[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Answer the questions, sand nigra.

1.The Qur'an says "To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward" (Surah 5:9).

Question: Are you doing enough good deeds to receive salvation on the Day of Judgment? How do you know?


2. The Qur'an says, "O ye who believe! Turn unto Allah in sincere repentance! It may be that your Lord will remit from you your evil deeds and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, on the day when Allah will not abase the Prophet and those who believe with him. Their light will run before them and on their right hands; they will say: Our Lord! Perfect our light for us, and forgive us! Lo! Thou art Able to do all things," (66:8-9). Notice how it says if you are sincere you may receive forgiveness.

Question: How do you know you are sincere enough to be forgiven of Allah?
Question: Does it give you peace to know that even if you are very sincere that at best, you MIGHT receive forgiveness?
Question: If you say that you know you are sincere enough in your repentance before Allah, how do you know you are not deceiving yourself?
Question: Is your heart really good enough to muster enough sincerity before a Holy and Righteous God?
Question: If you say yes, I honestly and humbly ask you, "Are you being prideful?"
Question: If you say you are not being prideful, then are you boasting in your sincerity?


3. In Christianity, Jesus is God in flesh who paid for our sins on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24). Because of that, we Christians are secure in Him and do not have to worry about doing enough good works to please God since we are saved by grace through faith in Him, (Eph. 2:8-9).

Question: Why should we Christians give up our guaranteed Salvation© in Jesus for the requirements of your Qur'anic law when you yourselves don't even know if you have done enough good deeds to be saved on the Day of Judgment?


4. In the Bible, Jesus said in John 15:13, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." In Christianity, the greatest act of love is performed by God Himself -- since Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9). Jesus is the one who fulfilled His own words on this. He laid His life down for us.

Question: What is the greatest act of love performed by Allah?
Question: If what Jesus said is true, then hasn't someone besides Allah performed the greatest act of love?
Question: Why do you, as a Muslim, want us to give up such a great love performed by God Himself for your belief in Allah who only loves people if they are Muslims, and under certain circumstances?


5. Islam teaches that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel. In the Bible, the Holy Spirit lives in True Christians™.

Question: If the angel Gabriel is the Holy Spirit, how can he dwell in us?

"That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us." (2 Tim. 1:14).

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" (1 Cor. 3:16).


6. Lying is okay?

Question: Was Muhammad wrong for advocating lying? Is Lying okay? "Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him [Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf]?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it," (Hadith Vol. 5, Book 59, #369).
Question: Who is more holy, Allah or God?

In the above quote from the hadith, Muhammad advocated lying. The Christian God would never approve of lying. Does the god of Islam approve of lying? If not, then wasn't Muhammad wrong? If he was not wrong, then Allah approves of lying. Which God is more holy? The God of Christianity is far more holy.

In fact, the God of Christianity is the ONLY TRUE God.

Peace be upon you.

Yes, thankyou for your reminder. As soon as I have the time I will write a response and post it. Please be patient.

PS I think the use of the word gentle in your explanation, "Gentle Pastor of the Flock" may be a misnomer. . Please be a bit more patient, I will post the answers soon.

Peace be upon you

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Also, there are a myriad of things that Muslims invented recently

Name them.

because the Quran orders Muslims to learn, and that is why so many muslims invented and considered so many topics.

So you're saying that Muslims have not been Muslims for the past 500 years?

Seriously, start googling and find me something Muslims have invented in the past 500 years.

Jews and Zoroastrians would not have done the same, because I would remind you that Jews were a part of the European community at the time,

The middle east may have been judenfrei since 1948, but there were many Jews all over the Islamic world before your culture decided to scapegoat Israel for your failures. UN figures show that 856,000 Jewish residents left Arab countries in 1948:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/...ca/nations.php

That's right: there were more Israeli refugees than Palestinian ones. Yet look who is prospering, and look who is living in squalor and violence, blaming it all their fellow refugees?

Also, what about the racism against African Americans which occurred so recently in history? Were they not Christian? What of the conflicts in Ireland?

I never said Islam invented violence. But the rest of the world has grown up and outgrown violence while the Islamic world is still in it's "terrible twos".

Also, I would note that many of the conflicts are less to do with religion and more to do with ethnicity, by which I mean that those involved are not observing the teachings of Islam. For instance Turkish Army forces have long been noted for seculerism, and the Kurdish fighters are Maoists and Leninists for a long time now.

Well, any seculrist could say Turks are not "real" secularists and Maoists and Leninists could say the PKK are not "real" communists just like you say they're not "real" Muslims. Like Communists said Stalin was not a "real" communist.

