[Reykjavik]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

It is obvious from all your posts that you have never read the Bible. Then you come here and expect us to bend over backwards to explain the Book of God to you because you are too lazy to read it first yourself? We get a lot of this and we are are sick of it. Imagine if you will, a little child. This child will not lift a pinky. All this whinny baby does is incesstiantly ask "Why", ignoring or forgetting that last time he asked and it was explained.

Why do these idiots come on a CHRISTAN website, refuse the read the FAQs and wonder why we could care less about them. They simply fail to realize........ wait for it........ they have demonstrated they could care less about us and like little babies, want to be the center of the universe and have us answer a question when we know them from, well, Adam.

I will just take that as a no, you aren't going to refute my statement.

You assume that I have never read the bible, and although I haven't read it cover to cover, I have studied it.

What I am asking for is quite simply: What convinced you that the Bible is the word of God?

Anyone can write a book. It takes a little talent to convince people it is a holy book. It takes a lot of talent to convince people that it is The Holy Book. I am still not convinced that the Bible is a holy book. You tell me to read the bible, and expect it to explain everything, including its own veracity. King James could have easily created his own Bible to suit his own goals, at the time, very few people actually knew anything about the Bible, leaving it wide open for him to do as he pleased.

Do you believe that what is written in Darwin's 'The Origin of Species' is true? He has more evidence than the Bible.

[Nobar King]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

This is no place to be comparing Darwin with the Work of the Lord.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

Do you believe that what is written in Darwin's 'The Origin of Species' is true? He has more evidence than the Bible.

First of all, the title is "On the Origin of Species". We don't talk about the "James Version" now do we?

And of course he has no proof. Needing gazillions of years to prove that "species or survive because they are better at it than other species" is circular logic at best.

"Yo, you survived?"
"Aye"
"Why, the other one got snuffed?"
"Coz I'm better at surviving, d'oh!"
"Why are you better?"
"Coz I'm better! If not, the other guy would have survived."

Great logic.

Secondly, why on earth do you want to compare a Holy Book with a book that has been refuted thousands of times?

[Reykjavik]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

This is no place to be comparing Darwin with the Work of the Lord.

I did not compare Darwin to the Bible. I pointed out that you (correct me if I am wrong) don't believe what is in Darwin's book. You don't hold it to be holy or valid. I am comparing your viewpoint on a book (I didn't have any particular reason for choosing that one) to most non-Christians viewpoint of the Bible.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

Darwin is merely a man who wrote a book. Jackie Collins is a woman who wrote a book. Not much of a difference, both are works of fiction.

God is not a man, He produced the Bible.

[Reykjavik]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

First of all, the title is "On the Origin of Species". We don't talk about the "James Version" now do we?

And of course he has no proof. Needing gazillions of years to prove that "species or survive because they are better at it than other species" is circular logic at best.

"Yo, you survived?"
"Aye"
"Why, the other one got snuffed?"
"Coz I'm better at surviving, d'oh!"
"Why are you better?"
"Coz I'm better! If not, the other guy would have survived."

Great logic.

Secondly, why on earth do you want to compare a Holy Book with a book that has been refuted thousands of times?

Peppered moths in England have evolved over a short period of a time to adapt to the changing environment. Drug resistant bacteria are another example of evolution.

Also, I never said that On the Origin of Species is correct, I just said that it has more evidence backing it up than the Bible.

Thank you for correcting the title, but don't try to use that as a point against me, minor mistakes like that are completely irrelevant.

[Reykjavik]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

Darwin is merely a man who wrote a book. Jackie Collins is a woman who wrote a book. Not much of a difference, both are works of fiction.

God is not a man, He produced the Bible.

Men wrote the Bible. You have yet to even try to convince me that God had anything to do with it. You stated it as a fact, but with no evidence of its truth.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

Peppered moths in England have evolved over a short period of a time to adapt to the changing environment.

Friend, I'm totally familiar with the case of the Biston Bistularia. So, did the moth change into something different? A rat perhaps? An aardvark? No it didn't, it just got a bit dirty from all the coal dust around Sheffield.

Also, I never said that On the Origin of Species is correct, I just said that it has more evidence backing it up than the Bible.

So you are comparing a book you KNOW has flaws (together with the rest of the so called "secular scientists") with the Holy Word. My goodness.

Thank you for correcting the title, but don't try to use that as a point against me, minor mistakes like that are completely irrelevant.

No they are not, and you are assuming way too much. I'm pointing out to you that we may be more familiar with Darwin's work than you are with the Lord's work. Minor mistakes add up.

You seem to think that hardened Christians like us are plain stupid. Just shout DARWIN, and we are supposed to go "huh? Damn, they had us". Am I right?

BTW, I'm pretty sure you haven't even read Darwin from cover to cover either. We have, as we have to know our enemy.

And you ignored my circular logic argument, which is not a minor one at all.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

Men wrote the Bible. You have yet to even try to convince me that God had anything to do with it. You stated it as a fact, but with no evidence of its truth.

