Questions for those who frequent this forum

[biggyph00l]

Hello, let me quickly introduce myself:

My name is Jake, and I am a 24 year old Christan. I have been lurking on your forums for sometime, and honestly, I have to say I am confused and a little dismayed. I fear I have more questions that I can or should reasonably ask, so I have distilled it down to a few. I would like to preface my questions by saying that I understand not everyone on here believe what I'm insinuating you believe, however, I've found a hefty majority on here do. With that out of the way, a few questions:

1) Why is it that most of you have issues with not only evolution, but almost all science in general. I've seen threads devoted to explaining how the earth is flat, and the center of the universe, to those who would say gravity itself does not exist. Considering the overwhelming evidence provided by the secular, and Christian community (in some cases), why do you maintain these stances?

2) Why is the majority of your speaking of Atheists, Agnostics, or those of other religions, negative and aggressive? I by no means am insinuating that we as Christians should not be making it a priority to seek out and share the good news with the lost, but do you believe this method to be successful in bringing in converts?

3) A more personal question, more for my own personal curiosity. When was the last time you engaged with, and helped convert, a non Christian? Please, refrain from answering with your children. While I'm certain reaching children is very important, my curiosity is mostly aimed towards those outside of your family, or at least not immediate.

Thank you for answering,
Jake

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Questions for those who frequent this forum

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .


Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[biggyph00l]

Re: Questions for those who frequent this forum

Pastor Ezekiel,

First off, I'm astonished you were able to read my post, and reply to it in less than one minutes time. I have to wonder if you just copied and pasted your response.

I recognize that this may not be the most idle place to post this, and hope that a moderator will move my thread to a more appropriate section, but I noticed there were no forums that matched exactly what I was looking for. I figured as my views may be considered odd and out of place by many here, this thread may be best for me.

Lastly, I am not here to flame. I have very serious, very thoughtful (I think) questions I'd really enjoy having answered.

Thank you for the reply, thought. However, I am a Christian, and would appreciate it if you didn't imply I wasn't in the future.

Thanks,
Jake

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Questions for those who frequent this forum

If you'd like to find out more about Landover Baptist Church, please read THIS thread created especially for new posters.

If you have a question, use the "search" function before posting it. Most likely it is being discussed somewhere on this Godly forum. Please don't waste God's precious bandwidth.

You will keep a respectful tongue in your head whenever addressing your betters, which includes all True Christians™. Failure to do so, or any attempt at inciting debate or mockery of God's Divine Plan, can and will result in the suspension of your posting privileges.

Your rights on this forum are listed HERE. If you feel that any of these rights have been violated, please don't hesitate to contact a Pastor at once.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Questions for those who frequent this forum

Hello, let me quickly introduce myself:

My name is Jake, and I am a 24 year old Christan. I have been lurking on your forums for sometime, and honestly, I have to say I am confused and a little dismayed. I fear I have more questions that I can or should reasonably ask, so I have distilled it down to a few. I would like to preface my questions by saying that I understand not everyone on here believe what I'm insinuating you believe, however, I've found a hefty majority on here do. With that out of the way, a few questions:

1) Why is it that most of you have issues with not only evolution, but almost all science in general. I've seen threads devoted to explaining how the earth is flat, and the center of the universe, to those who would say gravity itself does not exist. Considering the overwhelming evidence provided by the secular, and Christian community (in some cases), why do you maintain these stances?

We accept any science that does not go against what the Bible tells us. The Bible is the word of God, the Bible is 100% accurate, and if anything goes against the Bible then it is wrong. Unfortunately most people who come on here do not understand that most of the things they present are just theories, in fact they don't understand the subject more than they may have watched a documentary one night when they had insomnia.

2) Why is the majority of your speaking of Atheists, Agnostics, or those of other religions, negative and aggressive? I by no means am insinuating that we as Christians should not be making it a priority to seek out and share the good news with the lost, but do you believe this method to be successful in bringing in converts?

