[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: why??

Crazy,

You've posted quite a bit there, but tell me about these parts...

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)

The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5).

"Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29)

"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5);

"murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).

"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)

"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).

"Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).

"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).

"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34).

"for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22)

You see, I keep hearing Muslims say Islam is a religion of peace, but I don't see it in the Koran. You even believe that it is not Muslims killing innocent people, but Allah himself...

"It is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself." (Koran 8:17; cp. Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190)

Allah "will punish them by our hands..." (Koran 9:14).

How are we, True Christians™ to believe a thing you say? Islam teaches that Christians are idol worshippers, and you think that we worship three gods...

"The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was no more than Allah's apostle and His Word which He cast to Mary; a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His apostles and do not say: 'Three.' ...Allah is but one God...." (Koran 4:171)

"...Then Allah will say: 'Jesus, the son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind: 'Worship me and my mother as gods beside Allah?'" (Koran 5:114)

Since we're pagans according to Islam, it is acceptable for you to break oaths...

It is acceptable to break treaties and obligations with pagans and make war on them whenever strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)

Don't get me started on mandetory Jihad, which the Koran and Surah An-Nisa teaches.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: why??

First, I must wonder why you would pick a name "crazy" (which means insane or mentally ill) if you wanted to have a serious discussion about Islam.

However, I believe I can speak for all of us when I say I'm glad you brought it up.

Now, your post being quite long, I'm going to quote and respond to some segments which I believe represent the entire post.

i did not ask coze i am not sure what is the right way to Paradise and happeness no WAY
I know were and i pray that my God(ALLAH) will help me to reach it

I am Muslim
i want to talk about mine
i know that no one of you know what is Islam
i will but translate (this just to explain the Holy Quran)

<Section of Quran, describing how wonderful Paradise is>

if u want have more
http://www.islam-guide.com/

Your quote only describes Paradise. It doesn't say how one gets to Paradise. Please explain.

Jesus
Not the sun of God coze God never have sun and if he is his sun(which is not true) why he killed him coze other fault this is not good at all an it is not fear and this God cant save his sun is not able to be god I do not trust him

Jesus is the human manifestation of God. You see, God created humans, and created them unable to avoid sin. So, He set up a system by which they could sacrifice animals to atone for their sins. I believe your Allah uses a similar system.

Eventually, God got tired of animal sacrifices, and created a human version of Himself to serve as the ultimate sacrifice.

Basically, God made the humans who couldn't follow the Law, and the Law, and then came to earth to allow Himself to be sacrificed to Himself in order that He would not have to condemn people He created to Hell for being created unable to perfectly follow the Law He created.

Make sense?

Jesus

Is the brother to Mohammad (BOH) coze they are messengers from ALLAH to people

Please think clear
And how God have sun ….? Dose he have awife is she mary no way if he have sun that mean he married how god married and becom like us
Blease think clear

The Bible indicates that God made use of the Holy Spirit to impregnate Mary, that Jesus should be born of a human.

THE RELIGION OF ISLAM

<history of name of Islam> It was chosen by Allah Himself and clearly mentioned in His final revelation to man. In the final book of divine revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah states the following:

"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion". (Soorah Al-Maa'idah 5:3)

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah (God) never will It be accepted of Him" (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:85)

"Abraham was not a Jew nor Christian; but an upright Muslim." (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:67)

This does not make sense. Why would God wait until well after both Judaism and Christianity were established, to then declare something different? God is constant and unchanging. Therefore, He would not change the rules mid-course, as your religion suggests He did.

THE MESSAGE OF ISLAM

Since the total submission of one's will to Allah represents the essence of worship, the basic message of Allah's divine religion, Islam is the worship of Allah alone and the avoidance of worship directed to any person, place or thing other than Allah.Since everything other than Allah, the Creator of all things, is Allah's creation; it may be said that Islam, in essence calls man away from the worship of creation and invites him to worship only its Creator. ...

Similarly, prayers to Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna, to Saint Christopher, or Saint Jude or even to Muhammad, are not answered by them but are answered by Allah. Jesus did nottell his followers to worship him but to worship Allah. As the Qur'aan states:

"And behold Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary Did you say to men, Worship me and my mother as gods besides Allah He will say-"Glory to you I could never say what I had no right (to say')" (Soorah Al-Maa'idah- 5:116)

Nor did he worship himself when he worshipped but rather he worshipped Allah. This basic principle is enshrined in the opening chapter of the Qur'aan, known as Soorah Al-Faatihah, verse 4:

"You alone do we worship and from you alone do we seek help".

