[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

Oh, and in response to Australia being a hellbound country, I'm sure you'll be glad to know that the gothic subculture is thriving here and there are also annual 'zombie shuffles' (where people dress up as zombie and walk around the city like that).

Really?
I've never heard of a zombie shuffle and I'd like to think I'm pretty up-to-date on events in Aus.

That explains a lot. May the Good Lord preserve us! Australia is the only country in the world where all the adult males are criminal and all the women moles.

Eno!
That is uncalled for.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

Well I googled the words "Furry Costume Play" this came up. So it is still harmless Rose?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

And just why were you googling 'Furry constume play', BJ?

*Edit - ok, I googled that under images and no such thing came up! What were you really looking at, BJ??*

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

And just why were you googling 'Furry constume play', BJ?

*Edit - ok, I googled that under images and no such thing came up! What were you really looking at, BJ??*

Because you do not get the Google Carnivore plugin like Freehold On Line subscribers do.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

Because you do not get the Google Carnivore plugin like Freehold On Line subscribers do.

I see.

[Alfreda]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

STOP!!!

Alright, now then. A furrie is a person who likes humanoid looking animals, here is an example.

[IMG]file:///K:/Pictures/F/cariboublue.jpg[/IMG]

I will also provide a list of different types of Furs and there beliefs.

What Is Furry?

Well now, There's a difficult and hotly debated question, indeed! And the answer varies widely, furry to furry. That's why at Furrie Haven, we accept any and all definitions of "furry" as all one big, furry phenomenon, as a way of unifying and getting rid of a lot of the bickering over "the" definition of furry that goes on. Here, we'll look at the different definitions of furry, as I see them anyway. And I'm no expert, I might add, so be kind. And we'll look at how they affect each other.

The Furry Fandom:

The fandom was started in the late 1970s by people who just simply had a love of furry characters (not necessarily That kind) and wanted to come together to discuss and enjoy them among friends. It can be likened to the Star Trek fandom or similar. Some of the fandom furs had hopes of elevating the status of the furry animal character in modern society to something that could be widely enjoyed and appreciated by adults as well as children, instead of being thought of as something purile and merely for the entertainment of children. They hoped to bring a realness and sophistication to the world of the anthropomorph. (I totally agree with them. it often irks me that there are close to no furry animated films or stories made that adults can truely enjoy, nor much respect for the worlds of animals themselves, to say nothing of anthropomorphic characters. ) There was sex to it as well, but only in the same proportion as reflected by society in general, as part of the realism of the furry characters. But this would soon change.

Yiffy Furs:

Well, humans like sex. Animals like sex. Why wouldn't furry animal characters like sex, right? No arguement here. but some time shortly after the fandom was established, Yiff, (or furry sex, as if you didn't know!) started to become a very prominant part of the fandom. In fact, some furs began to care about nothing else other than yiff, turning it into a sex-based fandom, or destroying the fandom altogether in the eyes of some furs, who remain very bitter about it to this day, some of which began to call themselves "burned furs" and distance themselves from the fandom. This is the beginning of a deep seeded dissonance in furry which, unfortunately still exists today. Of course the disproportionate intrest in yiff was a huge turn-off to mainstream society, and any hope of the fandom revolutionizing the image of the furry animal character in popular culture as something more universal was all but lost.

Lifestyle:

