[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

here's a question for you rag head. What was the first EVER book made on a printing press?
Was it the Koran? No No No...
was it Mahommeds wedding guest list? No no no.....
Was it a court order accusing Mahommed of molesting a 9 year old girl? No no no.......
was it the directions to find the missing Imam? Like where's waldo? No no no...
It was the Bible! The christian Bible! The first book ever printed.
now tell me how advanced the Muslim culture is....

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Peace be upon you,

Brother, I think the question is what is the cause of the dark age in current Muslim society. I think you will find that the answer is external factors which I would mention include America, and even go as far back as British and French colonialism.

Name one thing that the Islamic world has suffered that has not been suffered by Germany, Japan, the Jews....Come to think of it, all of Europe was in ruins 50 years ago.

China utterly self-destructed 40 years ago in the cultural revolution, Korea literally has no building in that is more than 50 years old, so complete was the devestation of the Korean War...

Yet all these nations I have just named are now the most prosperous and peaceful places in the world right now, right after God's Chosen Country, of course.

How do you explain that?

By your logic, they should suffer dark ages for the next 500 years or so. From 1948 to 2007 South Korea has gone from riches to rags to riches while Palestinians have gone from rags to rags to rags. Why is that?

As I said, if you want the answer to your question about Islam's impact on the world, stop being selective, go to a Mosque and ask for a book on the matter

You came here with the promise that you could enlighten us on your religion, and now all you can say is "go to a mosque"?

By the way, you do know that if you say the same thing over and over and over, it becomes meaningless, right? You say "thank you" and "peace be upon you" non-stop, like a reflex. How can we belive you really mean it?

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

here's a question for you rag head. What was the first EVER book made on a printing press?
Was it the Koran? No No No...
was it Mahommeds wedding guest list? No no no.....
Was it a court order accusing Mahommed of molesting a 9 year old girl? No no no.......
was it the directions to find the missing Imam? Like where's waldo? No no no...
It was the Bible! The christian Bible! The first book ever printed.
now tell me how advanced the Muslim culture is....

Peace Be Upon You,

Brother, please refer to the earlier pages on Islamic Inventions.
Thanks for your question,

Peace Be Upon You

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Peace be upon you,

No brother, I was led to believe this from your previous quote in which you were quite explicit in your hate of me and Muslims. I am sorry if you are offended at the conclusions that I drew, but I did state that if I was wrong I apologise and ask you to correct me. Thanks for your response.

Peace be upon you.

Noone hates you friend. We want you to love JESUS as we do. This is where you stupid muslims trip up all the time. You say something like "Islam created this, Islam is responsible for that etc etc., and then when some honest christian corrects you, you accuse them of HATE? How typical. Until you learn to behave properly in civilised company, I suggest you go away and learn how to be a good loving christian, and return to us only then.

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Name one thing that the Islamic world has suffered that has not been suffered by Germany, Japan, the Jews....Come to think of it, all of Europe was in ruins 50 years ago.

China utterly self-destructed 40 years ago in the cultural revolution, Korea literally has no building in that is more than 50 years old, so complete was the devestation of the Korean War...

Yet all these nations I have just named are now the most prosperous and peaceful places in the world right now, right after God's Chosen Country, of course.

How do you explain that?

By your logic, they should suffer dark ages for the next 500 years or so. From 1948 to 2007 South Korea has gone from riches to rags to riches while Palestinians have gone from rags to rags to rags. Why is that?



You came here with the promise that you could enlighten us on your religion, and now all you can say is "go to a mosque"?

By the way, you do know that if you say the same thing over and over and over, it becomes meaningless, right? You say "thank you" and "peace be upon you" non-stop, like a reflex. How can we belive you really mean it?

Peace Be Upon You,

First and foremost, the fact that I am typing it out should indicate that I mean it. If it was meaningless I wouldn't say it. In Islam, we are required to wish peace upon those around us. It is kind of like in some Christian Mass Gatherings, when before Communion (I think) everyone wishes peace upon one another. What you say is true, the suffering that is endured by Muslims, indeed anywhere in the world, has already been experienced. This does not mean it should be dismissed as repetition and therefore irrelevant. And there is no way to enlighten anyone unless they are willing to join in constructive conversation, and to really consider the oppositions debate. I have read all of your arguments, and only Brother Seb I think it was gave a message of peace, by saying that he would pray for me. All the others simply abused me without knowing me, by use of stereotypes. With regard to the Palestinians, they have no support to become something. Many Palestinians are innovative, but in the end South Korea was supported by America, China had such a massive population that the Cultural Revolution was doomed to fail as the beliefs of the Chinese people are not pencil marks to be erased to simply. Instead of helping Palestine, the world had ostracized its people by placing them in separated bodies of land and taking away their nation from them. This is the fact. I keep saying peace be upon you and thank you because I am truly thankful that so many of you posted your opinions, but I only wish that there was more tolerance here. I am expressing my wish for dialogue and wish for co-operation with the use of these words. Thank you again for your input, I truly and honestly mean that with all my heart and soul.

