[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

please someone tell me that this is a religious bs site. i pray to the gods it is because if you believe the things you post you honestly do deserve a christian's hell.

We follow the Bible faithfully. We are no more a joke than is the Bible itself.

i have been a pagan for 13 years "wiccan" and am a high priestess. and i am here to tell you you dont have a clue what a pagan or a wiccan is and that karma is a B**** to endure. may the goddess show you mercy because i am all out.

Prove to us that this "karma" thing exists. We True Christians™ cannot be expected to accept something completely unverifiable just because it's in a millennia-old manuscript.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

omg. sad christians. not a troll at all. further, wicca is built on a compilation of pagan beliefs not satanist. you speak of christianity and then you post jokes about hunting wiccans etc who saounds more evil here or do you think your doing god's work?

You joined a Christian church's forum to insult God and His followers. I think that pretty much fits the definition of trolling.

Or, in terms you might better understand:

Obvious troll is obvious.

let them come we will not run this time for another decade no we will fight this time and the gods once more will walk amongst man.

There's only one God, with three faces. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Come on then....come to my town my front door kill me or least try too i may be a pagan and our golden rule is harm none but any you brain washed sick in the head fu ck en people come to my town its YOU who will be hunted do you simple minded inbreed idiots understand that

So that "harm none" really means "harm none who agree with me, but hunt down and kill and also insult anyone who disagrees with me"?

hey idiot you're prosecuting US yeah how do you like that I can use the same bible crap idiot

We haven't filed any charges against you or taken you to court; how are we prosecuting you?

Oh, I bet you meant "persecuting".

Let's see . . . did we join your rock-worship forum uninvited and start insulting your beliefs? Um, no.

You're the one persecuting us for our beliefs. Bigot.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

Here's some great info on Karma, Miss Castlevania:

Let's see what Karma is all about.

What is Karma?

Karma is the law that every cause has an effect, i.e., our actions have results. This simple law explains a number of things: inequality in the world, why some are born handicapped and some gifted, why some live only a short life. Karma underlines the importance of all individuals being responsible for their past and present actions. How can we test the karmic effect of our actions? The answer is summed up by looking at (1) the intention behind the action, (2) effects of the action on oneself, and (3) the effects on others.

According to the Law of Karma, people who are born blind or retarded DESERVE IT. Poor people DESERVE IT. People who die slowly and horribly from cancer DESERVE IT.

Is "karma" just a false religion's attempt to introduce the Will of God?

[Brother Helge]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

omg. sad christians. not a troll at all. further, wicca is built on a compilation of pagan beliefs not satanist. you speak of christianity and then you post jokes about hunting wiccans etc who saounds more evil here or do you think your doing god's work?

No, witchcraft is rebellion against God, and the ring leader of the rebellion is Satan.

Let's read some more in the Good Book;

Deuteronomy 18:12
"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee."

Galatians 5:19-21
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions,heresies. Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

My name is written in the Book of Life (Shout Glory!) and yours could have been too, hadn't you've been a stubborn Witch.

[sylvauria]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

apparently i have gone at this the wrong way. that was not my intent. you accuse me of threats but i have made none except for warnings to you if you ever step over the line of a satirical site to actually practicing what you published on a website. do you honestly think that is what your god wants of you...? to murder another because of their beliefs if so i pity you. you see hatred works both ways. basic psycholoy states a negative action often gets a negative reaction. how do you think a pagan is going to respond to you sense of hatred. hasnt your religion done enough in the past, crusades, burnings etc.?
we merely want to live in peace without seeing sites such as what i saw of landlover. we are not satanist. satanist believe in serving and mastoring ones own destiny by counterparting with a demon. wiccans or pagans believe in a balance and harmony of good and evil birth and rebirth tell me how can you call a person that wants this evil. killing babies we are not the aztecs or other heathen faiths. we are pagans who worship the energy in earth we want whats best for people and gaia/ earth. if this is wrong so be it, but it was my belief in the bible god says let the first one without sin be the first to cast a stone and you people are casting alot of stones. god quote sees a person for who they are as a person and their soul so if you are saying love, peace, and a balance is evil and satanic i am without words and confused.

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

Sylvauria obviously has her head buried deeply in the crotch of that foul witch Joan Quigley, and Sylvauria's brain has further withered from lack of oxygen as a result.

