[barton]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

But you avoided my question. Is it not like the big bang theory? least in the theory they have an idea of how it came to be.

I did not avoid your question. You don't understand the implications of God being extra-universal, creating space and time. God it timeless. No beginning or end. We are limited, He is not. He can create (obviously) and logic does not require that He have a creator.

The Big Band theory is just a theory: unproven speculation at best. The Word of God is not a theory, however. It is absolute Truth, beyond questioning.

Whereas god just appearing out of nothing and deciding just to create a endless universe is a hard concept to believe in. But like i said im not an atheist, i have my own beliefs and i accept other beliefs.

God did not appear out of nothing. Why do you say that?

But must a true christian have so much hate towards each other. How can god accept you if you can not accept each other.

True Christians™ do not hate each other. Why do you say that?

[TheBoy]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

But you avoided my question. Is it not like the big bang theory? least in the theory they have an idea of how it came to be. Whereas god just appearing out of nothing and deciding just to create a endless universe is a hard concept to believe in. But like i said im not an atheist, i have my own beliefs and i accept other beliefs. But must a true christian have so much hate towards each other. How can god accept you if you can not accept each other.

[barton]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Hey I do not mean to sound rude or anything. Im not an Atheist but until someone can provide full hard proof then i can not believe in him.

You are an atheist. Read what you just posted!

You are also a typical atheist, whining about how Christians must prove that God exists. Why? Why should we prove it to you? It is incumbent upon you to repair your own relationship with God. After all, you are the one with the soul in jeopardy.

As an analogy...

You: prove to me I need to change the oil in my car
Me: the manufacturer tells you to do so in the manual
You: manufacturer? no such entity exists!
Me: okay, you'll find out soon enough after your car breaks down.

But I pose a question to you people. If god created us, and the universe. Who created god. Is not the idea of god just appearing from nothing the same as the Big Bang Theory. Where the Universe appeared out of some simple pressure build up.

Why does God need a creator? God created the universe, therefore he exists independent of space and time. Cause and effect have no meaning in this context that we can understand. It's better for you to worry about your own soul than wonder about who made God!

REMEMBER: I do not mean to offend. I have nothing against religion. I think that everyone should have a personal faith. But I can not change mine without proof.

When people say they don't mean to offend, they usually say it because they are being offensive and know it! It matters little right now. You are caught in a tough place. You know you are doomed, yet your heart is hardened and you cannot grasp Salvation™. I almost feel sorry for you. Perhaps one day God's Grace will open your eyes.

[TheBoy]

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Hey I do not mean to sound rude or anything. Im not an Atheist but until someone can provide full hard proof then i can not believe in him. But I pose a question to you people. If god created us, and the universe. Who created god. Is not the idea of god just appearing from nothing the same as the Big Bang Theory. Where the Universe appeared out of some simple pressure build up.

REMEMBER: I do not mean to offend. I have nothing against religion. I think that everyone should have a personal faith. But I can not change mine without proof.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

OK, First off you only listed off nine not ten points. Something tells me you don't really know what it is that atheist believe in the first place. So next time you try to post information about anything make sure your not just pulling stuff out of the sky.

We TRUE Christians(tm) know ALL about Atheists. I dare see why know their minds better than they do. They have no secrets from us.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Now it comes down to burden of proof

You see the burden of showing proof is never on the person who claims something does not exist for that is a logical fallacy.

It is when you claim something that the burden of proof is then put on the person claiming something exists.
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No the burden of proof is on you to show me that god exists. Also if you refer back to my video, it clearly states that I don't even care about you rising to that particular challenge, you know, the challenge of proving the christian god exists. I want you to prove that ONE god created the universe. If there is one god there might as well be two , or three, or four.
The monothiesm is what I would like you to prove.

So, you want us to prove that two, three, or four gods do not exist? Well, you see the burden of showing proof is never on the person who claims something does not exist for that is a logical fallacy.

It is when you claim something that the burden of proof is then put on the person claiming something exists. So you need to post your proof of the existence of multiple gods before we can discuss this any further.

Using that exact thought process apply that to your god. Your god would damn an entire populace ? Why? Because we did not believe? non-sense there is no factual reason or evidence pointing to your god therefore no reason for me to believe.

You can call it as irrational as you like, He's still going to do it to you. Pol Pot killed over a million people for crimes as trivial as wearing glasses or living in cities. That was irrational, but he still did it. And God is infinitely more powerful than some chink with a silly name, so I'd be trying to get in His good books if I were you.

Oh and please I do not wish to further talk with you.

Translation: Oh, and I realise that I've lost the argument, and it's going to become more and more obvious the longer this conversation goes on, so I do not wish to talk further with you.

In reply to your point number 10.
This is incorrect. The Jewish faith has held this belief since around 2000 B.C.
Meaning Before Christ.
Irrelevantly of whether or not Jesus was a JEW(Not spelled joo, I would strongly advise that some of your members invest in a good dictionary.) The idea of a single, Infinite, All knowing and All LOVING GOD has been around for TWO THOUSAND YEARS before the creator of your religion was even BORN. Please reconsider that statement.

