[Brother Temperance]

Re: Question

Hmm. Convincing. However, the books in the Bible were chosen whilst some were ruled out. So those choosing them could easily have taken ones with no contradictions to each other. And besides, the "Heretic traps" you've collected ARE contradictions.

Looks like we've caught a heretic in God's Heretic Traps.

KJV is rubbish. Anyone that says differently doesn't know a thing about scholarly work.

And anyone who denies that the KJV 1611 is the Holy Word of God doesn't know a thing about avoiding hellfire.

In fact, something these guys here use a lot is "If you aren't with me, you're against me". I can't remember in which book it was, but strangely, I found somewhere in the Bible a chapter where Jesus says "If you aren't against me, you're with me"... And if THAT isn't a contradiction, I don't know what is...

Evidently you don't know what a contradiction is. If Jesus said "If you are with me, you're against me", that'd be a contradiction. When He said "If you aren't with me, you're against me", He was just pre-emptively quoting George Bush. Nothing wrong with that.

Oh, right. Again one of these. "The Bible is true because the Bible says so and the Bible is the word of God" and so on, yada yada, I know this. The only person that can make me believe that is God. No human can make me trust a product of humans, because humans are not perfect like God.

We're not trying to make you trust a product of humans, you doomed Finnish orc! We just want you to trust the word of God!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Question

I haven't read it, true. But I've read enough to tell that it is full of contradictions and I know it's written by humans. Truth or not, I can't trust it yet.

Ei näin.

Friend,

There are no contradictions in The Bible. What a silly idea. Just show us one contradiction.

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

God dwells in light
Tim 6:16

God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19

God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25

God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

There you go, contradictions.
Please, do not mock my nationality, I don't mock yours. In fact I'm not mocking you at all. And by the way, the contradiction is that Jesus says BOTH things, that if you're not with him, you're against him, AND that if you're not against him, youre with him. Sorry.

And you said it, *YOU* want me to believe in God's word, but YOU are humans. And humans can't make me believe that something written by men is the word of God.

Ei näin.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Question

And by the way, the contradiction is that Jesus says BOTH things, that if you're not with him, you're against him, AND that if you're not against him, youre with him. Sorry.

What is wrong with you, you abominable little Finndevil? That's not a contradiction, that's logic! Let's try re-phrasing this:
"If you are not a Christian, you are hellbound."
"If you are not hellbound, you are a Christian."
Are you seriously claiming that's a contraction?

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

Yes, it does make sense when you put it that way. But you use it differently. The fact that someone is not a christian doesn't mean their hellbound, UNLESS they're against Jesus. That's my point. When you say it, it means that if you're not a christian, you're a satanist. But I think I should be somehow against Jesus to be his enemy. And since there are also religions that tolerate other gods and aren't against them, then saying "If you're not against me, you're with me" means that they, too, are on the side of God. And again, I ask you not to hurl insults because they are untrue and have no effect on me, you are wasting your time when insult me.

Ei näin.
Prayers for you all.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Question

Yes, it does make sense when you put it that way. But you use it differently. The fact that someone is not a christian doesn't mean their hellbound, UNLESS they're against Jesus.

No. All have sinned. The punishment for sin is Hell. The only way to truly repent of your sins is to accept Christ. This is hardly controversial stuff we're discussing here.

That's my point. When you say it, it means that if you're not a christian, you're a satanist. But I think I should be somehow against Jesus to be his enemy.

I think you should be with Jesus, and not be His enemy. Life's a lot easier that way.

And since there are also religions that tolerate other gods and aren't against them, then saying "If you're not against me, you're with me" means that they, too, are on the side of God.

No, they're against God, meaning that, they, um, are against God. What's so difficult to understand about that?

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

No, what's so difficult to understand when someone says that they aren't against God? So, like, if I say I'm not against God, it means that I, in fact AM against God?! Strange logic you have. And I never said I'm Jesus' enemy, you must've misread that. But you have a point that all have sinned. But then again, if, when one isn't against Jesus, he is on his side, then how can you go to hell?! That's my point. The Bible is controversial. This is because it was written by humans. Men's logic is flawed. That is why the Bible is controversial.

Ei näin.
Prayers for you all.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Question

No, what's so difficult to understand when someone says that they aren't against God? So, like, if I say I'm not against God, it means that I, in fact AM against God?!

No, if you are not a Born Again True Christian™, you are against God, no matter what you claim.

Strange logic you have. And I never said I'm Jesus' enemy, you must've misread that. But you have a point that all have sinned. But then again, if, when one isn't against Jesus, he is on his side, then how can you go to hell?!

Because to sin is to be against Jesus. What's the matter, did a Swede burn down your school or something?

That's my point. The Bible is controversial. This is because it was written by humans. Men's logic is flawed. That is why the Bible is controversial.

No, the Bible is controversial because Satan turns people against God's message. That is all.

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

No, if you are not a Born Again True Christian™, you are against God, no matter what you claim. Because to sin is to be against Jesus. What's the matter, did a Swede burn down your school or something?

No, the Bible is controversial because Satan turns people against God's message. That is all.