Look, I'm just judging Islam by it's fruits. You can preach peace and progress but actions speak louder than words.

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Name them.



So you're saying that Muslims have not been Muslims for the past 500 years?

Seriously, start googling and find me something Muslims have invented in the past 500 years.



The middle east may have been judenfrei since 1948, but there were many Jews all over the Islamic world before your culture decided to scapegoat Israel for your failures. According to United Nations statistics, 856,000 Middle-eastern Jewish residents fled their homes in 1948.



I never said Islam invented violence. But the rest of the world has grown up and outgrown violence while the Islamic world is still in it's "terrible twos".



Well, any seculrist could say Turks are not "real" secularists and Maoists and Leninists could say the PKK are not "real" communists just like you say they're not "real" Muslims. Like Communists said Stalin was not a "real" communist.

Look, I'm just judging Islam by it's fruits. You can preach peace and progress but actions speak louder than words.

Peace be upon you, and all the blessing of the almighty

Yes, actions do speak louder than words. Hence these websites, which list so many inventions, many recent ones too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_world

http://www.1001inventions.com/index....tSectionID=309

http://www.wonderfulinfo.com/winfo/muslminv2.htm

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ihame/Sec12.htm (architecture mainly)

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/islam/science.htm

http://digg.com/videos/educational/Islamic_Inventions_Scientific_Contributions_that_changed_the_world

http://muslimheritage.com/ (search for Islamic/Muslim inventions)

Thank you for your response,

Peace be upon you

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Name them.



So you're saying that Muslims have not been Muslims for the past 500 years?

Seriously, start googling and find me something Muslims have invented in the past 500 years.



The middle east may have been judenfrei since 1948, but there were many Jews all over the Islamic world before your culture decided to scapegoat Israel for your failures. UN figures show that 856,000 Jewish residents left Arab countries in 1948:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/...ca/nations.php

That's right: there were more Israeli refugees than Palestinian ones. Yet look who is prospering, and look who is living in squalor and violence, blaming it all their fellow refugees?



I never said Islam invented violence. But the rest of the world has grown up and outgrown violence while the Islamic world is still in it's "terrible twos".



Well, any seculrist could say Turks are not "real" secularists and Maoists and Leninists could say the PKK are not "real" communists just like you say they're not "real" Muslims. Like Communists said Stalin was not a "real" communist.

Look, I'm just judging Islam by it's fruits. You can preach peace and progress but actions speak louder than words.

Also, on the Jewish topic. After the First World War, Britain wanted to remove the Jews in England and place them somewhere else, as there was a lot of anti-jewish sentiment at the time (the word anti-semetic is a misnomer, as arabs are semites as well). They proceeded to forcefully give Jewish settlers land in Palestine from that time on, and as you can understand there was opposition from those who had their lands taken from them. The fact is Jews lived in Europe mainly for almost a thousand years, and moving onto lands that were already being lived one was always going to cause opposition. What if an American Indian entered your home and said that it was built on his ancestral land and you had to leave? What about the millions of Palestinians misplaces and forced to leave their homes.? Are their rights to be ignored? If you attempted to honestly consider Islam, you would get something out of it, as a pose to these blogs. Also, I should state that I could argue in the same way that you do about America. What about the Millions of Afghans and Iraqis Killed or misplaced from the so called "War On Terror", and ironic name as it has caused so much terror. You realise, dont you, that before America invaded Afghanistan, perhaps 0.000001% of Muslims knew about Osama Bin Laden. Know, America's invasion and the numerous American massacres in Iraq and Afghanistan have only convinced young Muslims that the terrorist Osama is correct. What about the fighting in Somalia which tore the nationa apart? It never recovered from America's involvement onwards. What about Vietnam, and the My Lai Massacre, and the defoliation of most of Vietnam's forests. If I judged American Capitalism and Conservatism by these fruits, then ofcourse I would hold them in a bad light. The truth is that you are picking and choosing the "fruits" which you think are bad for Islam. You arent considering the benefits Islam has given the World.

Peace be upon you.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Yes, actions do speak louder than words. Hence these websites, which list so many inventions, many recent ones too.

I just asked for one. One invention from the past 500 years.

Did you know that, minus oil, the entire Islamic world exports the same amount of goods as FINLAND?

