[Sheldon the Swede]

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Of course not. That would be ridiculous!

Do YOU believe every loon who comes along and writes a book about something he made up? Oh wait...you do:




Because what it says is TRUE.

I think that even you will agree that it takes a special person to really do that. We haven't seen one in 2000 years.

The KJV Bible has never changed.

Perversions by those who have an agenda to avoid the tough love parts of the Bible or to support their own bid for power:

Very funny about Darwin, but no, I don't believe anybody who claims to be a scientist, I try to listen and understand what he says and if that occurs with his observations and logic, you don't do that at all.

By the way, Darwin's theory wasn't right about everything, there were some faults, but the theory has been revisited and performed over the decades, what Darwin hadn't right in his book is now correct by modern technology and observations.

And what do you do? You think that some dudes that claimed to be inspired by god are 100% correct about some crazy stories.

Very naive to me.

[Louise1987]

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I seem to notice that everytime an atheist reply to one of these post Pastor Ezekiel come up with that "this is not a debate".

And yet you want ahteist to try to refute your points, so that you can prove you're right, which turn it into a debate....

But in reality, you don't want your points to be refuted. You just want to revel in the glory when a fellow member tells each other how right you are.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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My point about the Bible's writing date and inacuracy is not what you think. The point being this is that it was written and written again by numerous people during this time lapse. The inacuracy there is that there can be translation errors or even modified details in the stories . Second, that's something we could try to verify... Finally, the first thing to come to my mind would be this part in which Jesus walked on water. I can try it or you could do it yourself or maybe ask Jesus to come back to show us btu as far as I can tell, it doesn't work like that.

Sir, as an atheist, you must seek a rational answer, it's understood. As a Christian, I don't have to - this story makes perfect sense as it is.

[Gabriel Reproba]

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So anybody who says "I'm inspired by God" and writes a book must be believed?

Of course not. That would be ridiculous!

How can you know they are truly inspired by god and were not deillusional?

Because they say so? Very professional.

Do YOU believe every loon who comes along and writes a book about something he made up? Oh wait...you do:

You can say all you want about how beautiful the bible is, but it's written by men who SAYS that they are inspired by god, you can't use the bible as a proof of their inspiration because THEY have written it, how do you know it's from god?

Because what it says is TRUE.

Anybody can do that, write a beautiful verse and say 'these are god words'

I think that even you will agree that it takes a special person to really do that. We haven't seen one in 2000 years.

I'm also noticing that the bible has been changed over the 2000 years since it's creation.

The KJV Bible has never changed.

How do you know these changes were god's words? Because they say so? Do you believe anybody who says so?

Perversions by those who have an agenda to avoid the tough love parts of the Bible or to support their own bid for power:

[Sheldon the Swede]

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And you are AVOIDING my point: GOD authored the Bible. NOT MEN. Men physically wrote down the words, but EVERY SCRIBBLE and EVERY DOT was authored by GOD. If words change then that is GOD'S INTENTION. The fact that they HAVE NOT CHANGED EVER is a testament to the fact that GOD WANTS US TO LISTEN.

Do you understand this? Do you get what I am saying. You keep talking about time and men writing things down as if that has ANYTHING to do with GOD'S WILL.

Let me put it this way:

It has withstood all the tests of time, Many have tried to discredit it but have failed, they can ignore and deny it all they want, doesn't it make any less the Truth than It is. even when the RCC began corrupting, adding to and taking away ETC, God made sure it got to His Peoples in tact :-) the catholics have "their" version along with all their "supplemental" Blaspheme's, but the majority of Christians Have the Truth, we all just need to Seek It , understand It and Live in It, lest we be decieved!

So anybody who says "I'm inspired by God" and writes a book must be believed?

Or not?

How can you know they are truly inspired by god and were not deillusional?

Because they say so? Very professional.

You can say all you want about how beautiful the bible is, but it's written by men who SAYS that they are inspired by god, you can't use the bible as a proof of their inspiration because THEY have written it, how do you know it's from god?

Anybody can do that, write a beautiful verse and say 'these are god words'

I'm also noticing that the bible has been changed over the 2000 years since it's creation. How do you know these changes were god's words? Because they say so? Do you believe anybody who says so?

[Gabriel Reproba]

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The point being this is that it was written and written again by numerous people during this time lapse. The inacuracy there is that there can be translation errors or even modified details in the stories .

And you are AVOIDING my point: GOD authored the Bible. NOT MEN. Men physically wrote down the words, but EVERY SCRIBBLE and EVERY DOT was authored by GOD. If words change then that is GOD'S INTENTION. The fact that they HAVE NOT CHANGED EVER is a testament to the fact that GOD WANTS US TO LISTEN.

Do you understand this? Do you get what I am saying. You keep talking about time and men writing things down as if that has ANYTHING to do with GOD'S WILL.

Let me put it this way:

It has withstood all the tests of time, Many have tried to discredit it but have failed, they can ignore and deny it all they want, doesn't it make any less the Truth than It is. even when the RCC began corrupting, adding to and taking away ETC, God made sure it got to His Peoples in tact :-) the catholics have "their" version along with all their "supplemental" Blaspheme's, but the majority of Christians Have the Truth, we all just need to Seek It , understand It and Live in It, lest we be decieved!

