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  • Pastor Ezekiel
    Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
     
    • Sep 2006
    • 78556

    #1

    De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

    THIS latest scheme to insult Jesus and destroy Christianity is brought to you by none other than satan's favorite footsoldiers, the atheists. They MUST be stopped!

    Atheists choose 'de-baptism' to renounce childhood faith

    Up until last summer, Jennifer Gray of Columbus, Ohio, considered herself "a weak Christian" whose baptism at age 11 in a Kentucky church came to mean less and less to her as she gradually lost faith in God.
    Then the 32-year-old medical transcriptionist took a decisive step, one that previously hadn't been available. She got "de-baptized."

    In a type of mock ceremony that's now been performed in at least four states, a robed "priest" used a hairdryer marked "reason" in an apparent bid to blow away the waters of baptism once and for all. Several dozen participants then fed on a "de-sacrament" (crackers with peanut butter) and received certificates assuring they had "freely renounced a previous mistake, and accepted Reason over Superstition."

    For Gray, the lighthearted spirit of last summer's Atheist Coming Out Party and De-Baptism Bash in suburban Westerville, Ohio, served a higher purpose than merely spoofing a Christian rite.

    "It was very therapeutic," Gray said in an interview. "It was a chance to laugh at the silly things I used to believe as a child. It helped me admit that it was OK to think the way I think and to not have any religious beliefs."

    Within the past year, "de-baptism" ceremonies have attracted as many as 250 participants at atheist conventions in Ohio, Texas, Florida and Georgia. More have taken place on college campuses in recent years, according to Hemant Mehta, chair of the board of directors for the Secular Student Alliance, a group that promotes atheism among high school and college students.

    "If we're having a winter solstice or summer solstice get-together or some other event, we might say: 'Who wants to get de-baptized?' " said Greg McDowell, the Florida state director for American Atheists, an advocacy and networking group. "It's a bit of satire. People will play the fool by waving their arms in the air and saying, 'I got de-baptized!' But the paperwork is still legit."

    Some of the so-called "de-baptized" have used their certificates to petition churches to remove their names from baptismal rolls. One argument: they were baptized without their consent as children and should now be declared de-baptized.

    Some churches, however, aren't budging on what they regard as an irreversible sacrament.

    Atheist Gary Mueller recently mailed his de-baptism certificate to St. Bonaventure Catholic Church in Concord, Calif., and asked to be dropped from its baptismal record. The church told him, in effect, that he was all wet.

    "While we do not remove a name/person from a Baptism register, we can note alongside your name that 'you have left the Roman Catholic Church,' " the Rev. Richard Mangini replied in an e-mail. "I hope that God surprises you one day and lets you know that He is quite well."

    In Christian theology, baptism can't be undone. If a Southern Baptist renounces his or her baptism, then that person is usually presumed to have never received an authentic baptism in the first place, according to Nathan Finn, assistant professor of Baptist studies at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C.

    For mainline Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox Christians, baptism is commonly understood as a sign or means of grace and a covenant that God maintains even when humans turn away, said Laurence Stookey, professor emeritus of preaching and worship at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington. He said "de-baptizers" misunderstand baptism when they caricature it as an attempt at magic.

    Baptism "is a kind of adoption where you become a child of God, of the church and of the family," Stookey said. "You can renounce your physical parents, (the church and God), but they cannot renounce you because you are their child. Anybody who makes fun of baptism probably hasn't gone into it in enough depth to know that."

    De-baptism efforts have been growing internationally in recent years. More than 100,000 Britons downloaded de-baptism certificates from the National Secular Society (NSS) between 2005 and 2009, according to NSS campaigner Stephen Evans. Upwards of 1,000 Italians requested de-baptism certificates prior to Italy's "De-Baptism Day" last October, according to Italy's Union of Rationalist Atheists and Agnostics.

    Public ceremonies to confer de-baptism, however, seem to be primarily an American phenomenon.

    "I think a de-baptism ceremony (in Europe) would strike a lot of secularists and atheists as kind of pointless," Evans said. "They would leave the ceremonies to the religious."

    Not all American non-believers have warmed to de-baptism rituals. Secularist Phil Zuckerman, a Pitzer College sociologist who studies apostates, said he would never take part in such an event because it "feels intrinsically negative" and "immature."

