[logicalthinker]

Re: God Hates Fags

I would rather not. Note, however, that I have read through several of the forums here and those are words you use rather often. I was merely noting that I was expecting it. Though treating me fairly would be nice. I'm not here to persecute you or anything.

[Brother Temperance]

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I would rather not. Note, however, that I have read through several of the forums here and those are words you use rather often. I was merely noting that I was expecting it. Though treating me fairly would be nice. I'm not here to persecute you or anything.

Friend, if you're willing to keep a civil tongue in your head, treat us fairly and reasonably, and also be born again in Christ's love, then I can guarantee you none of the congregation will behave aggressively or rudely towards you at all. If you choose to reject God's love, then I'm afraid that a few of the more emotional Brothers and Sisters here might take it somewhat personally.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I didn't say I hate gays. However, the majority of you guys exhibited that impression... so I told you guys about others who hate gays. I'm sorry, but you give the impression when you say that a gay person who was persecuted to the brink of madness jumping off a building and dying is GOOD. Who thinks that? and I just told you that you weren't alone in that hatred. I'm not against gays, just telling people who give that impression about others who do.

Who thinks that? CHRISTIANS do! At least Christians who follow every word of the Holy Bible as we are commanded to.

[GodlessSinner]

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The bible does say "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" - Lev 20:13. So God does have a disliking of gays. Why?

Also, you said earlier that the people who tell gays it's fine are the ones who hate them? Erm I don't see the logic in that. Surely telling them there's no problem with being gay is less hateful than saying "you are wrong, you need saving".

[BelieverInGod]

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The bible does say "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" - Lev 20:13. So God does have a disliking of gays. Why?

Why do you people never ask why he hates cotton wool blends? Why he hates shell fish? Why he's not very fond of dogs? Also, why do you expect us to know Gods mind?

Also, you said earlier that the people who tell gays it's fine are the ones who hate them? Erm I don't see the logic in that. Surely telling them there's no problem with being gay is less hateful than saying "you are wrong, you need saving".

Because they're damning the gay to Hell! Who do you think loves an addict more? The pusher and other addicts who encourage him? Or the people who try and get him off the stuff? It's the same thing here.

[GodlessSinner]

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Why do you people never ask why he hates cotton wool blends? Why he hates shell fish? Why he's not very fond of dogs? Also, why do you expect us to know Gods mind?


Because they're damning the gay to Hell! Who do you think loves an addict more? The pusher and other addicts who encourage him? Or the people who try and get him off the stuff? It's the same thing here.

I was not aware of those, how odd he is. Well you are following him, so you must understand him at least a little bit. Surely if you are just following him blindly without question, he is a totalitarian leader. He is like Kim Jong Il; whatever he says goes, and there is no debate over it.

Are you seriously comparing being homosexual to a drug addiction? And you think you have the moral highground... Being addicted to drugs harms you and people around you. Being gay does nothing negative, why is it any of your business what gay people do in the bedroom? Why are you/god so concerned about where they put their members? They aren't doing anyone any harm. All you're doing is forcing your beliefs upon them, saying "my book says it wrong, it says you're going to burn in a lake of fire forever...but we can help you, we can fix you" - how evil is that?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I'm sorry, but you give the impression when you say that a gay person who was persecuted to the brink of madness jumping off a building and dying is GOOD.

Of course it is! He has decided that he wants to live the homosexual deathstyle, and has removed himself from society rather than tempt others into damnation with him.

The bible does say "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" - Lev 20:13. So God does have a disliking of gays. Why?

Because He is God, He is the Creator, and He can like or dislike WHATEVER HE DAMNED WELL PLEASES, that's why!

What are you, a three-year-old? "But why, Mommy? Why? Why? Why?"

Also, you said earlier that the people who tell gays it's fine are the ones who hate them? Erm I don't see the logic in that. Surely telling them there's no problem with being gay is less hateful than saying "you are wrong, you need saving".

I'm sorry you don't understand logic.

Let me give you an analogy:

Let's suppose you see a toddler running in her front yard toward a busy street, chasing a ball. The ball rolls into the street.

A truck is coming. The ball will be squashed!

Do you let the child run after it, because it is what she wants? Or do you grab her while she cries and screams as her favorite ball is squashed?

Any True Christian™ would grab the child and ensure her safety, whether she likes it or not. We know, because God said so, that homosexuals will be DAMNED TO AN ETERNITY OF TORTURE IN GOD'S LAKE OF FIRE. We don't want that to happen to them. We warn them, in spite of the persecution we receive from people like, say, YOU.

The person who tells homosexuals that what they're doing is fine are like the people who would let the child run in front of the truck. People who call themselves "Christian" but tell homosexuals to go ahead and enrage God must want homosexuals to be tortured for eternity, and therefore despise them.

They aren't doing anyone any harm. All you're doing is forcing your beliefs upon them, saying "my book says it wrong, it says you're going to burn in a lake of fire forever...but we can help you, we can fix you" - how evil is that?

Those who choose to remain unrepentant are doing themselves harm, and need to be warned of it. Further, they are working to do others harm, by teaching that homosexuality is acceptable to God and encouraging others to join them in Hell.

You call it "evil" to tell them what God says so they can make an informed decision about their fate?

It's true, you atheists really DO have no sense of morals. Why do you hate homosexuals?

[GodlessSinner]

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[QUOTE=Rev. M. Rodimer;618621]

Because He is God, He is the Creator, and He can like or dislike WHATEVER HE DAMNED WELL PLEASES, that's why!

