you accepting Jesus when you finally come down, but if you're this dense all the time, then there is no hope at all, and you are simply doomed to the Lake of Fire. And that is why I pray that you're on smack.

No comment on thisone, your just being angry and writhing mean stuff.
Can we stop shouting now please? Especially the gay-stuf, we both are above the level of insulting eachother in a good discussion.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Well, Ill reply to this post, with acception of the usual insults of course.

But you won't actually quote the post in question, because that would be far too simple.

1 - I didnt call god a homosexual paedophile, I meant it litteral. 'You are the addopted/bastard son of two homosexual paedophiles who mollest you every day before supper.'

Way to raise the tone of the debate, fag.

2 - No, you post scripture that clearly contradicts what you say it means. And when you realise it does you switch over to denial and insulting to cover your mistakes. Jesus thinks you're weak.

You're the one who claims that "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" means "thou shalt hold hands with a witch and dance around and around in a big field filled with roses and butterflies". How exactly do you interpret this scripture?
1 Samuel 15:1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

3 - Im not saying you shouldnt be god's deciples. And didnt you just say your ignorance and denying restricted your world to just your personal vieuw of the bible? Which means you havent studdied it since studying is learning and looking at a subject in different ways to see every aspect of it.

No. We study the truth of the Bible. We ignore things that men say that contradict the Bible, since we accept God as a higher authority. Why is that so hard for you to accept? If we accepted your word over God's, we would no longer be His disciples. Case closed.

4 - I do.

So you think GOD contradicts himself?

5 - Its childish to say 'no your wrong because the incorrectly spelled word doesnt exist', man! A two year old is more sensible then that!
And 'do not kill a person at all' should be 'do not murder a person at all', Im sorry for that mistake. But not that it matters much since killing after preperation without being forced by some kind of self defence is murder.

No, killing is not murder when it is justified. And killing in accordance with GOD's commands is pretty justified.

6 - Yes, because captial punishment is murder, its killing with preperation and after planning to. And that contradicts with the commandment.

You are deranged. Capital punishment is commanded time and time again, throughout the Bible. Why would GOD contradict himself?

7 - "And executing in the name of god is the personal reason why someone may kill a witch, he believes that this is right."
OnYourKnees said the following:
'Murder is killing for one's own reasons, not God's reasons.
Justifiable homicide, of course, is killing in self-defense.'

Murder is killing for one's own reasons he sais, and i explain that killing in the name of god is what that person beleves in and therefor it is his personal reason. Thus it is murder, thus it is forbidden by the bible.

No, he says murder is killing for one's own reasons, not God's reasons. If we kill someone because GOD tells us to, that is not for our own reasons. Why would the Bible forbid us to follow the Bible's commands? Think about, you insufferable moron!

Justifable homicide being self-defence is allowed because you do not prepare/plan to and are forced.

Yes, we are forced to by God's commands.

And finally: You hope Im on drugs? What kind of wish is that? I hope you understand that Jesus doent approve drug abuse.

Yes, I understand that Jesus doesn't approve of drug abuse (although I'd be very interested to see if you can find some scripture to back that statement up with). But I also understand that He doesn't approve of mongoloids. If you're just high, then there may be some hope of you accepting Jesus when you finally come down, but if you're this dense all the time, then there is no hope at all, and you are simply doomed to the Lake of Fire. And that is why I pray that you're on smack.

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Well, Ill reply to this post, with acception of the usual insults of course.

1 - I didnt call god a homosexual paedophile, I meant it litteral. 'You are the addopted/bastard son of two homosexual paedophiles who mollest you every day before supper.'

2 - No, you post scripture that clearly contradicts what you say it means. And when you realise it does you switch over to denial and insulting to cover your mistakes. Jesus thinks you're weak.

3 - Im not saying you shouldnt be god's deciples. And didnt you just say your ignorance and denying restricted your world to just your personal vieuw of the bible? Which means you havent studdied it since studying is learning and looking at a subject in different ways to see every aspect of it.

4 - I do.

5 - Its childish to say 'no your wrong because the incorrectly spelled word doesnt exist', man! A two year old is more sensible then that!
And 'do not kill a person at all' should be 'do not murder a person at all', Im sorry for that mistake. But not that it matters much since killing after preperation without being forced by some kind of self defence is murder.

6 - Yes, because captial punishment is murder, its killing with preperation and after planning to. And that contradicts with the commandment.