For some yiffy furs, furry has become a way of life, similar perhaps in some ways to the S&M lifestyle I suppose, but more cuddly. Do you own a fursuit? Do you like to have "fursuiter sex"? Are you a pet? Like to skritch with friends or jump in a big furpile together? Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with this highly social aspect of furry to comment on it in any detail. I still hope to get my first fursuit. A downside of this aspect of furry seems to be that some harmful views on sexual behavior are accepted, such as pedophilia for example. This can be quite a murky topic and another cause for furry in-fighting. My rule about what's sexually acceptable is simply whether or not it truely harms anyone. Scat for example, I find disgusting, but it doesn't really harm anyone so I can't rightfully see being against it. In all, I think acceptance of harmless sexual diversity is a good and natural thing. Animals have no sexual inhibitions, afterall. They feel whatever they feel and basically, it's all good. As I see it, there's no reason for humans to feel any differently about it. and with our big, complicated (if underused) brains, we can dream of the most beautiful, strange and exotic dreams. We humans have created such an incredible Diversity in all things. Think of the different varieties of food that exist! You could eat a different dish every evening for a year! Or the music, or styles of clothing, or even language. I see no reason at all to stifle harmless sexual diversity, but others may disagree, and they have every right as long as they dont try to impress their tastes or distastes onto others. This really is a very murky part of furriness, isn't it folks? It should be mentioned also, that not all furs who enjoy fursuits, skritching, and the like are necessarily yiffy furs. Some simply enjoy furry-living in a more general sense. Wearing a fursuit can simply be fun, or it can be a good way of getting in touch with your inner animal fursona.

Aesthetic:

(late addition. I'll get to it...eventually...I hope.)

Identity:

So, what's your fursona? Maybe you're a wolf. Or a feline. Maybe a skunk, or a dinosaur, or a falcon, iguana, dolphin, aardvark, echidna, or any other animal type that speaks to you or you identify with. Identity is a very complicated aspect of furry. Some furs simply adopt a fursona for fun and to roleplay, some feel that a certain animal describes their own personality, some have a spiritual connection to their animal type, and some believe they were born with the spirit of an animal. There are a lot of reasons why furs might feel a connection to, and even exhibit characteristics of an animal type which they feel close to, from the idea of spirit and birth totems, which we'll discuss later, to an individual's psychosexual development, or social reasons as well. A small child's psychosexual development is the time in which the sexual identity forms which they will exhibit later in life. If this rather delicate process is disturbed in some way, it's possible to "imprint" on something sexually. For example, sometimes, especially male children will sort of m**tur**t without being aware of what they're doing. Their parent may see this and spank them for it, and this association may lead them to have a spanking fetish in their adult life. So this imprinting is a possible reason for one to identify sexually with animal characters. Also, small children do all their really fundamental social learning in the first six years or so of life. If a child remains in a socially bereft environment during this part of life, they may begin to imprint socially on furry characters seen in cartoons as well, or to imprint on a familiar household pet, taking on it's characteristics. Finding one's self unable to integrate into the blinding and ever changing complexities of human society is another factor. The previous things mentioned can already get in the way of a child being able to "fit in", and unfortunately, humans have an unpleasant habit of attacking anything they see as strange, which can make it all much worse for a young person already having problems. This rejection and even hostility from one's would-be peers can cause a lack of any ability to relate to humans, or to even see one's self as human. Humans dont make it easy. Sometimes I worry that with all the obsession with the amorphous slang phrases, fashions, pop culture topics and myriad other kalidoscopic driftings which comprise our modern culture, we may be taking up so much brainspace just interacting socially and "staying current", that there's little room for anything else. So the society we live in guides our evolutionary path now instead of nature? The human evolutionary specializations are intelligence, and the ability to manipulate objects, or build and create. Does our society value these things more or less than social mores, whatever they may be from one month to the next. I see it as no wonder that, being rejected from society, many furs would in turn reject society and turn to the constancy of nature, at least to some degree, in some form or other. Then there's the phenomenon known as inherited memory. Many people believe in reincarnation, or the experience of having lived past lives. It's a major part of Buddhist belief, for example. I believe this is evidence which may back up the theory of inhereted memory. Scientists believe that it may be possible that we can "remember" experiences of our ancestors on some level as well as our own experiences. This would support these common experiences of having lived past lives. Instinct in fact, is tied closely to memory, and if that's the case, it's not really such a stretch that we may be able to recall things from our ancestral past in some form or other. Back into the past times when man lived closely with animals and held much greater respect for them than today, sometimes even seeing them as equals, or even as far back as before we ourselves were human. Of course, humans didn't evolve from wolves or felines, but they did evolve from early, raccoon-like mammals, reptiles, fish, on back billions of years. Every creature is born with instincts honed by the evolutionary path tread by their ancestors, which basically boils down to inhereted memory. Sometimes personality traits can even seemingly be inherited from our parents. How often have you heard something like "He's got his father's hot temper."? So it's no wonder if some of us may feel a closeness to animals. We really aren't so different from them as all that anyway. In fact, we share our evolutionary ancestry with them. But that's just a theory and shouldn't be taken as fact or anything. I just find it an intresting avenue of speculation.