Funny how you have to have rocks in your head before you can worship rocks.

[Brother Helge]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

apparently i have gone at this the wrong way. that was not my intent..
...rant.... .

You do know that there is a difference between murder and death penalty, do you?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

apparently i have gone at this the wrong way. that was not my intent. you accuse me of threats but i have made none except for warnings to you if you ever step over the line of a religious site to actually practicing what you published on a website. do you honestly think that is what your god wants of you...? to murder another because of their beliefs if so i pity you.

Do you know the difference between execution and murder?

Once Palin is President, witches will be executed for rejecting God, with the full force of law.

you see hatred works both ways. basic psycholoy states a negative action often gets a negative reaction. how do you think a pagan is going to respond to you sense of hatred. hasnt your religion done enough in the past, crusades, burnings etc.?

Oh, here we go with the "burning times" myth. Want some facts?

Not only is the myth of the Burning Times false, it's disrespectful to the real victims of the witch-persecutions who were, at first, heretics and then were generally Christians unfortunate enough to be swept up in a hysteria that swept half a continent. None of the victims were Wiccan - the religion did not exist at the time. Few, if any, had any knowledge of pagan religion. Worse, Wiccans have taken up such slogans as "Never forget, never again" (originally used by Jews in reference to the Holocaust) and spout hugely exaggerated numbers in an attempt to win the Most Persecuted Group in History Award.

Nine million lives were claimed by the Burning Times
This number was first calculated by an 18th century German who used a single location over a short span of time as his sample and then multiplied it to cover the entire period of the trials across the entire continent. Unfortunately, he picked a particularly brutal incident as his sample - which is exactly why survey samples are supposed to be of significant size. The number was the made popular by Matilda Gage in the 19th century and has been repeated time and time again in an example of how even good writers can repeat stupid things. We speak out about hysteria and about how fallacy becomes accepted as fact when it's repeated often enough, yet that is exactly what we're promoting. Historians put the numbers squarely between 40,000 and 100,000, based upon trial records and taking into consideration that not all records have survived or were even taken in the first place. Is a "mere" 40,000 lives not tragic enough?

This is the heart of the More Persecuted than Thou Syndrome. If nine million of "us" were really killed, that puts us above even the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. And some people think that gives them permission to approach the rest of the world with a chip on their shoulder, because the world owes them something. It wasn't nine million, it wasn't "us," and even if it was, that is no excuse to behave badly toward those who happen to share a religion (Christianity) with the witch-hunters of four hundred years ago.

Those persecuted were Wiccans (or at least pagans), not worshippers of the Devil.
The Wiccan argument can simply be ended with the fact that Wicca didn't exist in the time of the witch-persecutions. So let's discuss instead the related argument that those persecuted were pagans, not worshippers of the Devil.
I'm always astounded by the number of people who can't seem to comprehend that those persecuted could have been neither. We are willing to claim that pagans were being wrongly accused of worshipping Satan, but we can't accept that it was simply Christians who were being wrongly accused of worshipping Satan.

The witch-trials didn't begin until more than a millennia after the founding of Christianity. If the Church found these supposed pagans to be such a threat, they sure took their time in dealing with them. Indeed, the major trial period did not occur until centuries after Europe had been Christianized.

The trials have their origins in the persecution of heresy that mostly just got way out of control, in large part because of the destabilization Europe was suffering at the time. The Hundred Years War was killing people by the thousands, as was the Black Death. People needed a scapegoat, and that scapegoat became the mythical witch.

Moreover, while religion was a factor, it was not about paganism. Catholics were accusing Protestants and Protestants were accusing Catholics. Where conflict between these two groups was more severe, witch-trials were likewise more severe. Conversely, in areas where things were more stable, especially on the religious front, the witch-hunts were far less hysterical. The strongly Catholic Spain, for example, had one of the smallest witch-hunts in western Europe.

we merely want to live in peace without seeing sites such as what i saw of landlover.

There should be a red X at the upper-right corner of your screen. Click it. Never see LandOVER again. It's like MAGIC!

we are not satanist. satanist believe in serving and mastoring ones own destiny by counterparting with a demon.