What? The creator of our religion is God. The Jews believed in the God of the Bible. So do we. Try again.

And in regards to your point number 9, how could the belief that there is no higher power at all not be older then the belief of Christianity? By definition Atheism is disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. As there was belief in supreme beings long before Christianity, it stands to basic logic that there were also those who disbelieved in those beings, thereby refuting your point.

Prove the existence of these 6,000 year old atheists. You can't just claim something exists without giving any evidence to support it.

And by your way of phrasing, you have also left open the opportunity that Christianity, being younger the several religions, including JUDAISM, may itself be a copy of an existing religion. In fact, If one were to look back through the various religious beliefs of the past, it is possible to find religions who carry a similar theory.

You haven't read this thread, have you? That possibility has been discussed and discredited several times already.

ugh....
That is besides the point.... Don't you see?
I may have had one, but do I have proof of one?
NO I do not have one shred of evidence he existed in which to exonerate my claims. ALSO this is vastly different then the mythical god figure we are discussing. Do you understand now?
This is my point. That I have no proof means I should not expect people to simply "believe" and take "faith" that he ever did really exist. Therefore I do not try and force people to believe that I ever had a great great grandfather.

Friend, I'm very sorry that your great-great-grandmother was such a drunken whore that she had no idea whatsoever who impregnated her, but that's no reason to be angry with God. Can't we just agree that your great-great-grandfather was probably your great-great-granduncle and leave it at that?

OK, First off you only listed off nine not ten points. Something tells me you don't really know what it is that atheist believe in the first place.

Well, "something" needs to get its facts straight, because we know exactly what atheists believe in. They believe in God like everyone else, they're just in a bad mood.

[Janine Walker]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

OK, First off you only listed off nine not ten points. Something tells me you don't really know what it is that atheist believe in the first place. So next time you try to post information about anything make sure your not just pulling stuff out of the sky.

Does the 99 in your name stand for the year you were born and the 86 stand for your IQ? Every Christian knows that an atheist believes in the belief of having no belief thus an atheists does not have any actual beliefs. So, now that I have educated you I am going to provide you with some scripture about what happens if you ask kneel before the Lord Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness.



Psalm 51: 2

Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin.


2 Chronicles 7: 14

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


Hebrews 8: 12

or I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Psalm 86: 5

For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; And plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.


It's never too late to repent(unless you die, of course.)

With the love of Jesus, Janine Walker

[naenae9986]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

OK, First off you only listed off nine not ten points. Something tells me you don't really know what it is that atheist believe in the first place. So next time you try to post information about anything make sure your not just pulling stuff out of the sky.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

yes.. okay, i see well you know what , what the hell am I doing arguing with you people? fuc* this ... lmao jeez I feel stupider for even trying but its ok.
FUC* YOUR IDEA OF THE BIBLE AND WHAT IT TAKES TO GET INTO HEAVEN

Wow, calm down and get your demons under control. We're trying to explain to you what the Bible says, yet you're not listening. Jesus is knocking, just open the door for him.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

HELL is gonna have a lot of friends so IM NOT WORRIED. lmao
Jeez... I bet the aeternal flames feel good after awhile..

So where did you get that idea? More proof that you believe in God, after all if God didn't exist who created Hell?

Oh and it isn't going to be a fun place.
Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

Mark 9:43-44 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Luke 16:22-24 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

2 Peter 2:4-5 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The idea of Hell being one big party is just another one of Satan's lies popularized by the MSM.

ahahahahahahhahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha hahahahahahahhahahah

Demons again?

I don't care what any of you think
I don't care what any of you say

Yes you do, or you wouldn't be here.

According to the bible all you women are whores and deep down want to be raped. Is this true?

Scripture please

Is it true that woman are not as smart as men?

Scripture please

Is it true that woman are easily confused ?

Scripture please

Oh and is it true that if an intruder breaks into a home your husband should offer you to the intruder to be raped? then burn you because you are a whore?

Scripture please

[Janine Walker]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

yes.. okay, i see well you know what , what the hell am I doing arguing with you people? fuc* this ... lmao jeez I feel stupider for even trying but its ok.
**** YOUR IDEA OF THE BIBLE AND WHAT IT TAKES TO GET INTO HEAVEN

HELL is gonna have a lot of friends so IM NOT WORRIED. lmao
Jeez... I bet the aeternal flames feel good after awhile..

ahahahahahahhahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha hahahahahahahhahahah


I don't care what any of you think
I don't care what any of you say
According to the bible all you women are whores and deep down want to be raped. Is this true?
Is it true that woman are not as smart as men?
Is it true that woman are easily confused ?
Oh and is it true that if an intruder breaks into a home your husband should offer you to the intruder to be raped? then burn you because you are a whore?

So you accept that Hell is real? Good, you just agreed God exists. I'm glad we're on the same path here! Well, not same path you are going to be going to Hell and I'm going to be going to Heaven but I mean I am glad we're both in agreement that God is real!

God is GREAT, Janine Walker

[for the love of Fsm]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Your argument is as stupid as me saying my dad's Ford t-model outside in the garage evolved from a horse. Just because we cannot find it's creator and there's tons of documents about it's creation doesn't mean it came thin air, a monkey, or never existed.