Again, this does not make sense. These verses are clearly written to discredit Christianity, and were written well after Christianity was well-established.

Incidentally, only Catholics pray to "saints" or to Mary, the mother of Jesus. We are not Catholics.

Elsewhere, in the final book of revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah also said:

"And your Lord says:"Call on Me and I will answer your(prayer)."(Soorsh Mu'min 40:60)

Also, something written well after Christianity was established. It's very easy for Mohammed to put words into Jesus' mouth; people do it all the time!

it is worth noting that the basic message of Islam is that Allah and His creation are distinctly different entities. Neither is Allah His creation or a part of it, nor is His creation Him or a part of Him.
This might seem obvious, but, man's worship of creation instead of the Creator is to a large degree based on ignorance of this concept. It is the belief that the essence of Allah is everywhere in His creation or that His divine being is or was present in some aspects of His creation, which has provided justification for the worship of creation though such worship maybecalled the worship of Allah through his creation. How ever, the message of Islam as brought by the prophets of Allah is to worship only Allah and to avoid the worship of his creation either directly or indirectly. In the Our'aan Allah clearlystates:

"For We assuredly sent amongst every people a prophet,(with the command) worship meand avoid false gods " (Soorsh Al-Nahl 16:36)

When the idol worshipper is questioned as to why he or she bows down to idols created by men, the invariable reply is that they are not actually worshipping the stone image, but Allah who is present within it. They claim that the stone idol is only a focal point for Allah's essence and is not in itself Allah! One who has accepted the concept of the presence of God's being within His creation in any way will be obliged to accept this argument of idolatry. Whereas, one who understands the basic message of Islam and its implications would never concede to idolatry no matter how it is rationalized. Those who have claimed divinity for themselves down through the ages have often based their claims on the mistaken belief that Allah is present in man. They merely had to assert that although Allah according to their false beliefs, is in all of us, He is more present in them than in the rest of us. Hence, they claim, we should submit our will to them and worship them as they are either God in person or God concentrated within the person.

I believe we agree on this portion.

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: why??

I think I remember some references to Jesus in the Koran...

"Jesus is like Adam in the sight of Allah. he created him of dust and then said to him: 'Be,' and he was." (Koran 3:55, 58)

They don't believe Jesus was divine, but merely an apostle. They also believe that God has no sons, because He created no other gods, because that would diminish him, so there could be no consort.

• "...Allah forbid that He should have a son." (Koran 4:171)
• "It is not meet for God to have children." (Koran 19.92)
• "He begets not, nor he is begotten, and there is none like unto him." (Koran 112:3)
• "No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with him. [if so] then behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah! from things they attribute to Him." (Koran 23:91)
• "And they say, 'The Most Gracious Has betaken a son!' Indeed you have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are bout to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin: That they attributed a son to the Most Gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of the Most Gracious that He should beget a son. Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to the Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them [all], and numbered them exactly, and everyone of them will come to him singly on the day of judgment." (Koran 19:88)
• "And (they) impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters unto Him...How can He have a child when there is no consort for him...?" (Koran 6:101-103)

[R-R-R]

Re: why??

i know that no one of you know what is Islam

You know that none of us knows about the Islam? Well, you might want to reconsider that idea... In college we've been taught about the Islamic version of the Genesis. It was about Allah talking about his plans to create Adam and Iblis (the defias 'angel' or 'djinn') opposing that idea at first, and then the Qur'an refers to him (Iblis) as Shai'tan from the moment that he succesfully tempts Adam to eat from the forbidden tree.

Does that sound familiar?

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: why??

Does that sound familiar?

Interesting how they all disappear when someone shows any knowledge of that unholy Koran or Qur'an.

[R-R-R]

Re: why??

Interesting how they all disappear when someone shows any knowledge of that unholy Koran or Qur'an.

He might have had to go offline for a moment (dinner, bed time or praying to his false God ). Then again, if he did flee we'll be rid of yet another unsaved heathen...

[crazy]

Re: why??

wiil i have to answer but i am not fast reader so u have to wait

[crazy]

Re: why??