Hm. So, how can I trust YOU aren't one of satan's lies? And, if everyone has sinned and you go to hell for that, doesn't that mean that we ALL(including you, because we all suffer from the sin of Adam and Eve) go to hell, no matter what? I wouldn't be talking about school at all if I were a member of an American cult. And by the way:Swedes are homersexuals.

Ei näin.
Prayers for you all.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Question

Hm. So, how can I trust YOU aren't one of satan's lies?

Don't trust me, trust God's word. Praise!

And, if everyone has sinned and you go to hell for that, doesn't that mean that we ALL(including you, because we all suffer from the sin of Adam and Eve) go to hell, no matter what?

No, because to be Born Again in the Blood of Christ is to be washed clean of all sins.

I wouldn't be talking about school at all if I were a member of an American cult.

Who said anything about cults?

And by the way:Swedes are homersexuals.

Well, I'm glad that we've finally found some common ground, at least.

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

Don't trust me, trust God's word. Praise!

Thank you. I will yet need to find the word of God. Time will show. And as I said before, if I won't during my life believe in God's word(assuming it's the Bible), God does not want me to. But I guess this debate is useless since it's about faith and those things can't be solved. Oh, please excuse me, I meant church. But, who knows, maybe I will one day be singing with you in His holy name in Heaven, I will wait for that day.

Ei näin.
Prayers to you all. I hope you will pray for my soul, too.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Question

But I shall wait, because If God wants me to trust the Bible, He will tell me to.

Today is your lucky day, friend!

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

God dwells in light
Tim 6:16

God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

God dwells everywhere. This is no contradiction.

God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19

You are taking Judges 1:19 out of context. Judah lacked faith, and that's why God allowed him to be beaten.

God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

Who are you to judge God's actions? God's ways are not man's ways.

God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25

God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

Are you even reading these verses, or are you just copy-pasting from some atheist website?

God created everything, including evil, and none of the verses you posted say otherwise.

And by the way, the contradiction is that Jesus says BOTH things, that if you're not with him, you're against him, AND that if you're not against him, youre with him.

How is that a contradiction? You are either with Him or against Him. I know where I stand.

I will yet need to find the word of God

Here you go, friend.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Question

God dwells in light
Tim 6:16

God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

God can dwell everywhere He chooses. In light and darkness both.
He has dwelled among the children of Israel (Numbers 35:34)
He has dwelled in tents and tabernacles. (2 Samuel 7:5-6)

God is a living being, He moves around. He can dwell wherever He wishes.
There is no contradiction, only a heretic trap, and you, like the heretic you are:
Walked straight into it.

It appears to be a contradiction to the unsaved who know not the Bible, and that's why you fell for it.

God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19

It was Judah who couldn't drive them out.

God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

Unjust and partial according to who'm? YOU.
And since when could any man judge God? Never could, never will.
There is no contradiction, God decides what's right and wrong, what's fair and not.

But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?
Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Romans 3:5-6

And so you've been trapped again, heretic:
By commiting the sin of attempting to judge God Himself.

Evil men understand not judgment:
But they that seek the LORD understand all things.
Proverbs 28:5

For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us.
Isaiah 33:22

God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25

God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

1 Corinthians 14:33 says God is not the author of CONFUSION, not evil.
And that means that God does not fool and confuse His followers, for the verse speaks about prophecy, which you would have seen if you bothered to read the previous verses.

Deuteronomy 32:4 says that God is the rock, His works are perfect, all His ways are judgement, that He is a God of truth and without iniquity, that He is just and right.

Where does it say that He doesn't create evil?
YOU interpret that into the verse because YOU don't think a perfect and just God would create evil.
Once again you are judging God after your own opinions of what's perfect and just.
It's not for you to decide, but for God.

James 1:13-14 says, literally:
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:
For God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Where does it say God doesn't create evil? IT DOESN'T.
It says that when you're tempted (to sin), don't blame God, blame yourself for you only have your own sinful lust to blame.

God created the evil you may go whoring after instead of following Him.
But He isn't responsible for the fact that you're tempted to go whoring after it instead of following Him.
That's because Eve and Adam ate the forbidden fruit, even though God had commanded them NOT TO.

So.. No contradiction here either.
So far - Zero contradictions.

Now, listen up fool.
We know that there are no contradictions in the heretic traps whatsoever, after all, we posted them.
And we posted them, so God may be glorified and you God-mockers put to shame, by exposing your foolishness and your lack of knowledge in the Word of God. That everyone could see you know nothing of the Bible, nor of God, that you don't reject Him out of so-called "reason" but reject Him out of your own foolish pride.

In short: You've been offically trapped, you stupid heretic.
Repent of your wickedness and pride, and accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior!
TURN OR BURN!

[RautaKansleri]

Re: Question

Sorry, I didn't find them from any atheist website. I found them on YOUR website.

Ei näin.
Prayers to you all.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Question

Sorry, I didn't find them from any atheist website. I found them on YOUR website.

Ei näin.
Prayers to you all.

The point of that thread you took those verses from is to unmask false Christians. A false Christian will read those verses and see contradiction, a TRUE Christian doesn't. You sill have yet shown us a contradiction in The Bible.