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  • Reykjavik
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    • Jul 2009
    • 24

    #1

    Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

    I most certainly cannot.

    The best way to classify my beliefs would be Deism. I believe that God exists, but not much beyond that.

    The reason I have for believing that, is that all of the scientific evidence that I have seen or heard of, points to our universe being completely unaffected by God, and us existing because of Evolution, the universe existing because of the big bang, etc.

    However, matter and energy don't come out of nowhere, things don't spontaneously begin to exist. At least nothing in our known universe can. That means that something (or someone) outside of our universe has to have that power. That someone is God, and is in my opinion, beyond classification as being someone or something.

    However, I cannot really prove that this is true, because it is impossible to even prove that what I see, hear, taste, feel, or smell is real. I assume that my senses are correct, but there is still the chance that there is some scientific conspiracy, or that God exists exactly as described in the King James Bible, and did create the earth just over 6000 years ago, and did it so it appeared that it was billions of years old. It wouldn't be to tough for an omnipotent god to do that.

    However, my belief makes the most sense, and with that I can live my life doing the best that I can, for myself as well as other people.

    How have you come to your conclusion (or not come to a conclusion) about your beliefs?
  • Nobar King
    Municipal Code Archivist - Deuteronomy 28:58
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    True Christian™
    • Sep 2007
    • 23748

    #2
    Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

    God wrote it in the Bible.
    May you be a blessing to every life you touch.

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    • Reykjavik
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      • Jul 2009
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      #3
      Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

      Originally posted by Nobar King View Post
      God wrote it in the Bible.
      But how do you know that it was God who wrote the bible?

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      • James Hutchins
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        Just a Regular Nice Guy
         
        • Jun 2009
        • 29442

        #4
        Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

        Originally posted by Reykjavik View Post
        But how do you know that it was God who wrote the bible?
        Because He said so and God does not lie.
        Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
        Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
        Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
        Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
        Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
        Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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        • Reykjavik
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          • Jul 2009
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          #5
          Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

          Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
          Because He said so and God does not lie.
          do you have any documentation of him saying so, other than the Bible?

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          • Talitha
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            • Oct 2025
            • 15118

            #6
            Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

            Originally posted by Reykjavik View Post
            do you have any documentation of him saying so, other than the Bible?
            What better proof is there than a book written by God?
            We don't need any other proof.

            Sister Talitha

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            being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise!...Mark 5:41



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            • James Hutchins
              True Christian™
              Just a Regular Nice Guy
               
              • Jun 2009
              • 29442

              #7
              Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

              Originally posted by Reykjavik View Post
              do you have any documentation of him saying so, other than the Bible?
              You really hate God, don't you.

              His word, on paper is not good enough for you. I would wager, if I continue to coddle you and provide more proof, that it would be never enough. You would continually say "But how do I know if that is true?".

              Let me put it this way. How do I know you exist? I see your words on my computer monitor. How do I know you made them? How do I know you are not just some computer program written by an annoying 13 year old obsessed gamer?
              Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
              Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
              Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
              Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
              Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
              Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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              • Reykjavik
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                #8
                Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

                Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
                You really hate God, don't you.

                His word, on paper is not good enough for you. I would wager, if I continue to coddle you and provide more proof, that it would be never enough. You would continually say "But how do I know if that is true?".

                Let me put it this way. How do I know you exist? I see your words on my computer monitor. How do I know you made them? How do I know you are not just some computer program written by an annoying 13 year old obsessed gamer?
                True, I could constantly demand more proof, but I am not asking for much, just something beyond the circular logic of the Bible saying that God wrote the bible, therefore because God wrote the Bible it is true. If you can't see the problem with that logic, I feel no sympathy for you if you are easily fooled into believing some sort of foolish nonsense.

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                • Bobby-Joe
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                  • Sep 2006
                  • 18405

                  #9
                  Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

                  Originally posted by Reykjavik View Post
                  True, I could constantly demand more proof, but I am not asking for much, just something beyond the circular logic of the Bible saying that God wrote the bible, therefore because God wrote the Bible it is true. If you can't see the problem with that logic, I feel no sympathy for you if you are easily fooled into believing some sort of foolish nonsense.
                  Friend,
                  God is described as perfect.

                  The Bible is the perfect source of all knowledge and morality.

                  God wrote The Bible

                  Therefor God exists.
                  There is nothing circular in that reasoning.

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                  • Pastor Ezekiel
                    Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
                     
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 78552

                    #10
                    Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

                    Originally posted by Reykjavik View Post
                    True, I could constantly demand more proof, but I am not asking for much, just something beyond the circular logic of the Bible saying that God wrote the bible, therefore because God wrote the Bible it is true. If you can't see the problem with that logic, I feel no sympathy for you if you are easily fooled into believing some sort of foolish nonsense.
                    If you can't understand Brother BJ's excellent Christian logic, then perhaps THIS Chick Tract will help open your heart to Jesus.
                    Who Will Jesus Damn?

                    Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                    Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                    • Reykjavik
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                      • Jul 2009
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                      #11
                      Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

                      Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                      If you can't understand Brother BJ's excellent Christian logic, then perhaps THIS Chick Tract will help open your heart to Jesus.
                      How is this relevant? it is a nice story of why you think every other 'Bible' is wrong. You did not provide any evidence saying that yours was right. In fact, you pointed out very clearly that false holy texts are very common, and many are held as legitimate by large groups of people, and that doesn't help your case any.

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                      • Miss April
                        Landover's Version of Carrie Prejean
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                        • Apr 2009
                        • 685

                        #12
                        Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

                        Atheist Troll Why are you here? If you want Proof Our Great beliefs are True Then Read the King James Bible Its the only Truth

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                        • agnostic calf
                          Confirmed Enemy of God
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 30

                          #13
                          Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

                          Im am here and not an athiest..just looking for answers..not insults

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                          • Miss April
                            Landover's Version of Carrie Prejean
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                            • Apr 2009
                            • 685

                            #14
                            Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

                            Originally posted by agnostic alf View Post
                            Im am here and not an athiest..just looking for answers..not insults
                            I see that your here Fool But Agnostic i talking to Reykjavik i think he is a athiest idiot that needs the Great Lord Jesus very soon But what kind of answers are you looking for? I hope its about Jesus maybe i can help Feel free to ask me anything

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                            • agnostic calf
                              Confirmed Enemy of God
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 30

                              #15
                              Re: Can you prove that your beliefs are true?

                              Originally posted by Miss April View Post
                              I see that your here Fool But Agnostic i talking to Reykjavik i think he is a athiest idiot that needs the Great Lord Jesus very soon But what kind of answers are you looking for? I hope its about Jesus maybe i can help Feel free to ask me anything
                              Yes Miss April, I have many questions, but I will not bombard you with them all in a short time...I'd rather you think about your response.
                              I am not a 'troll'..just a man searching for answers and I will not argue..just disguss. I am not beligerent. I do find some hyprocacy here that maybe you can clear up..Its like this..I believe in free thinking as agnostics do but we do not count out the fact there may be a God.
                              This is what i'm looking for. I also believe I can profit from a wise man, (not monetarily) but we all need to learn. And finally, a wise man is not unquestionable

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