Spirituality:

The vast majority of the old, so-called pagan religions displayed a deep respect for nature and for animals and animal spirits. In fact, many of them worshipped some anthropomorphic deities or told stories involving anthropomorphic figures. The ancient Egyptians believed that, in death, the spirit could transform at will into the form of any animal. Some of these religions saw no difference between animals and humans, and literally called them brother. And seeing animals as equals to humans, they believed that animals, and nature itself by extension, has a great deal of wisdom to share with us. Even today, animal characters still bring wisdom to children in the diluted form of edjucational programming and books. Perhaps this is the last vestige in our culture of the reverence for the wisdom of animals which once existed. Virtually all Native American peoples share the tradition of birth totems and spirit totems, or animal spirits which guide us on our lifepath. If you feel a closeness to any particular animal, it may be your animal spirit totem calling to you. You may discover that an animal you seem to have a natural affinity for is actually one of your birth totems, or perhaps a certain animal seems to be there for you as a sign, or may visit you in dreams, giving you strength, helping you along on your lifepath. If so, then this may be your spirit totem. I think sometimes, some of us are in such need of strength to face the miseries of life, that we may walk so closely to our spirit helper as to become like them. Or perhaps, our need of strength and guidance is so great that the animal spirit may give to us a part of itself, equipping us to survive.

Culture:

Ancient tradition is rich with legends and stories of animals becoming human, humans becoming animals, animals that speak, humans speaking to animals, and beings who are part human and part animal. This is true in every part of the world. "Furry", for lack of a better word, has been with us since the dawn of recorded history, spanning every aspect of life, from the spiritual to the sexual, and every point in between. Everyone on the face of the earth can think of an animal or animal character that means something deeply signifigant to them if they think about it. Why is this? When we lived closer to nature in the past, we shared our world with animals, and now, even though we have unfortunately distanced ourselves from nature, and in many cases foolishly don't even respect it any more, we seem to surround ourselves with animal characters, mascots, cartoons, and we keep pets to keep us company. It's almost as if we miss our connection to the worlds of animals, or that we keep it alive in some small way through these things. We create and we tell old stories about animals to our children, but do we really think about why? Is it simply because children love animal characters? Why is that? Is it really true that we dont love them as well, but in their childish package, we must reject them in the name of "growing up"? Or is it that we have made these things into something childish, just as we have taken the old, pagan customs of Easter and Halloween and turned them into games for children? Perhaps there is great good in the worlds of animals that has been lost, and is crying out to be reclaimed.

Now I have to tell you that I AM a Furrie and a I don't understand why we cant all just get along.
Furie conventions are just like Star Wars or Star Trek conventions. We dress the part and go to have fun, thats it. If they have sex they do it in there hotel rooms where we don't have to see it.

Alfreda

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

Now I have to tell you that I AM a Furrie and a I don't understand why we cant all just get along.
Furie conventions are just like Star Wars or Star Trek conventions. We dress the part and go to have fun, thats it. If they have sex they do it in there hotel rooms where we don't have to see it.