Peace Be Upon You, and all the blessings of the almighty.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Before we end up going off topic:

1. NAME ONE THING MUSLIMS HAVE INVENTED IN THE PAST 500 YEARS.

2. SHOW ME A WAR GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE MUSLIMS.

3. SHOW ME A PLACE WHERE MUSLIMS ASSIMILATE AS WELL AS SAY, IRISH PEOPLE.

(I've never been to Austrialia, but I know enough about the ethnic friction there to know that they are not getting along as well as the Irish do. The Irish don't celebrate St. Patrick's day by raping protestant girls or beating a homeless protestant within an inch of his life, for example.)

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Noone hates you friend. We want you to love JESUS as we do. This is where you stupid muslims trip up all the time. You say something like "Islam created this, Islam is responsible for that etc etc., and then when some honest christian corrects you, you accuse them of HATE? How typical. Until you learn to behave properly in civilised company, I suggest you go away and learn how to be a good loving christian, and return to us only then.

Peace be upon you,

Brother, what about messages like "go blow your self up", and "rag head", "camel lover", "terrorist", and all the other inovative ways that people have insulted me? You yourself are guilty of this brother. And I do love Jesus Christ,peace be upon him. He is recognized as one of the greatest prophets by Islam. And I was asked to find these things that Islam had done, and I did so. Now you complain when I am responding to the request of your brothers? And what have I done or said that is not civil? Have I insulted one of you verbally? The answer is no, I have thanked you all and wished peace upon you and will continue to do so with all my heart. Thank you for all of your input.

Peace Be Upon You

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Before we end up going off topic:

1. NAME ONE THING MUSLIMS HAVE INVENTED IN THE PAST 500 YEARS.

2. SHOW ME A WAR GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE MUSLIMS.

3. SHOW ME A PLACE WHERE MUSLIMS ASSIMILATE AS WELL AS SAY, IRISH PEOPLE.

(I've never been to Austrialia, but I know enough about the ethnic friction there to know that they are not getting along as well as the Irish do. The Irish don't celebrate St. Patrick's day by raping protestant girls or beating a homeless protestant within an inch of his life, for example.)

Peace be upon you,

Brother I have already answered you with regards to an invention, but you kindly ignored my input and dismissed it as irrelevant, which is your right. I have already answered your question about wars, what about the conflict between the Communist Chinese Government and the Tibetan Budhists? What about the conflict in Burma (Myanmar)? And as for assimilation, the world is an example. But just as the Irish and Scottish in Australia had to go through a rough patch before they were accepted in Australia, Muslims have to get through this in the West overall. Most Muslims do assimilate very well, and are constructive in helping and building society. It is only a minority of people who turn to violence and hate. Thank you for your questions.

Peace Be Upon you

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Before we end up going off topic:

1. NAME ONE THING MUSLIMS HAVE INVENTED IN THE PAST 500 YEARS.

2. SHOW ME A WAR GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE MUSLIMS.

3. SHOW ME A PLACE WHERE MUSLIMS ASSIMILATE AS WELL AS SAY, IRISH PEOPLE.

(I've never been to Austrialia, but I know enough about the ethnic friction there to know that they are not getting along as well as the Irish do. The Irish don't celebrate St. Patrick's day by raping protestant girls or beating a homeless protestant within an inch of his life, for example.)

PS Brother Thurmond, I would also add that acceptance and tolerance is key to assimilation and until this happens there will continue to be a minority of hating intolerant people.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

What you say is true, the suffering that is endured by Muslims, indeed anywhere in the world, has already been experienced. This does not mean it should be dismissed as repetition and therefore irrelevant.

Why not? If they're a choise between "dismissing" things and "living in squalor while teaching your children to hate people who weren't even born when the injustice occured, as a way to distract them from your own failings", I would choose "dismissal" and so have all of the sucessful cultures of the world.