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/islam/science.htm

"This Wonderful Book Has Helped Bring 1,000s to Learn And Understand The True Islam"

Helped bring one thousands? Huh? Now Muslims have forgotten how to COUNT? "Ones, Twos, Threes, One thousands, Two thousands...."

http://digg.com/videos/educational/I...nged_the_world

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

Why is that? Oh right, because muslims had to COPY IT instead of creating their own movie.

http://www.wonderfulinfo.com/winfo/muslminv2.htm

This "list of 20" only gives me 2: #7 and #8, both of which were invented more than 500 years ago.

All you've done is proved that muslims are too technically incompetant to even use the internet. THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON ISLAM.

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

PS some of them are repeats. Sorry! but each website has something new as well as repeats.

Here's another one (repeat but relevant)

http://www.dailybubble.com/archives/2006/03/13/islamic-inventions-that-beat-the-west.php

[Brother Seb]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

The evil moslems have invented human bombs. Only the cowardly could do these things. Jesus wept.

I shall pray for your soul tonight.

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Peace be upon you

As i said earlier, you are being selective. you didn't attempt to review the sites properly, otherwise you would have taken longer to respond. Nevermind. Hopefully, God Almighty will give you patience and tolerance.

Peace Be Upon You

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

The evil moslems have invented human bombs. Only the cowardly could do these things. Jesus wept.

I shall pray for your soul tonight.

Peace Be Upon You,

Yes, but who invented massive bombers, nuclear missiles that can kill millions, tanks, machine guns, and all modern weapons? More to the point, who used them to kill so many innocent people? I thank you for your prayers (if as i assume they were aimed for me) and would add that I pray for all people, all the time, especially those who portray racism, because racism is an indication of ignorance. Thanks for your response and prayers,

Peace be upon you.

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

I just asked for one. One invention from the past 500 years.

Did you know that, minus oil, the entire Islamic world exports the same amount of goods as FINLAND?



"This Wonderful Book Has Helped Bring 1,000s to Learn And Understand The True Islam"

Helped bring one thousands? Huh? Now Muslims have forgotten how to COUNT? "Ones, Twos, Threes, One thousands, Two thousands...."



This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

Why is that? Oh right, because muslims had to COPY IT instead of creating their own movie.



This "list of 20" only gives me 2: #7 and #8, both of which were invented more than 500 years ago.

All you've done is proved that muslims are too technically incompetant to even use the internet. THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON ISLAM.

Peace be upon you,

I would also add that if you were truly interested in the topic, you would research your own sources. More reliable then the internet are books (as with most things, as books have to go through a rigorous editing and referencing process), and such texts can be found if you visit a Mosque in your locality, or otherwise order them from an Islamic Society. Usually, they are sent free of charge.

Peace Be Upon You.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

I knew if I talked about Palestine for long enough you'd melt down. You people are so easy to manipulate, no wonder nearly all your countries are dictatorships.

Also, on the Jewish topic. After the First World War, Britain wanted to remove the Jews in England and place them somewhere else, as there was a lot of anti-jewish sentiment at the time

Correct, this is why we support Isreal. It's sort of like an injun reservation.

They proceeded to forcefully give Jewish settlers land in Palestine from that time on, and as you can understand there was opposition from those who had their lands taken from them.

Thus, I can understand you people blowing up those subways in Britain, even though you did it about a century too late.

What if an American Indian entered your home and said that it was built on his ancestral land and you had to leave?

I don't know, I'd probably feel the same way all those Jews felt when they were kicked out of Arab countries!

You don't see us all angry at Britain for kicking our Puritan forefathers out of Britain, do you? You don't see us in squalor, blaming the British for everything, and killing anyone who we suspect is "pro-British", and teaching our kids to hate British people, because we're such poor opressed puritans.

You don't see Jews sitting around in slums, sending their children to throw stones at Germans, do you?

Germany and Japan were nothing but ashes when the Palestinians became refugees. Yet the krauts and Japs are now the most prosperious people in the world, while Palestinians are still whining.

And with Palestinians being treated so badly by other Arab nations, why do they always blame Isreal for this? We didn't blame the British for the injun wars. We just locked, loaded, and conquered the inujuns.

What about the millions of Palestinians misplaces and forced to leave their homes.? Are their rights to be ignored?

When the Iraqis allow Jews to move back into Bagdad, you'll have a leg to stand on here.

What about the fighting in Somalia which tore the nationa apart?

Lol.

You arent considering the benefits Islam has given the World.

Yes I have: lots of 500 year old inventions and an export industry equal to finland.

