[Sully12]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

In reply to your point number 10.
This is incorrect. The Jewish faith has held this belief since around 2000 B.C.
Meaning Before Christ.
Irrelevantly of whether or not Jesus was a JEW(Not spelled joo, I would strongly advise that some of your members invest in a good dictionary.) The idea of a single, Infinite, All knowing and All LOVING GOD has been around for TWO THOUSAND YEARS before the creator of your religion was even BORN. Please reconsider that statement.

And in regards to your point number 9, how could the belief that there is no higher power at all not be older then the belief of Christianity? By definition Atheism is disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. As there was belief in supreme beings long before Christianity, it stands to basic logic that there were also those who disbelieved in those beings, thereby refuting your point.
And by your way of phrasing, you have also left open the opportunity that Christianity, being younger the several religions, including JUDAISM, may itself be a copy of an existing religion. In fact, If one were to look back through the various religious beliefs of the past, it is possible to find religions who carry a similar theory.

[for the love of Fsm]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Another great youtube video, comments? Please I would like to hear opinions on it. In a non confrontational way if possible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlTBBKTO68

[for the love of Fsm]

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I see, so it's okay for me to barge into your home and claim that your great-great-grandfather never existed. Oh and I'm not going to take any silly "book" as proof of his existence, I demand to see him alive and well! After all, it doesn't matter that I barged into your house demanding you prove anything. Nope, if I say something doesn't exist, it doesn't until someone proves to me otherwise.

Yes you are correct I could not prove his existance. This is my point. That I have no proof means I should not expect people to simply "believe" and take "faith" that he ever did really exist. Therefore I do not try and force people to believe that I ever had a great great grandfather. Using that exact thought process apply that to your god. Your god would damn an entire populace ? Why? Because we did not believe? non-sense there is no factual reason or evidence pointing to your god therefore no reason for me to believe. Thanks for that it rather helped in explaining my point abit further.

No, the burden of proof is on the person who makes the demand. We've had people on here who claim Kangaroo's don't exist. Of course he wasn't going to go to a zoo or to Australia with us. Pictures were all fake. But hey, it's up to us to prove they exist right?

No that is ridiculous and does not even make any sense? what are you talking about? Kangaroos can be proven and if he did not want to take the effort to discover that I do not know what to tell you except you would be correct that is not your fault..
That does not mean the burden of proof is not on you, the ones claiming something.

QUOTE=BelieverInGod;670034]Would the words of the person who created the Flying Spaghetti Monster be enough?
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From his writing he looks like a retard. Look I really don't care if you want to go to Hell, just quit trying to take as many people as you can with you.


So all the Birds falling out of the sky and the fish dying around the world as predicted in Revelation isn't enough? Personally I believe the 6th seal has been opened, but hey, what do I know, after all, I only read the instruction manual.

Show me what other "holy text" has over 10,000 prophecies that have come true.[/QUOTE]
Ahh no all that is going on the original basis that I already believe in the bible... which I don't... Do you believe this is the first time birds and fish have died? No this is not the first time, you see disease in animals spreads rather quickly :/
Oh and please I do not wish to further talk with you.

[BelieverInGod]

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Now it comes down to burden of proof

You see the burden of showing proof is never on the person who claims something does not exist for that is a logical fallacy.

I see, so it's okay for me to barge into your home and claim that your great-great-grandfather never existed. Oh and I'm not going to take any silly "book" as proof of his existence, I demand to see him alive and well! After all, it doesn't matter that I barged into your house demanding you prove anything. Nope, if I say something doesn't exist, it doesn't until someone proves to me otherwise.

It is when you claim something that the burden of proof is then put on the person claiming something exists.

No, the burden of proof is on the person who makes the demand. We've had people on here who claim Kangaroo's don't exist. Of course he wasn't going to go to a zoo or to Australia with us. Pictures were all fake. But hey, it's up to us to prove they exist right?

there are a million things you do not believe in... like a flying spaghetti monster for example. Please show me how you would go about DISproving they exist so that I may copy your ideaology.

the words of the person who created the Flying Spaghetti Monster be enough?