7 - "And executing in the name of god is the personal reason why someone may kill a witch, he believes that this is right."
OnYourKnees said the following:
'Murder is killing for one's own reasons, not God's reasons.
Justifiable homicide, of course, is killing in self-defense.'

Murder is killing for one's own reasons he sais, and i explain that killing in the name of god is what that person beleves in and therefor it is his personal reason. Thus it is murder, thus it is forbidden by the bible.

Justifable homicide being self-defence is allowed because you do not prepare/plan to and are forced.

And finally: You hope Im on drugs? What kind of wish is that? I hope you understand that Jesus doent approve drug abuse.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

How high is this moron? I am seriously dazzled by this spectacular display of stupidity.

Where do you get the homosexual thing from? The only ones who are are your mollesting father(s).

Friend, here at Landover, we recognise the authority of only one Father - our Father who art in Heaven. That means you just called God Almighty a homosexual paedophile.

I have made statements about god and Jesus, after which you post the Scripture and some insults. And after that I prove my point with that exact Scripture. If you dont beleve me, just go back a couple of pages in this toppic.

No. You make wild unfounded blasphemous statements, after which we point out the truth and back ourselves up with God's word, after which you claim the scripture means the exact opposite of what it does, and then attempt to change the subject by accusing God of buggering alterboys. JESUS is not impressed.

I ask questions twice while they are already awnsered you say. Where is the awnser on "And you want to be gods diciple, while you cant even listen to the people around you?" then? And I can give more examples of questions you have avoided if you want to.

Simple answer: we want to be God's disciples, so we listen to what God tells us. Listening to what you say would only make sense if we wished to be your disciple, not God's. I hate to break it to you, but I very much doubt anyone will ever wish to be your disciple.

Read the part about the ten commandments again if you want proof of this. You even interpetrate parts of the bible in a way that you are stating it contradicts itself!

What on earth do you mean? Our interpretation of the Bible is perfectly consistent.
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
1 Samuel 15:1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. I see no contradiction here. Do you?

A cristal clear contradiction of exodus 22:18? You already said that, and I already said that then the bible contradicts itself because of the ten commandments. You interpetrate it as 'you must/may kill witchens' while the commandments say 'dont kill a person at all'.

Friend, nowhere in the Bible does it mention "witchens", and nowhere does it say "dont kill a person at all". Now you're just making stuff up.

Executing = killing on purpose
killing on purpose = murder

Even you should understand that...

So do you really think that the Bible prohibits capital punishment?

Justifiable homicide isn't murder, and therefor it is alowed by the comandments. And executing in the name of god is the personal reason why someone may kill a witch, he believes that this is right.

You may punish witches, but kill them? No.

Why are you contradicting yourself? The part of your statement I've bolded is, as usual, badly written and incoherently expressed, but otherwise 100% correct. You wrote two sentences explaining why we're allowed to kill witches, and then said we're not allowed to kill witches. I pray that you're on drugs, because if you "think" (and I use that word in the loosest sense possible) like this when not under the influence of mind-altering chemicals, then there's clearly no hope for you at all.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Nope, I consider the one that executes the murderer. And I'm merely stating that this interpretation contrradicts the commandments because execution is murderer.

Only if execution was murder.. (But it isn't.)
And I dare you to give me a verse saying that it is.
So that's only your OPINON, and your opinon ONLY.

It's only your interpretation that creates contradictions:
If not, the contradiction would have been in the Holy Bible.
But how could that which is written by God have contradictions, ie be imperfect?

Just take a look at these passages below, if your interpretation was correct, these contradict each other.
And the Bible would have contradictions, which it doesn't have!:

Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:12

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom,
Or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
Deuteronomy 13:6-9

So the only contradiction arises when one interpretates execution as murder.

You also seem totally unable to recognize degrees of killing..
With your "logic" there wouldn't even be a difference between killing randomly and with no reason whatsoever, or killing in self-defence.

[Lord Lucifer]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

Nope, I consider the one that executes the murderer. And I'm merely stating that this interpretation contrradicts the commandments because execution is murderer.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Christian music. Why so happy?

I saw it but it is not logical nor Biblically correct, and that's why I refuted it.

But you consider God a murderer then?
Your strange interpretations make no sense whatsoever, maybe it has to do with the fact that they aren't really based on the Bible..
Death penalty is God's favourite penalty, and He commands it for a great deal of things.
So you must consider God some kind of mass murderer.