If you lurked long enough you would have noticed that we do have a couple of atheists running around, we even have a pet spaghetti worshiper kicking around somewhere. However, considering that we are under constant attack I will admit that we get short tempered. We have a big sign right at the top saying "unsaved unwelcome". This is a privately owned board here to worship and discuss the word of God. Yet a hundred times a day we get the "durp, iz a ghey anz u cnt do nutin bout it, lulz". I also have a feeling that you're not seeing what goes on behind the scenes. The hate mail sent to our Godly pastors, the DOF tracking them down to 4-Chan, it just gets tiring. Also most are not here to learn about Jesus and they have no interest in converting. No, they're coming to our site to poke sticks at "dem dum inbred kristens". I have two bachelors degrees, my husband has an MBA and a B.Eng. but because we're Christians, they come here to call us retarded. Oh, and both of us can trace our family histories to the 1700's, and there is no "inbreeding".

3) A more personal question, more for my own personal curiosity. When was the last time you engaged with, and helped convert, a non Christian? Please, refrain from answering with your children. While I'm certain reaching children is very important, my curiosity is mostly aimed towards those outside of your family, or at least not immediate.

Well currently I have been working with my kennel manager and he's working hard at it. He even comes into the house for Bible study time with the boys.

[aftershockpivot]

Re: Questions for those who frequent this forum

Science is the devil and if you truly believe in evolution your no better than those Muslims.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Questions for those who frequent this forum

Pastor Ezekiel,

First off, I'm astonished you were able to read my post, and reply to it in less than one minutes time. I have to wonder if you just copied and pasted your response.

Yes that is his standard welcome. The pastor is a busy man and we're being bombarded by teenage trolls at the moment.

I recognize that this may not be the most idle place to post this, and hope that a moderator will move my thread to a more appropriate section, but I noticed there were no forums that matched exactly what I was looking for. I figured as my views may be considered odd and out of place by many here, this thread may be best for me.

Well the introduction forum would have been a good place. In fact why don't you tell us something about yourself? Who you are, what church you go to, how you came to find Jesus.

Lastly, I am not here to flame. I have very serious, very thoughtful (I think) questions I'd really enjoy having answered.

Thank you for the reply, thought. However, I am a Christian, and would appreciate it if you didn't imply I wasn't in the future.

Thanks,
Jake

Well I tried to answer your questions as best I could, but if you want to wait for a pastor, I'm not sure how long it will be.

[biggyph00l]

Re: Questions for those who frequent this forum

BelieverInGod,

I want to thank you for that reply. I found it very thoughtful and has certainly helped me understand those here in this forum a little better. I was unaware of the hate mail your pastor receives, and I'm sorry for what 4Chan has done when it comes to trolling your boards.

Thanks again for your reply!
Jake

[Jedediah]

Re: Questions for those who frequent this forum

1) Why is it that most of you have issues with not only evolution, but almost all science in general. I've seen threads devoted to explaining how the earth is flat, and the center of the universe, to those who would say gravity itself does not exist. Considering the overwhelming evidence provided by the secular, and Christian community (in some cases), why do you maintain these stances?

Why would we consider this so-called "evidence" provided by the sickular elites? That you consider their "evidence" to be "overwhelming" is only evidence of the low regard in which you hold God's Word.

II Corinthians 6:14-17
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

And who are these so-called "Christians" who you claim to provide "overwhelming evidence" of your heretical "science"? They are certainly not Bible-Believers, and the LORD is very clear about the veracity of His Word. To doubt the answers provided in the Bible is to turn your back on God.

Matthew 4:4
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2) Why is the majority of your speaking of Atheists, Agnostics, or those of other religions, negative and aggressive? I by no means am insinuating that we as Christians should not be making it a priority to seek out and share the good news with the lost, but do you believe this method to be successful in bringing in converts?

Son, have you read the Bible? Do you just call yourself a Christian to impress other people?

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Jude 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Mark 6:11
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Romans 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

I John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

We share our love for the unsaved by rebuking them with righteous rebukes, as we are told in the Bible that you have apparently not read.

II Timothy 4:2-5
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Our righteous rebukes are proof of our True Christian Love™.