God wrote the Bible, man put it on paper for him. You honestly think God has the time to sit down and write? You are funny! He spoke, and man wrote down his words.

I do not need to convince you. I stated the facts, you chose to ignore them. I know, you do not. Simple as that.

[Reykjavik]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

We are both being a little bit hypocritical here, and completely ignoring each others arguments.

Your circular logic argument is a straw man fallacy, Evolution is based on the observation of fossil records, and other similar observations. More desirable traits prevail. Diversity arises because what is desirable in one area is not desirable in another, and there are multiple ways to adapt to a given environment.

Aside from that fact that evolution isn't based on circular logic, even if it was, your argument missed the point. My point is, that you do not believe that what Darwin wrote is true, but you do believe that what King James translated is true, even though there is a long history of people contorting 'holy' texts to fit there own desires, and nothing that shows that King James was any different.

[Reykjavik]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

God wrote the Bible, man put it on paper for him. You honestly think God has the time to sit down and write? You are funny! He spoke, and man wrote down his words.

I do not need to convince you. I stated the facts, you chose to ignore them. I know, you do not. Simple as that.

Do you believe that god is omnipotent?


If he is, he can easily write it down.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

We are both being a little bit hypocritical here, and completely ignoring each others arguments.

Excuse me? Can you point out which part of my posts is hypocritical?

Your circular logic argument is a straw man fallacy, Evolution is based on the observation of fossil records, and other similar observations.

Wait, are you telling me Darwin knew about fossils, DNA, genetics even? He just stole some schtick from his uncle, that's all.

Have you ever seen/witnessed one species evolve into another one?

Apart from that, you are one of the 99% atheists that seem to confuse so called "evilition" with "the beginning of life on earth" or even "the Big Bang" (the last one being coined first by a Belgican priest, no less. )

More desirable traits prevail.

Wrong again. Apart from defining "desirable" - which is a qualifying and not a descriptive statement BTW - the evolution theory is not about "desirable" or even about "growing more complex". Actually, maybe - according to your religion - the only thing that will be left soon are rats and virusses. WHERE'S THE LOVE IN ALL THAT?

Diversity arises because what is desirable in one area is not desirable in another, and there are multiple ways to adapt to a given environment.

Pretty vague, don't you think? "Stuff that's good there, but not here, yeah: evolution!"

My point is, that you do not believe that what Darwin wrote is true, but you do believe that what King James translated is true

Writing <> translation. King James had the Textus Receptus to fall back on, after false Christians had been telling lies for 15 centuries. And apart from that, he was obviously inspired by the Lord Himself.

even though there is a long history of people contorting 'holy' texts to fit there own desires, and nothing that shows that King James was any different.

Friend, half of our website is dedicated to rebuke people contorting "holy" (you should be infracted for that, I wrote Darwin with a captital D didn't I? ) text to fit their own desires.

Yes, there are many false bibles (no capital) out there, but we True Christians believe that King James was directly inspired by God. Who are you - with so little knowledge - to prove us wrong?

Now, I'll ask again: did you, or did you not read Darwin? We already know your vague relation to the Bible, so it's a simple question to answer.

[Reykjavik]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

You are hypocritical in berating me for ignoring your argument.

I am not an expert on Darwin.

I am not an expert on the Bible.

I do not need to read either of them to understand that they might not be valid. I provided a few cases that support the idea of evolution, although not conclusive, you have not provided any evidence for the veracity of the Bible. We agree that there are countless false holy texts, that were either created specifically to deceive, created with good intent, but still false, or contorted from something real.

You say the the KJV1611 Bible is the only true English translation of the only true Holy Text, but the only evidence you have of the original being true is that God wrote it, and the only evidence that you have of God writing it is that the Bible says so.

I have not said that I have read On the Origins of Species, and the content of the book doesn't matter. One of the biggest differences between it and the Bible is that Christians believe the Bible to be true, while most Atheists believe that what Darwin said is true.

You have not proved the Bible to be true, and I am starting to think that you are unable to. You say that translating is not the same as writing, you are correct, but the potential for corruption is the same. King James could have changed things if he wanted to, just as Darwin could have wrote whatever he wanted. The key to finding truth is to read what is written, understand it, and then look for evidence to determine whether or not it is true. I don't have much evidence for or against Christianity being true, but neither do you.

I hope you aren't under the impression that I am trying to prove anything, in fact, I am arguing quite the opposite, I think that it is practically impossible to prove anything conclusively, beyond basic existence.

You still haven't answered the question that is the topic of this thread, can you prove that your beliefs are true?

[Nobar King]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

I suspect that this loser is going to have trouble believing ANYTHING.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

.................................................. ..A whole lot of words then posdter himself does not belive in................................................ ..................... I think that it is practically impossible to prove anything conclusively, beyond basic existence.

You still haven't answered the question that is the topic of this thread, can you prove that your beliefs are true?

Based on the highlighted text, my Brother Nobar has hit the proverbial nail. I think if God Himself were to speak the our communist friend, he would still doubt His existence. He would agree, that a being of some sort spoke, but that is as far as he'd go. Nutcase