The Germans have "dismissed" our bombing of Dresden, and the Jews have "dismissed" the Germans who kicked them out of the homes and even outright murdered a few hundred of them. The Koreans have "dismissed" the utter destruction of their land, as have the Japanese.

I asked why Islam is in a dark age, and you have yet to answer me.

I have read all of your arguments, and only Brother Seb I think it was gave a message of peace, by saying that he would pray for me.

Of course I'm praying for you as I type this. You should have taken that for granted.

With regard to the Palestinians, they have no support to become something.

And if they got back their shanties and goat-hills they lost it would all be different? We'd be watching palestinian cartoons on TVs made in Palestine?

[DumbWood]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Why not? If they're a choise between "dismissing" things and "living in squalor while teaching your children to hate people who weren't even born when the injustice occured, as a way to distract them from your own failings", I would choose "dismissal" and so have all of the sucessful cultures of the world.

The Germans have "dismissed" our bombing of Dresden, and the Jews have "dismissed" the Germans who kicked them out of the homes and even outright murdered a few hundred of them. The Koreans have "dismissed" the utter destruction of their land, as have the Japanese.

I asked why Islam is in a dark age, and you have yet to answer me.



Of course I'm praying for you as I type this. You should have taken that for granted.



And if they got back their shanties and goat-hills they lost it would all be different? We'd be watching palestinian cartoons on TVs made in Palestine?

Peace Be Upon You,

Firstly Brother, my parents always taught me to love all people no matter what their faiths. Once, I was walking in my Islamic Clothes down the street and someone shouted abuse at me. I asked my dad why I should love him when he is shouting at me thus. He told me simply "Because you are muslim, that is your religion." And if you were truly praying for me than you would not be resorting to stereotypical comments and the like. I did answer your question about why Islam is in a dark age, you should go back a bit and read it. I wrote some a amount of words, and mentioned that it goes back mainly to British and French colonialism, which is also responsible for the poverty in Vietnam and other places, as well as the conflict. Colonialism inherently divides people, for divided people are easy to exploit and rule. Thanks for your comments, please read my full response earlier

Peace Be Upon you.

That is all I can post for tonight, it is quite late where I am, and whilst I would love to continue talking tonight , I must sleep so tomorrow I can study for my exams. Thanks for all your input.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Peace be upon you,

Brother I have already answered you with regards to an invention,

What part of IN THE PAST 500 YEARS don't you understand? I don't want a link to some goose-chase, just name an invention!

Zippers? - Nope! GPS? Nope! The Printing press? Nope!

what about the conflict between the Communist Chinese Government and the Tibetan Budhists? What about the conflict in Burma (Myanmar)?

Okay, but those are really more like "Buddhist hunts" than wars. Just because we disagree with the violence of Islam doesn't mean we approve of the pacifism of Buddhism. I mean, those squeamish worm-herders are just asking for trouble.

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

Peace be upon you,

But just as the Irish and Scottish in Australia had to go through a rough patch before they were accepted in Australia,
Peace Be Upon you

Irish and scottish didnt go through a rough patch you idiot. Everyone went through a rough patch - it was an infant colony you retard, ...THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL COLONISTS - LIKE THE ENGLISH. EVERYONE SUFFERED. It was a prison colony! You know so little of the origins of the country you claim to be a citizen of. I suggest to you friend, that you don't consider yourself "australian' at all. You consider yourself Muslim, then lebanese then Australian - in that order.
You muslims who waltz in after all the hard work has been done, and and accuse the people who built the bloody place of being intolerant racists. Name something the Muslim community has done to benefit all Australians? and don't say 'build mosques". Why are muslims the worst behaved people in Australia? Because of your 'religion'?

[Father Thomas Martin]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

You know, I might not be the more pious or devout of the priests...But at least I can be nice to people.

Whereas you Landover heretics spend your life on your knees and yet still have hatred towards your fellow man...

[Brother Seb]

Re: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - The brother religions

No, they didn't even invent suicide bombing.

Credit for this goes to the Japanese, who were the first to put the idea into practise, though if you watch the 1943 film "Bataan" you will see Americans also toyed with the idea. Also, the Germans planned to use kamazazies VS D-day but eventually decided against it.

As for highjacking airplanes, the first highjackings where actually done by Tiawan VS China, with support from the CIA. Later we used the same tactic against Cuba, and after that, the rest is history.

IEDs are just command-detonated bombs, which are older than guns. They were first used to blast open castle walls, before cannons were invented.

Ah yes, but I don't believe any of these were people with bombs strapped to themselves to detonate on buses full of women and children.