Hebrews 12:5-8
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

3) A more personal question, more for my own personal curiosity. When was the last time you engaged with, and helped convert, a non Christian? Please, refrain from answering with your children. While I'm certain reaching children is very important, my curiosity is mostly aimed towards those outside of your family, or at least not immediate.

I witness to the unsaved on a daily basis, both here on our Godly forums and when I go among the unsaved trash in Des Moines. This afternoon, I was at a Barnes and Noble bookstore when I saw a mother buying her son the latest Harry Potter book. I spent at least a half hour witnessing to both of them, quoting Scripture, and telling them why it is wicked to even fantasize about sorcery and witchcraft. I described hell to them in graphic detail, and I told them that about the Good News.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I asked them if they would like to join me in Heaven. We sat down together and prayed, and they both accepted Jesus Christ as their personal LORD and Savior. They are coming to services this Sunday where they will both be Baptized and become True Christians™.

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

This is not an uncommon occurrence, as I take my Divine Mission to evangelize the world deadly seriously. There has been much rejoicing in Heaven because of the Good Works of the True Christians™ at Landover Baptist.

Luke 15:10
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

So now let me ask you a question, friend. What have you done for the Glory of His Kingdom recently? That is, aside from attempt to sow discord among Jesus' Elect?

[biggyph00l]

Re: Questions for those who frequent this forum

Jedediah,

Thank you for such a detailed and well composed reply! To address your questions and comments...:

"Why would we consider this so-called "evidence" provided by the sickular elites? That you consider their "evidence" to be "overwhelming" is only evidence of the low regard in which you hold God's Word.
II Corinthians 6:14-17 [citation of passage removed]"
I believe you are taking this verse out of context. I may very well be wrong, but I believe Paul is speaking on marriage here. The greek word for yoked, heterozygeō, is the same word used in Leviticus 19:19 to state two different animals should not mate together

"And who are these so-called "Christians" who you claim to provide "overwhelming evidence" of your heretical "science"? They are certainly not Bible-Believers, and the LORD is very clear about the veracity of His Word. To doubt the answers provided in the Bible is to turn your back on God."
I believe one of the most commonly accepted rules in this forum is that all statements of fact must be backed by the bible. Would you please tell me where in the bible God implies that science and his word can not coincide together?

I have personally found strong evidence to support things such as gravity, and the earth being round. My goal in this thread, however, is not to debate the validity of those specific claim, though. If you are interested in me citing my reasons why, I'll certainly do so.

"Son, have you read the Bible? Do you just call yourself a Christian to impress other people?"
Sir, I believe that calling oneself a Christian is hardly going to impress other. In fact, Jesus promises those who follow him will be persecuted.

"We share our love for the unsaved by rebuking them with righteous rebukes, as we are told in the Bible that you have apparently not read. ... Our righteous rebukes are proof of our True Christian Love™."
How do you justify all the verses you posted, and the statements you made, with the following:
MATTHEW 22:36-40
JOHN 13:35
GALATIANS 2:11-12

More over, I wonder how you can choose to embrace the one another passages based on rebuking and reproving others, yet you seem to disregard encouraging, loving, building up, and edifying others. Should these not also be priorities when dealing with those who do not believe?

"We sat down together and prayed, and they both accepted Jesus Christ as their personal LORD and Savior."
This is great news! Thank you for answering that question.

"So now let me ask you a question, friend. What have you done for the Glory of His Kingdom recently? That is, aside from attempt to sow discord among Jesus' Elect?"
To answer your question, I am actively serving the community at my churches local free clinic, I serve in it's children ministry as well. I have active and thriving out reach, lead a bible study at my home church, and disciple 4 other men I, through Christ, help bring to saving grace.

Could you please explain why you are insinuating I am attempting to sow discord among God's elect?