    Even so, he said, de-baptisms may serve a cathartic function for some participants, as well as a political one.

    "For a long time, non-religious people in the Bible Belt just kept quiet, but they aren't keeping quiet anymore," Zuckerman said. "I think that's largely a reaction to George W. Bush's presidency. (Atheists) were saying, 'The government is being taken over by very religious people. We need to stand up and say: 'We're here. We're secular. Deal with it.' "

    Atheist groups expect more de-baptisms in years ahead. Mehta, of the Secular Students Alliance, says college groups already bring blow driers to campus recruitment events, offering to de-baptize undergraduates on the spot.

    Meanwhile, organizers of de-baptisms are broadening their mockery to include other religions. At the American Atheists' national convention in Atlanta last April, the de-baptism event included a dance where women in burqas stripped down to red-sequined leotards, according to Blair Scott, the group's national affiliate director.

    The goal, he said, was to say blasphemy shouldn't be prohibited.

    "We made fun of Islam, we made fun of Hinduism, we made fun of Christianity with intent to be blasphemous on purpose to make a point" about a proposed anti-blasphemy initiative at the United Nations, Scott said. "It's not done with malice or intent to offend. But anytime you criticize religion or poke fun at what atheists would call the sillier parts of religion, you're going to offend somebody. There's just no way around that."
    I hope this article inspires everyone to write to their Republican congressman TODAY, and demand laws that make the practice of atheism a criminal offense. Praise Jesus!
    Who Will Jesus Damn?

    Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

    Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

    Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!
  • Mrs. Mary Whitford
    Ladies of Landover Senior VP
    One of the Truest Christians™ Ever
    Mama Grizzly and formerly Sister Mary Maria
    True Christian™
    • Dec 2006
    • 12414

    #2
    Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

    If anyone hasn't seen it yet, the TRUTH about atheism!

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    • Marshall
      Righteous and Patriotic
      Highest body count at the VFW
      True Christian™
      • Oct 2006
      • 3330

      #3
      Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

      That's blasphemy! What sort of low life even thinks this up?
      God bless America, the Second Amendment and the Constitution. God bless the United States Marine Corps and all who fight for Jesus in third world cess pools. God bless the GOP and all they stand for, Truth, Honesty and the American people. God bless Landover Baptist Church and all True Christians™ the world over. Curses to our Muslim President, his failure is our Salvation.

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      • Oakland "Reb" Griner
        True Christian™
        True Christian™
        • Jun 2009
        • 2241

        #4
        Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

        This is disturbing, and also raises a concern.

        If an individual is baptized in an extremely false religion (I am definitely thinking of Mormonism here) do we, as Landover Baptists, acknowledge the individual to have been baptized ??

        (I note the RCC has examined Mormon baptism and declared they have no idea what the Mormons are trying to accomplish when they baptize someone. I understand when sinners of various stripes argue amongst themselves about theological issues it can be comical, but in the case of Mormon baptism, I don't know what in the blue blazers they are trying to do either. Is it a definitely disordered rite when the Mormons do it, and is it yet another proof of the vile blasphemy that is the Mormon "faith" ??)
        Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are unGodly among them of all their unGodly deeds which they have unGodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which unGodly sinners have spoken against him.

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        • Nobar King
          Municipal Code Archivist - Deuteronomy 28:58
          Christ's Guardian
          True Christian™
          • Sep 2007
          • 23748

          #5
          Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

          This is just another way for atheists to mock God. It's probably one of those FSM cults, considering the use of peanut butter and crackers.
          May you be a blessing to every life you touch.

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          • Bobby-Joe
            Landover Security Superviser
            Asset Loss Prevention and Personal Security Expert
            NOT angry and positively NOT Gay
            True Christian™
            • Sep 2006
            • 18405

            #6
            Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

            Originally posted by Marshall View Post
            That's blasphemy! What sort of low life even thinks this up?
            Athiests Brother Marshall, God hating baby eating atheists. And as we here at Landover know all too well atheists will stop at nothing to mock Christians.

            If there is a God, which I am sure there is, atheists will pay for their sins dearly.

            Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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            • Voice of Depravity
              Unsaved trash, satan's favorite party ewe
              • Jul 2009
              • 27

              #7
              Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

              This is absolute madness! One should never turn into Atheism, each and everyone should rise up and swear their loyalty to The One True Lord and Savior Satan! The Allmighty Demon that shall sweep over the known world, BURNING christian churchses to the ground, SLAUGHTERING EACH AND EVERY MISFAITHFUL! Soon... SOON SHALL HE RISE, AND FEAST ON THE FLESH OF THE VIRGIN!
              "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" -- 2 John 1:9-11

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              • Bobby-Joe
                Landover Security Superviser
                Asset Loss Prevention and Personal Security Expert
                NOT angry and positively NOT Gay
                True Christian™
                • Sep 2006
                • 18405

                #8
                Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

                Originally posted by Voice of Reason View Post
                This is absolute madness! One should never turn into Atheism, each and everyone should rise up and swear their loyalty to The One True Lord and Savior Satan! The Allmighty Demon that shall sweep over the known world, BURNING christian churchses to the ground, SLAUGHTERING EACH AND EVERY MISFAITHFUL! Soon... SOON SHALL HE RISE, AND FEAST ON THE FLESH OF THE VIRGIN!
                Okay, one strike for you little boy.

                Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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                • Marshall
                  Righteous and Patriotic
                  Highest body count at the VFW
                  True Christian™
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3330

                  #9
                  Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

                  What makes them think that a silly little ritual will undo something as serious as a Baptism? Once the Pastor dunks you...you're dunked for life and that's serious business. That water dries you belong to Jesus so using a hairdryer years after the fact only red flags your soul in the Holy Book of Life.
                  Atheists are so dumb, makes me sick.
                  God bless America, the Second Amendment and the Constitution. God bless the United States Marine Corps and all who fight for Jesus in third world cess pools. God bless the GOP and all they stand for, Truth, Honesty and the American people. God bless Landover Baptist Church and all True Christians™ the world over. Curses to our Muslim President, his failure is our Salvation.

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                  • Rev. M. Rodimer
                    Honorary True Christian™
                    Forum Member
                    • May 2008
                    • 13996

                    #10
                    Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

                    Originally posted by Voice of Reason View Post
                    This is absolute madness! One should never turn into Atheism, each and everyone should rise up and swear their loyalty to The One True Lord and Savior Satan! The Allmighty Demon that shall sweep over the known world, BURNING christian churchses to the ground, SLAUGHTERING EACH AND EVERY MISFAITHFUL! Soon... SOON SHALL HE RISE, AND FEAST ON THE FLESH OF THE VIRGIN!
                    Um, so you think that Satan is into 2,000-year-old Jewess Jerky?

                    I imagine there are better things to eat.
                    Bible boring? Nonsense!
                    Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                    You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                    • Pastor Isaac Peters
                      Senior Pastor
                      Ex-liberal; converted to True Christianity™
                      Always Biblically correct
                      True Christian™
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 10639

                      #11
                      Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

                      Originally posted by Metatron13 View Post
                      If an individual is baptized in an extremely false religion (I am definitely thinking of Mormonism here) do we, as Landover Baptists, acknowledge the individual to have been baptized ??
                      No. We believe in believers' baptism, as taught in Scripture:

                      Acts 8:36-38: And as they went on [their] way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, [here is] water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

                      Members of bizarre cults like Mor(m)onism by definition believe in false doctrines; therefore, their baptisms are also false.
                      This church is dedicated to preaching True Christianity™ and the King James Bible exactly as they are, with no alterations to make them more politically correct for modern liberals. If you think that we've misquoted or twisted Scripture or quoted any verse out of context, please explain in detail how we've done so. Otherwise, if what you read on this site offends you, then you're offended by Almighty God and His Word, not by us.

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                      • Oakland "Reb" Griner
                        True Christian™
                        True Christian™
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 2241

                        #12
                        Re: De-Baptism: The Newest Atheist Threat

                        Thank you Pastor Peters.

                        I was pretty sure that would be the answer. Their false doctrines sully all aspects of their perditious lives.
                        Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are unGodly among them of all their unGodly deeds which they have unGodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which unGodly sinners have spoken against him.

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