[Lisa H]

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My point about the Bible's writing date and inacuracy is not what you think. The point being this is that it was written and written again by numerous people during this time lapse. The inacuracy there is that there can be translation errors or even modified details in the stories . Second, that's something we could try to verify... Finally, the first thing to come to my mind would be this part in which Jesus walked on water. I can try it or you could do it yourself or maybe ask Jesus to come back to show us btu as far as I can tell, it doesn't work like that.

Jesus did walk on water. There is even a lizard that can walk on water, guess what it is called, Jesus Lizard.

[Cranky Old Man]

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the first thing to come to my mind would be this part in which Jesus walked on water. I can try it or you could do it yourself or maybe ask Jesus to come back to show us btu as far as I can tell, it doesn't work like that.

Don't you think someone who created everything, earth, animals, humans, would be capable of walking on water? There are no limits to what God can do! Luke 18:27 "And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God."

[Magnetman]

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My point about the Bible's writing date and inacuracy is not what you think. The point being this is that it was written and written again by numerous people during this time lapse. The inacuracy there is that there can be translation errors or even modified details in the stories . Second, that's something we could try to verify... Finally, the first thing to come to my mind would be this part in which Jesus walked on water. I can try it or you could do it yourself or maybe ask Jesus to come back to show us btu as far as I can tell, it doesn't work like that.

[Gabriel Reproba]

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The Bible was written milleniums ago, which means that here is some place for inaccuracy.

This is an error. What God said thousands of years ago is just as True today as it was then. God is eternal and always right.

As I am sure you know, the Bible was written by different people, which lived at different days.

Yes, it was physically written by men (i.e. Men put the ink to the paper) but the AUTHOR is God. God authored the Bible and the men just wrote down His words. Understand?

So my point is, how can we possibly admit everything in this book while we are unable to verify its accuracy and relevance?

Name ONE thing in the Bible which we can not verify.

[Cranky Old Man]

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How can we be sure that a) God exists, b) If so, that he actually said all that.

Simple, it's in the Bible! 2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

The Bible was written milleniums ago

1611 is not "milleniums ago".

which means that here is some place for inaccuracy

God doesn't make mistakes so the Bible is 100% flawless!

As I am sure you know, the Bible was written by different people, which lived at different days. That's the bugging part, in my opinion. These guys relate and wrote facts without real and provable proofs. So my point is, how can we possibly admit everything in this book while we are unable to verify its accuracy and relevance?

All those people where guided by God so there are no inaccuracies and everything in the Bible is relevant.

[Magnetman]

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So, according to your logic, if I don't believe in evolution, then YOUR arguments for it are invalid, right? Oh what's that? Oh...you want to have your cake and eat it too? How quaint. Why don't you run along and play with the rest of the retards in the asylum?

Ok.. First, English is not my main language so maybe I expressed myself wrong.
Second, as you can see, I am new here so bashing me like that and insulting mentally challenged people is not appropriate, in my opinion. Let's not forget that these human beings also are God's kids, according to the Bible. Finally, let me explain my point that I think I failed to explain properly in my previous post. Cranky Old Man said "The Bible is the word of God! You cannot simply dismiss the word of God! Anyone who dismisses the word of God is an insane retarded idiot." How can we be sure that a) God exists, b) If so, that he actually said all that. The Bible was written milleniums ago, which means that here is some place for inaccuracy. As I am sure you know, the Bible was written by different people, which lived at different days. That's the bugging part, in my opinion. These guys relate and wrote facts without real and provable proofs. So my point is, how can we possibly admit everything in this book while we are unable to verify its accuracy and relevance?

[Gabriel Reproba]

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Well, if someone doesn't believe in God and in the Bible, then your argument can't be valid.

So, according to your logic, if I don't believe in evolution, then YOUR arguments for it are invalid, right? Oh what's that? Oh...you want to have your cake and eat it too? How quaint. Why don't you run along and play with the rest of the retards in the asylum?

There are many more similar books and a plethora of scientific studies explaining christianity (all religious beliefs actually).

There is ONE book that explains Christianity: The King James Bible.

[uzbyte]

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And let's not forget: Christianity can explain atheism (Satan, God testing people and them failing), but no atheist has ever been able to explain Christianity. If Christianity was irrational, which it isn't, Christians would be less well-adapted to survive than atheists, so according to natural selection we should have died out and atheists should prosper. In fact, the opposite is true: In Darwinist terms, Christians are very effective predators of atheists, but atheists are very bad at killing Christians.
Face it, secularist losers: You cannot reconcile the existence of weakness with an all-powerful, all-logical system of natural selection. What's your answer to that one?

http://www.amazon.com/God-Gene-Faith-Hardwired-Genes/dp/0385500580

http://www.amazon.com/God-Part-Brain-Interpretation-Spirituality/dp/1402214529/ref=pd_sim_b_2

http://www.amazon.com/Why-God-Wont-Go-Away/dp/034544034X/ref=pd_sim_b_1

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Believe-What-Uncovering-Spirituality/dp/0743274970/ref=pd_sim_b_3

There are many more similar books and a plethora of scientific studies explaining christianity (all religious beliefs actually). Just so you don't say that to an atheist and they make a fool of you.

[Magnetman]

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Which part of "case closed" are you too stupid to understand?

The Bible is the word of God! You cannot simply dismiss the word of God! Anyone who dismisses the word of God is an insane retarded idiot. Are you an insane retarded idiot?

Well, if someone doesn't believe in God and in the Bible, then your argument can't be valid. If you want to prove your point, you'll need to bring better than that before insulting people.