Fact: That Ford outside was made in a factory.
Fact: The Earth was made by God.
Fact: The Bible was made by God.

Thank you and have a nice day, Janine Walker

yes.. okay, i see well you know what , what the hell am I doing arguing with you people? fuc* this ... lmao jeez I feel stupider for even trying but its ok.
**** YOUR IDEA OF THE BIBLE AND WHAT IT TAKES TO GET INTO HEAVEN

HELL is gonna have a lot of friends so IM NOT WORRIED. lmao
Jeez... I bet the aeternal flames feel good after awhile..

ahahahahahahhahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha hahahahahahahhahahah


I don't care what any of you think
I don't care what any of you say
According to the bible all you women are whores and deep down want to be raped. Is this true?
Is it true that woman are not as smart as men?
Is it true that woman are easily confused ?
Oh and is it true that if an intruder breaks into a home your husband should offer you to the intruder to be raped? then burn you because you are a whore?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Yes you are correct I could not prove his existance. This is my point. That I have no proof means I should not expect people to simply "believe" and take "faith" that he ever did really exist. Therefore I do not try and force people to believe that I ever had a great great grandfather. Using that exact thought process apply that to your god. Your god would damn an entire populace ? Why? Because we did not believe? non-sense there is no factual reason or evidence pointing to your god therefore no reason for me to believe. Thanks for that it rather helped in explaining my point abit further.

Okay, so we've proven that your great grandfather never existed. That's nice.

No that is ridiculous and does not even make any sense? what are you talking about? Kangaroos can be proven and if he did not want to take the effort to discover that I do not know what to tell you except you would be correct that is not your fault..
That does not mean the burden of proof is not on you, the ones claiming something.

I have plenty of proof that God exists, but you wont accept any of it. How is that different from Mr. Kangaroo's don't exist?

QUOTE]
Ahh no all that is going on the original basis that I already believe in the bible... which I don't... Do you believe this is the first time birds and fish have died? No this is not the first time, you see disease in animals spreads rather quickly :/
Oh and please I do not wish to further talk with you.[/QUOTE]
Please point out to me when in History we have had a lunar eclipse the same month we had a solar eclipse with fish dying around the world and birds falling out of the sky on different continents. No, it has never happened before. Oh and the dissected animals were not sick or poisoned according to the CDC.

Whether or not you believe in the Bible doesn't make the 10,000 prophecies any less true. You really are sounding more and more like Mr. Kangaroo's don't exist.

[Janine Walker]

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ugh....
That is besides the point.... Don't you see?
I may have had one, but do I have proof of one?
NO I do not have one shred of evidence he existed in which to exonerate my claims. ALSO this is vastly different then the mythical god figure we are discussing. Do you understand now?
This is my point. That I have no proof means I should not expect people to simply "believe" and take "faith" that he ever did really exist. Therefore I do not try and force people to believe that I ever had a great great grandfather. Using that exact thought process apply that to your god. Your god would damn an entire populace ? Why? Because we did not believe? non-sense there is no factual reason or evidence pointing to your god therefore no reason for me to believe.

Your argument is as stupid as me saying my dad's Ford t-model outside in the garage evolved from a horse. Just because we cannot find it's creator and there's tons of documents about it's creation doesn't mean it came from thin air, a monkey, or never existed.

Fact: That Ford outside was made in a factory.
Fact: The Earth was made by God.
Fact: The Bible was made by God.

Thank you and have a nice day, Janine Walker

[for the love of Fsm]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Are you seriously going to say that you didn't have a great grand father just so you can try to pitch this stupid idea that God isn't real? I really wish you didn't have a great grand father because then he wouldn't have to roll in his grave while you disgrace him. Oh, and you wouldn't exist!

In Christ, Janine Walker

ugh....
That is besides the point.... Don't you see?
I may have had one, but do I have proof of one?
NO I do not have one shred of evidence he existed in which to exonerate my claims. ALSO this is vastly different then the mythical god figure we are discussing. Do you understand now?
This is my point. That I have no proof means I should not expect people to simply "believe" and take "faith" that he ever did really exist. Therefore I do not try and force people to believe that I ever had a great great grandfather. Using that exact thought process apply that to your god. Your god would damn an entire populace ? Why? Because we did not believe? non-sense there is no factual reason or evidence pointing to your god therefore no reason for me to believe.

[Janine Walker]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Yes you are correct I could not prove his existance. This is my point. That I have no proof means I should not expect people to simply "believe" and take "faith" that he ever did really exist. Therefore I do not try and force people to believe that I ever had a great great grandfather. Using that exact thought process apply that to your god. Your god would damn an entire populace ? Why? Because we did not believe? non-sense there is no factual reason or evidence pointing to your god therefore no reason for me to believe. Thanks for that it rather helped in explaining my point abit further.

Are you seriously going to say that you didn't have a great grand father just so you can try to pitch this stupid idea that God isn't real? I really wish you didn't have a great grand father because then he wouldn't have to roll in his grave while you disgrace him. Oh, and you wouldn't exist!

In Christ, Janine Walker