What kind of Satanists? LaVeyan Satanists don't believe in gods or demons. Luciferians worship Satan, but think that God is the evil one. Do you know anything at all about Satanism?

wiccans or pagans believe in a balance and harmony of good and evil birth and rebirth tell me how can you call a person that wants this evil. killing babies we are not the aztecs or other heathen faiths.

Maybe you need to research Paganism, too.

[sylvauria]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

so even after i post bible versus you hear only what you wish to and read only what you wish to. your more like lucifer then i am according to your bible ..."you lie with the truth of your own bible." you only recite what backs your indescresions up and ignore the new testiment of love your neigbor etc. Oh btw i was raise by a catholic mother and a presbyterian father i know the bible and of your god both ways. you preach against hate and people comming on your site and forums with distaste but yet you publicise the same on landlover baptist church why do you think the words of the bible do not pretain to you?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

so even after i post bible versus you hear only what you wish to and read only what you wish to. your more like lucifer then i am according to your bible ..."you lie with the truth of your own bible." you only recite what backs your indescresions up and ignore the new testiment of love your neigbor etc. Oh btw i was raise by a catholic mother and a presbyterian father i know the bible and of your god both ways. you preach against hate and people comming on your site and forums with distaste but yet you publicise the same on landlover baptist church why do you think the words of the bible do not pretain to you?

I didn't see you post any Bible verses. Where did you post Bible verses?

Do you know who the Bible says my neighbor is? My neighbor isn't everybody in the world. It's either those who show mercy to me, or my brothers and sisters in Christ. That's all. Not Gardnerian Wiccan teenagers who think their cult has existed tens of thousands of years.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

killing babies we are not the aztecs or other heathen faiths. we are pagans who worship the energy in earth we want whats best for people and gaia/ earth

So you admit that you are not authentic, historically accurate pagans, but are instead playgans whose ancient religion goes back only to the fifties.

so even after i post bible versus you hear only what you wish to and read only what you wish to.

If you're referring to casting the first stone, we believe in letting Scripture interpret Scripture.

1 John 5:18: We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

Oh, casting the first stone. Brother Basher explained the meaning of that story to you already, Sylvania. Did you bother to read his response?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

so even after i post bible versus you hear only what you wish to and read only what you wish to. your more like lucifer then i am according to your bible ..."you lie with the truth of your own bible." you only recite what backs your indescresions up and ignore the new testiment of love your neigbor etc. Oh btw i was raise by a catholic mother and a presbyterian father i know the bible and of your god both ways. you preach against hate and people comming on your site and forums with distaste but yet you publicise the same on landlover baptist church why do you think the words of the bible do not pretain to you?

You posted one Bible verse, out of context. I simply told you the entire story rather than taking one line out of it and ignoring the rest of it. By the way, the following quotes are ALL from the New Testament:

Galatians 5: 19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

Revelation 22:15Outside [of heaven] are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

[sylvauria]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

i see most of your versus you use are also fromt he old testiment. but in the end that does not matter. the bible was written by man not god who are you to say if its law or what man wrote to create an empire? the catholics that started it all made a creed if you were not of their faith you would loose your land or would die. to me that sounds like a conquering tactic to force a religion onto someone. the sad thing is the majorty of your ancestors were probably pagan and were forced to worship jesus/ god -- so what quirps do you have now?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: landlover, tell me its a joke.

i see most of your versus you use are also fromt he old testiment. but in the end that does not matter. the bible was written by man not god who are you to say if its law or what man wrote to create an empire? the catholics that started it all made a creed if you were not of their faith you would loose your land or would die. to me that sounds like a conquering tactic to force a religion onto someone. the sad thing is the majorty of your ancestors were probably pagan and were forced to worship jesus/ god -- so what quirps do you have now?

Brother Basher just quoted you three sources from the New Testament.

Jesus said that he came to uphold the Law, not to destroy it; thus, the Old Testament is still in full force.

The Catholics didn't start Christianity. They co-opted it and made up rituals and Mary-worship, which they stole from the Babylonians.

What exactly is a "quirp"?

Tell me, if you think the Bible was written largely by nomadic Jews so that future Christians could use it to build an "empire" and spend centuries persecuting Jews, then where do you think Wicca came from? Why is something created in the 1950s more valid?