He might have had to go offline for a moment (dinner, bed time or praying to his false God ). Then again, if he did flee we'll be rid of yet another unsaved heathen...

false God
say whatever
but one day i will meet you and you will be asked who is the Greatest
God ?

think befoer say things , safeley to stop when you should stop

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: why??

but one day i will meet you and you will be asked who is the Greatest
God ?

You contradict yourself here. There is only one God. True Christians™ have known this for centuries.

It rest of your post sounds suspiciously like a threat. Are you actually threatening us with terrorist Islamic retribution? What happened to, "Islam is a religion of peace?"

If I'm wrong, then please answer a few questions. You claim Islam is a good religion, but after reading the Koran, I see nothing but orders for people to be killed if they leave the religion and how they should make war on Christians and joos. How exactly is that peaceful?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: why??

The "prophet" moohamad (piss be upon him) liked young girls. In fact, his youngest "wife" called Ayesha Bibi was only 6 years old! The "prophet" was 53 years old when he had sex with 9 year old Ayesha Bibi. He was a sexual predator and pedophile. His false cult will lead millions to hellfire.

This fact alone is enough to make any reasonable person dismiss the mudslime terrorist cult.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: why??

And that's not to mention the number of gay relationships that Muhammid had....

[Brother Temperance]

Re: why??

The "prophet" moohamad (piss be upon him) liked young girls. In fact, his youngest "wife" called Ayesha Bibi was only 6 years old! The "prophet" was 53 years old when he had sex with 9 year old Ayesha Bibi. He was a sexual predator and pedophile. His false cult will lead millions to hellfire.

This fact alone is enough to make any reasonable person dismiss the mudslime terrorist cult.

And another thing: Muslims tend to become very angry, even volatile, when they feel their "prophet" is being mocked. Also, Islam teaches that swine are filthy creatures to be avoided at all costs. But their Prophet had a name that sounds remarkably similar to Moo-Ham-Head, with a pig product buried right in the centre of it! One may object that people in the ancient Middle East had no way of knowing what their names would sound like hundreds of years later, but that is really no excuse. If we were to presume the existence of "Allah" for a moment, we must conclude that either he didn't know that, by the 21st Century, English would be the only language spoken by anyone worth caring about, and a "god" that short-sighted and ignorant can hardly be considered a "god" at all, or that he deliberately designed Moo-HAM-head's name to be easy for us to mock, in which case devout Muslims should express their faith by making fun of the Prophet at every possible occasion.

[crazy]

Re: why??

You contradict yourself here. There is only one God. True Christians™ have known this for centuries.

It rest of your post sounds suspiciously like a threat. Are you actually threatening us with terrorist Islamic retribution? What happened to, "Islam is a religion of peace?"

If I'm wrong, then please answer a few questions. You claim Islam is a good religion, but after reading the Koran, I see nothing but orders for people to be killed if they leave the religion and how they should make war on Christians and joos. How exactly is that peaceful?

Ok you said
Are you actually threatening us with terrorist Islamic retribution?


no way i am not not becouse i am a fread no i ment on Judge day man
and we will be asked by God himeself

i will answer every thing

you know every time they talk about islam they say : islam = terrorist
please do not hear from poeple do not know the real of islam

islam give you peace in your heart with your self and powerful 2
no one can treat you bad

Jehad now have another meaning it is to fight your self by staying away from bad behave and to to do bad to others

Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.
Mohammad (gay) what afoul to talk about him that way
can you improve it no you cant
if he bad why we still love, respect him
think please??

[Brother Temperance]

Re: why??

Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.
Mohammad (gay) what afoul to talk about him that way
can you improve it no you cant
if he bad why we still love, respect him
think please??

Because Satan has tricked you, that is why you love and respect him. But nevertheless, here at God's favourite forums we strive to respect and cater for the sensibilities of all. Would you consider Mohammad (paedophile) an acceptable way of referring to him?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: why??

islam give you peace in your heart with your self and powerful 2
no one can treat you bad

I thought you claimed we just did so?
But friend, I don't believe everyone of you are terrorists.
No, I'm quite sure that atleast a few of you hasn't joined Al-Qaida.. yet.
(Probably still too young to apply for membership I suppose.)

But do know that satan has tricked you into following a false religion.
For just a simple example of your clear contradiction of God's will:
You aren't allown to eat pig, yet God CLEARLY abolished the food laws in Acts 10:13-15!
So what's that all about?

Why do you think God was wrong to abolish the food laws?
Do you think that you, mere humans, would know better than God?