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Peace Be With You.
Thank you for response. First of all, please know that I consider all Christians in the highest respect, and nothing you say will cause me to change that opinion, because I have been ordered in the Qu'ran to hold Christians Jews, and all people. The first thing that I would like to state is that the Bible asks Christians to love their neighbor, does it not? How do you interpret this? Those priests that I have asked have stated that neighbor means anyone. Look at the Prophet Jesus Peace be upon him, he was so persecuted by the Pharisees, and yet he pleaded with God Almighty to forgive them, for they "know not what they do". Your response is extensive, so I will answer the three questions that you wrote down the bottom.

1. Look at your wrist watch. See it? Without Muslims (ARABS- you only became Muslim after the 8th century fool) you wouldnt have it. Also, the Atrolabe, which allowed navigators to discover places like Australia. (Are you saying sea navigation never occurred before the 8th century? How did anyone including the (non-muslim)arabs navigate before the birth of mahommed? they weren't muslims back then, so? The Greeks, the romans, the polynesian peoples who had yet to see the existence of Islam navigated somehow ....it wasn't because some towelhead woke up one day and proclaimed himself a prophet, and 3 centuries after molesting a 9 year old girl told his followers to invent the astrolabe...)-Additionally, you might want to look at the numbers we use everyday, i e, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 etc. Muslims (ARABS not muslims) discovered these numbers, and it is thanks to Islam (No it is thanks to international trade not some imaginary rag headed God) that we dont use the Roman Numeral System. If we did, we would never have been able to do the complex calculations that are required for so much of our lives to work. the computers we use to post these messages require these numbers. There are a myriad of other inventions, and I should note that without Islam, (fool - its not because of Islam - these inventions don't owe their existence to your religion - they exist thanks to the ingenuity of man and the need to communicate in business) the Rennaisance would never have occurred, for it was Muslims (arabs) who rediscovered the ancient greek philosophical texts, which Europeans had forgotten about. Friend - crediting your religion of hate with these enlightened inventions is false. I would say that if in fact these inventions were by muslims and not pre-mohommedic arabs, then these things were invented in spite of the religion of ignorance and suppression that is Islam. (Anyway - muslims don't need to navigate by sea -you all live in the desert - no boat required)

2. Show me a war right now that doesnt involve Americans. Unfortunately, the converse of your question is a legitimate argument against you. Someones got to step in to stop the bloodshed between you silly ragheads fighting over the existence of some missing Imam...or would you rather just keep killing each other so you can get your 27 virgins?

3. I would respond by saying that most Muslims assimilate well in Australia,Oh yeah? are those Muslims lebanese by any chance? From Lakemba mosque? Or are you referring to the Muslims from Indonesia, who think that you Lakemba Islamists are racist criminal warlike freaks trying to destroy christian australia? . There is only a minority which is hardline and dont tolerate our Christian and Jewish brothers and sisters.and what are you doing to stop their message of hate brother? You personally? verbally attacking Christians? look to the stick in your own eye....

Also, i would state that I do consider myself Australian. Also, you ought to know that before Islam, the mid-east was in the state of Jahiliyah, or ignorance. baby girls were killed upon birth by being buried alive, women were not regarded at all as human beings, and there were polytheists everywhere. When the Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him was given the message of Islam through the Angel Gabriel, he was taught that these things were ungodly. And over 300 years later , someone decided it would be a good idea to write down word for word what God dictated to Mahommed.. a little late don't you think? The literal word of God indeed. If you want to know what God really says, pick up the King James Version of the Bible. Its the only untainted source of Gods word...not some silly Koran...He banned the killing of infants, and in response to those who mocked him when he said that women were equal to men, he stated "Were you not born of a women?!". Also, in response to your statement about being the most peaceful place in the world, have you seen the statistics on how many people are murdered each year in America? Also, we have seen two or three school shootings in this year alone from my memory. Ahh yes . were these shootings in the south west of sydney, by Lebanese muslim criminals by any chance? they were...Also, the mid east was not the most sophisticated place in the world, it became so under the Muslims and the Caliphates, who were patrons of Maths, the Arts, Astrology, Physics, Chemistry etc. Did you ever wonder where modern chemistry got its inspiration? See "Al-Kimiya", the arabic word which alchemy, early western science, is named after. So the romans, greeks, egyptians, Chinese and other pre-mahommedic races new nothing about chemistry? Only through the teachings of a self proclaimed prophet could mankind think for itself? You are a misguided religious zealot my friend...why do you hate Jesus so?

Thank you for your response, i appreciate the time that you have taken to state your opinion.

Peace be upon you.