Alfreda

Well, I guess each to their own, but every time I think of furries, the song 'discovery channel' by the bloodhound gang comes to mind.
I'm sorry, but as far as fetishes go, I find that one rather gigglesome.
But I have no problem with furries just so long as none of them try and have sex with real animals.
If they did, then I'd have a problem with them.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

Blah blah sick depravity blah blah anti-God nonsense blah blah.

Typical lieberal nonsense. "If it feels good, do it!" Even if it means worshipping pictures of unnatural abominations. If God had meant for there to be human/animal hybrids, don't you think He would have created them? And all that ridiculous blathering about carnal relationships being hunky-dory if they don't hurt anyone is not just wrong, but dangerously wrong!
"But it doesn't hurt anyone!" WRONG! It hurts those who are doomed to Hell because they accepted such anti-Biblical lies! God put forth very specific rules as to what's acceptable and what not when it comes to sex (one man, one woman in the bonds of marriage), and I don't recall ever seeing "Dress up like the beasts of the field" in the Bible.
Sick, sick, sick. I will pray for you.

[hate is bad]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

Well, I guess each to their own, but every time I think of furries, the song 'discovery channel' by the bloodhound gang comes to mind.
I'm sorry, but as far as fetishes go, I find that one rather gigglesome.
But I have no problem with furries just so long as none of them try and have sex with real animals.
If they did, then I'd have a problem with them.

lol i do the same thing in my head with the song and the word furries.

[Alfreda]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

Well, I guess each to their own, but every time I think of furries, the song 'discovery channel' by the bloodhound gang comes to mind.
I'm sorry, but as far as fetishes go, I find that one rather gigglesome.
But I have no problem with furries just so long as none of them try and have sex with real animals.
If they did, then I'd have a problem with them.

No we don't have any thing to do with animal ****ing. Thats beatseality and we think thats rape.

thats funny
"the discovery channel by the bloodhound gang comes to mind." I don't like that song too much, come to think, I haven't herd it in about 5 years.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

No we don't have any thing to do with animal ****ing. Thats beatseality and we think thats rape.

Yup, I know you guys don't *love* real animals that way.

thats funny
"the discovery channel by the bloodhound gang comes to mind." I don't like that song too much, come to think, I haven't herd it in about 5 years.

Have you seen the video clip?
Take a look at it, and you'll see what I mean about reminding one of furries...

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

No we don't have any thing to do with animal ****ing. Thats beatseality and we think thats rape.

So fornicating with a raccoon is off-limits, but fornicating with a deranged Japanee goth who aspires to fly an aeroplane into his high school and thinks he's a raccoon is fine and dandy? You people are weird.

[neko-lear]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

I think you all are missing the differance between Furries as art and Fur Suiters.

As art they are utterly harmless, nothing more than wanting to draw yourself as your favorite animal. Is that so different than someone drawing themselves as anything else they want to?

Fur Suiters on the other hand tend to be closer to the sexual side but in all honesty most the ones i've met are no more dangerous than cosplayers.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

I think you all are missing the differance between Furries as art and Fur Suiters.

As art they are utterly harmless, nothing more than wanting to draw yourself as your favorite animal. Is that so different than someone drawing themselves as anything else they want to?

Fur Suiters on the other hand tend to be closer to the sexual side but in all honesty most the ones i've met are no more dangerous than cosplayers.

I think you're missing the point that there is something very wrong with the head of any grown adult who still thinks they're a raccoon ballerina princess. Especially if they're male.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Furries; the love child of Satan and anime

I think you all are missing the differance between Furries as art and Fur Suiters.

What I am not missing is what my cousin the artist tells me. He has been griping about getting numerous requests to do (cough) graphic animal on animal art form several self described furries. What is even more disturbing about these requests is there is nothing anthropomorphic about the animals they want in these images.

Anyway depravity is inherent in furry art since it is almost without exception anime based. As discussed elsewhere in this forum anime art is about the degradation of humanity. Furry is just another head of the anime hydra.