From his writing he looks like a retard. Look I really don't care if you want to go to Hell, just quit trying to take as many people as you can with you.

No the burden of proof is on you to show me that god exists. Also if you refer back to my video, it clearly states that I don't even care about you rising to that particular challenge, you know, the challenge of proving the christian god exists. I want you to prove that ONE god created the universe. If there is one god there might as well be two , or three, or four.
The monothiesm is what I would like you to prove.

So all the Birds falling out of the sky and the fish dying around the world as predicted in Revelation isn't enough? Personally I believe the 6th seal has been opened, but hey, what do I know, after all, I only read the instruction manual.

Show me what other "holy text" has over 10,000 prophecies that have come true.

[for the love of Fsm]

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Here's a challenge for you: I'll prove God is real without making any circular arguments when you prove He isn't without using any atheist arguments. Go!

Now it comes down to burden of proof

You see the burden of showing proof is never on the person who claims something does not exist for that is a logical fallacy.

It is when you claim something that the burden of proof is then put on the person claiming something exists.

there are a million things you do not believe in... like a flying spaghetti monster for example. Please show me how you would go about DISproving they exist so that I may copy your ideaology.

No the burden of proof is on you to show me that god exists. Also if you refer back to my video, it clearly states that I don't even care about you rising to that particular challenge, you know, the challenge of proving the christian god exists. I want you to prove that ONE god created the universe. If there is one god there might as well be two , or three, or four.
The monothiesm is what I would like you to prove.

[Brother Temperance]

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using the bible proves the existance of god just as much as the star wars scripts prove the existance of darth vader friend.

In the challenge he asks no circular arguments.

Here's a challenge for you: I'll prove God is real without making any circular arguments when you prove He isn't without using any atheist arguments. Go!

[Bobby-Joe]

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Still not going to click it.

You seem rather obsessed with us watching your video's I wonder why

Because atheists are obsessed with the sound of their own voices. As TRUE Christians(tm) of Landover Baptists were can only shake our heads at their ridiculousness.

God is not mocked!

[BelieverInGod]

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Here is another great video, comments? questions? I give it a 50/50 on wether it will be deleted or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlTB...1&feature=fvwp

Still not going to click it.

You seem rather obsessed with us watching your video's I wonder why

[for the love of Fsm]

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Here is another great video, comments? questions? I give it a 50/50 on wether it will be deleted or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlTBBKTO68&NR=1&feature=fvwp

[for the love of Fsm]

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Hypothesis: for the love of Fsm is an insane retarded idiot.

Proof:



This is how science works, boy. You observe something and make a hypothesis and then you test that hypothesis. Brother Cranky asked if you were an insane retarded idiot and the hypothesis was confirmed by the answer you provided to my post.

Now that's science

But I sense that you are getting a little annoyed. Please understand that I am only pointing out your flaws so that you can realize that you have something to work on. It's never to late to seek out Salvation™ and once you become a True Christian™ you will no longer be an insane retarded idiot. Insane retarded idiots and True Christians are total opposites and one would never be able be both things at the same time

Edit: Additional proof that for the love of Fsm is an insane retarded idiot:

your rhetoric and propaganda does little to convince me. As for me getting annoyed? No this is untrue as I am rather pleased by the lack of comprehension shown by you all. First you say the video is boring and you fall asleep during it then you attempt to give a sufficient answer? Is it I who is the "insane retarded idiot" <-- (very uhh..intelligent btw )
your science is likewise revealing of your character and intellectual level yourself sir. Again... thumbs down seeing as how you now are changing the topic which i suspected would happen to begin with.
I also expect a few more infractions along the way. In no way shape or form have any of you offered any sort of proof except for throwing your believes at me. This is not what convinces people, and you wonder why people do not respect or follow your church and beliefs.
It has in fact been a pleasure for me talking with you all. In no way would I ever take offence to anything you could possibly think.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

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Are you an insane retarded idiot?