Go blow yourself up you ignorant rag head. As if a bunch of sand niggers worshipping a pedophile who proclaimed himself to be spoken to by God is believable.
Answer me this - If Islam is the religion of enlightenment, why are most Muslim countries 3rd world shitholes? Why are christian nations the most educated, the most civilised, the most peaceful loving places? JESUS thats why.
stop hating Jesus and throw down that Koran.
Here's a scenario for you.
QUESTION.
You are on the toilet. You have finished taking a great big sloppy sand nigger dump. You notice that you are out of toilet paper, but you have a copy of the bible, and a copy of the Koran . Which book do you use to wipe your ass with?
ANSWER
Trick question. You are a diaper-head, so you use neither! You stick your left hand in the crack of your ass and wipe up that hommus, goat meat and chick pea falafel slop with your bare hand - then later you have the nerve to tell good honest christians that somehow you are more civilised than those who use godly toilet paper to wipe their asses with.
Go argue with your shiite neighbours about the missing Imam - hopefully you'll have a fight to the death.
Make sure you get baptised beforehand though...you won't get into heaven otherwise...

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

such texts can be found if you visit a Mosque in your locality, or otherwise order them from an Islamic Society.

This says a lot! When you ask us for thing that the West has invented in the past 500 years, you don't have to visit a church or order them from a Christian society!

I don't have to go to a Shinto temple to see what the Japs have invented lately, I just have to look at my sony TV!

Just admit it: spread of Islam = permanent dark age.

The west's dark age ended when we kicked the Catholic church out of power. But where's the Muslim equivalent of Protestants? Where's your Martin Al-Luther nailing stuff to mosque doors?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

http://www.dailybubble.com/archives/...t-the-west.php

Either muslims draw like children, or these inventions are more than 500 years old. Or both.

Come on, "At least we're better than Catholics" is not a good enough excuse for tolerance of you people.

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

I knew if I talked about Palestine for long enough you'd melt down. You people are so easy to manipulate, no wonder nearly all your countries are dictatorships.



Correct, this is why we support Isreal. It's sort of like an injun reservation.



Thus, I can understand you people blowing up those subways in Britain, even though you did it about a century too late.



I don't know, I'd probably feel the same way all those Jews felt when they were kicked out of Arab countries!

You don't see us all angry at Britain for kicking our Puritan forefathers out of Britain, do you? You don't see us in squalor, blaming the British for everything, and killing anyone who we suspect is "pro-British", and teaching our kids to hate British people, because we're such poor opressed puritans.

You don't see Jews sitting around in slums, sending their children to throw stones at Germans, do you?

Germany and Japan were nothing but ashes when the Palestinians became refugees. Yet the krauts and Japs are now the most prosperious people in the world, while Palestinians are still whining.

And with Palestinians being treated so badly by other Arab nations, why do they always blame Isreal for this? We didn't blame the British for the injun wars. We just locked, loaded, and conquered the inujuns.



When the Iraqis allow Jews to move back into Bagdad, you'll have a leg to stand on here.





Yes I have: lots of 500 year old inventions and an export industry equal to finland.

Peace be upon you,

Thank you for your response. Ok, you support Isreal because there was anti-semetism in Britain. What about Dwight D Eisenhower's saying when he was to send the 101st Airborne into Little Rock "...You cannot change the hearts of men by force." Hence, taking over land by force was not a good way to do it, and we see the results today.

Also, does the Holocaust ring any bells, what about Emmett Till and African Americans in the Southern States of America, all those people persecuted in such ways in America. And the only time that Arab nations expelled Jews was when there was some threat to national security, and even then only those causing trouble were expelled. For instance, in Afghanistan there has always been a presence of Jews, and there is a Jewish tribe called the Afghans, my neighbour is one. When I first met him, he asked what my background was, and I said Afghan, he said Me too, and then explained. the point of this is that Jews are allowed to live in Muslim countries. Also, Palestinians are still affected negatively from being kicked off their lands, and the fact that this is a modern development, with people still alive from when it happened, adds to my argument. Its not something from centuries ago, that has no affect whatsoever on you now. I might add that Britain and America had a war (i.e. American War of independence) and although it wasn't largely religious, your nations fought and from the passage of time reconciled with each other. And no, Jews don't send their children to pelt Germans, instead they send their sons and daughters into Palestinian areas with tanks and assault rifles.. And Im hardly mealting down, Im simply rebutting your arguments, ones that you started and I am answering from my perspective.

Thanking you kindly for your responses and the time you have taken to debate with me.

Peace be upon you.