QUOTE]

Again, you back up the fact that your god is a totalitarian leader. Your whole argument relies on the fact that your religion is correct. The analogy fails because the child, if left to fetch the ball, WILL get squished into the road. But hell is not known to exist (lack of non-faith based evidence) for sure, it is merely a belief based on faith. Being gay has no earthly consequences (apart from discrimination from ignorant bigots), but it does have paranormal consequences (the whole 'hell' thing). Unless the homosexual has been brought up a devout 'hardcore' christian/muslim/jew etc, they will see no wrong in being homosexual because it has no negative earthly consequences.

I don't hate gays, why do you think that?

Also, you obviously wont agree, but there is no objective morality (this is a different debate subject which someone should start on here). We may share certain morals, but there are no absolute ones.

[BelieverInGod]

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I was not aware of those, how odd he is. Well you are following him, so you must understand him at least a little bit. Surely if you are just following him blindly without question, he is a totalitarian leader. He is like Kim Jong Il; whatever he says goes, and there is no debate over it.

He is nothing like Kim Jong Il, he cannot be over thrown. Look at it this way, does an ant understand why you burned it's nest out? Does the clay demand that the potter answer why it was turned into an ashtray?

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Are you seriously comparing being homosexual to a drug addiction? And you think you have the moral highground... Being addicted to drugs harms you and people around you. Being gay does nothing negative, why is it any of your business what gay people do in the bedroom? Why are you/god so concerned about where they put their members? They aren't doing anyone any harm. All you're doing is forcing your beliefs upon them, saying "my book says it wrong, it says you're going to burn in a lake of fire forever...but we can help you, we can fix you" - how evil is that?

Really, so AIDS isn't harmful? Anal cancer isn't harmful? Mental health issues aren't harmful? Physical abuse isn't harmful? Wow, I am sure glad that there's a smart atheist on here to tell me that, because in my books those things are VERY harmful. I'm assuming that your anger stems from your homosexuality. And we are unable to "fix" someone, that has to come from their willingness to obey God.

[GodlessSinner]

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He is nothing like Kim Jong Il, he cannot be over thrown. Look at it this way, does an ant understand why you burned it's nest out? Does the clay demand that the potter answer why it was turned into an ashtray?

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?


Really, so AIDS isn't harmful? Anal cancer isn't harmful? Mental health issues aren't harmful? Physical abuse isn't harmful? Wow, I am sure glad that there's a smart atheist on here to tell me that, because in my books those things are VERY harmful. I'm assuming that your anger stems from your homosexuality. And we are unable to "fix" someone, that has to come from their willingness to obey God.

So the only difference between god and Kim Jong Il is that god cannot be thrown over? Seems legit.

Ants are not sentient enought to know that they are 'invading human territory', so they do not know. Clay plates are not able to think (I know this is an analogy, but the ant example wasn't)

AIDS and anal cancer are harmful, did I say there weren't. Oh, by the way, heterosexual couples can also get AIDS and anal cancer. Mental + physical health issues? How do these relate to being gay? I am heterosexual and have been all my life, so I don't know why you asume I am. Maybe it's because I am not homophobic like your un-throwoverable (yes I made up a word) Kim Jong Il.

[BelieverInGod]

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So the only difference between god and Kim Jong Il is that god cannot be thrown over? Seems legit.

And God created the universe, and He's omnisicent, and He's omnipotent, but hey, I'm sure that's no big deal to a smart atheist like yourself.

Ants are not sentient enought to know that they are 'invading human territory', so they do not know. Clay plates are not able to think (I know this is an analogy, but the ant example wasn't)

Compared to God, I'm not even sure we would be ants. God is incomprehensible to the human mind. So THANK GOD! he gave us a life manual to live by.

AIDS and anal cancer are harmful, did I say there weren't. Oh, by the way, heterosexual couples can also get AIDS and anal cancer.

Christian couples don't get it. Sure if you have some liebral "open" marriage where you're hopping from bed to bed, but that's just as reprehensible to God as being Gay is.

Mental + physical health issues? How do these relate to being gay? I am heterosexual and have been all my life, so I don't know why you asume I am. Maybe it's because I am not homophobic like your un-throwoverable (yes I made up a word) Kim Jong Il.

Considering your arguments, I doubt very much that you're heterosexual. As for the Mental health issues, homosexuals have a substantially greater risk of suffering from a psychiatric problems than do heterosexuals.. They also commit more physical abuse towards each other, I don't understand why you hate the fact that we are trying to help these people get better so much. Why do liebrals want everyone to roll in the filthy sins of the gutter? I honestly can say that I don't understand the hostility that is shown to people who try to turn to a more Godly and happy life?

[GodlessSinner]

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I wouldn't be surprised if Kim Jong Il thinks he is god, he has a very high opinion of himself.

Are you saying a christian couple has NEVER EVER got aids or cancer? Really?

I am not Liberal, I consider myself center right.

My response to the mental health article, do you reckon it is possibly because so many people (due to their religion or otherwise) are so intollerant of them? They make them feel like they are preverted freaks, I'm not surprised that some have commited suicide (especially several decades ago)

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Are you saying a christian couple has NEVER EVER got aids or cancer? Really?

That's TRUE Christian(tm)!

[GodlessSinner]

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Every subdivision of christianity (methodism, baptism, catholicism etc) claims to be the TRUE christianity. Does that mean if a baptist gets AIDS/cancer they are not TRUE christians?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Every subdivision of christianity (methodism, baptism, catholicism etc) claims to be the TRUE christianity. Does that mean if a baptist gets AIDS/cancer they are not TRUE christians?

No one at Landover Baptist ever gets sick, because we don't sin and God loves us. There may be some other "Baptists" somewhere who do sin, and therefore God smites them with the flu every winter. But not us.