Hypothesis: for the love of Fsm is an insane retarded idiot.

Proof:

A quick read of the wiki page on ockhams razor will explain why it is not proof at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ockham%27s_razor

Again, if the video bored you that is of NO concern to me. You find it boring? I found it intriguing and im sure the fact that I enjoyed the video means little to you so what is the point of bringing that fact up? Simply to irritate? Never the less yet again you fail to meet the challenge.

This is how science works, boy. You observe something and make a hypothesis and then you test that hypothesis. Brother Cranky asked if you were an insane retarded idiot and the hypothesis was confirmed by the answer you provided to my post.

Now that's science

But I sense that you are getting a little annoyed. Please understand that I am only pointing out your flaws so that you can realize that you have something to work on. It's never to late to seek out Salvation™ and once you become a True Christian™ you will no longer be an insane retarded idiot. Insane retarded idiots and True Christians are total opposites and one would never be able be both things at the same time

Edit: Additional proof that for the love of Fsm is an insane retarded idiot:

wow very humorous insults you sling at me.

Angry that you could not meet the challenge? Has god not gifted you with the capability to know how to strike me down ?
Thumbs down brother, thumbs down
Why do I keep getting infractions? I have not insulted any one it is you all who are doing the insulting.. proof in the above comment ^^

[for the love of Fsm]

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Which part of "case closed" are you too stupid to understand?

The Bible is the word of God! You cannot simply dismiss the word of God! Anyone who dismisses the word of God is an insane retarded idiot. Are you an insane retarded idiot?

wow very humorous insults you sling at me.

Angry that you could not meet the challenge? Has god not gifted you with the capability to know how to strike me down ?
Thumbs down brother, thumbs down
Why do I keep getting infractions? I have not insulted any one it is you all who are doing the insulting.. proof in the above comment ^^

[for the love of Fsm]

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Wow. That's gotta be the most boring video I ever saw. I actually fell asleep while watching it. So I watched the 3 minutes version instead. (It is linked to in the description of the first video).

But you know why there is only one God and not more? Ockhams razor, boy. One creator is the simplest explanation. It makes no sense to assume that more Gods were involved.

Proof enough for you, God mocker?

A quick read of the wiki page on ockhams razor will explain why it is not proof at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ockham%27s_razor

Again, if the video bored you that is of NO concern to me. You find it boring? I found it intriguing and im sure the fact that I enjoyed the video means little to you so what is the point of bringing that fact up? Simply to irritate? Never the less yet again you fail to meet the challenge.

[Cranky Old Man]

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using the bible proves the existance of god just as much as the star wars scripts prove the existance of darth vader friend. In the challenge he asks no circular arguments. Of course you can say the bible says this... If you had watched the video maybe that would have been apparent to you. Your opinion on the video is irrelevant and concerns me not. Your response however does and is justification enough to say you have failed to meet the challenge.

Which part of "case closed" are you too stupid to understand?

The Bible is the word of God! You cannot simply dismiss the word of God! Anyone who dismisses the word of God is an insane retarded idiot. Are you an insane retarded idiot?

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

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Can any of you asnwer this challenge?

I would be so interested and obliged if one of you obviously educated christian thiests could give a satisfiable answer to this challenge listed below. So without further ado!!!!
Oh p.s Im sure you will have no problems in answering because god will show you how


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk5Llzxjhi0

Wow. That's gotta be the most boring video I ever saw. I actually fell asleep while watching it. So I watched the 3 minutes version instead. (It is linked to in the description of the first video).

But you know why there is only one God and not more? Ockhams razor, boy. One creator is the simplest explanation. It makes no sense to assume that more Gods were involved.

Proof enough for you, God mocker?