Thanks!
Jake

[Jedediah]

Re: Questions for those who frequent this forum

I believe you are taking this verse out of context. I may very well be wrong, but I believe Paul is speaking on marriage here. The greek word for yoked, heterozygeō, is the same word used in Leviticus 19:19 to state two different animals should not mate together

I am reading the words on the page. It is not our place to interpret God's words (II Peter 1:20) but to take them at face value and obey them to the letter (Deuteronomy 12:32). If you need more Scripture to get this fundamental message that we are to isolate ourselves from unsaved trash across, consider the following verses.

Leviticus 10:10
And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

Matthew 8:21-22
And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

I Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

I Corinthians 10:20
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

II Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

II John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

I believe one of the most commonly accepted rules in this forum is that all statements of fact must be backed by the bible. Would you please tell me where in the bible God implies that science and his word can not coincide together?

I Timothy 6:20-21
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

I have personally found strong evidence to support things such as gravity, and the earth being round. My goal in this thread, however, is not to debate the validity of those specific claim, though. If you are interested in me citing my reasons why, I'll certainly do so.

Can you back any of this up with Scripture?

How do you justify all the verses you posted, and the statements you made, with the following:
MATTHEW 22:36-40
JOHN 13:35
GALATIANS 2:11-12

Are you saying that God's Word must be justified? What are you trying to say here - that the Bible is internally contradictory? I'll assume that was just a poor choice of words on your part and address the verses you cited.

Matthew 22:36-40
Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

John 13:35
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Galatians 2:11-12
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

The only time it is acceptable to mix with unsaved company is when we have the upper hand, for the purpose of witnessing in accordance with Matthew 5:13, etc. Outside of sharing our witness, there is nothing to be gained from mingling with unsaved trash.

Secularists have a hard time understanding the concept of True Christian Love™ due to the distance they place between themselves and their Creator. If I didn't love homosexuals, dope smokers, Jews, Wickans, idolators, and fornicators, I would just ignore them and rest assured of my own Salvation™. The most hateful thing I could think to do to such a one is to condone, or even encourage, their wanton behavior and Godless lifestyle.

Tell me, friend, if your house was on fire while you sleep inside, what would be the loving thing for me to do? Would it be loving for me to just walk by and say to myself, "Heh, my house isn't on fire. Not my problem!"? Would it be loving for me to gently tap on the door and give up when no one answers? In the first case, that is hateful; in the second, it is indifferent.

The loving thing for me to do would be to smash out your bedroom and yell at the top of my lungs, "WAKE UP! YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE! WAKE UP, OR YOU ARE GOING TO BURN!"

Likewise, it is the loving thing to do when we rebuke unsaved trash with THUNDEROUS REBUKES!

More over, I wonder how you can choose to embrace the one another passages based on rebuking and reproving others, yet you seem to disregard encouraging, loving, building up, and edifying others. Should these not also be priorities when dealing with those who do not believe?

How have I disregarded anything in Scripture? As I have already explained, it is extremely hateful to tolerate the sin in others. As Hebrews 12:5-8 (cited previously) explains, it is precisely by scourging and chastening that we share our True Christian Love™.

Are you suggesting that we ignore the Bible and avoid reproving and rebuking wickedness when we see it?

The fact of the matter is that not many people are going to make it to Heaven. We share the Good News every day, but it's a sad fact that many are not going to be receptive to His Word.

Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

God has made it so, and who are we to question His Judgment?

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

To answer your question, I am actively serving the community at my churches local free clinic, I serve in it's children ministry as well. I have active and thriving out reach, lead a bible study at my home church, and disciple 4 other men I, through Christ, help bring to saving grace.

That is wonderful. I hope you will take what we have discussed to heart and incorporate more Biblical guidance into your witnessing. All too often, so-called "Christians" try to make Jesus out to be some marihuana-smoking socialist hippy.

Matthew 10:34-36
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Could you please explain why you are insinuating I am attempting to sow discord among God's elect?

It had to do with the tone of your original post. I apologize if I misinterpreted that. Similarly, I hope that my responses have not come across as overly curt. It's a bit of a predisposition that many of us here have developed due to the constant bombardment from trolls.

I will leave you with the following verse of Scripture.

I Corinthians 1:17-20
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

YIC